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bunt_q
09-22-2011, 06:22 PM
Earlier you expressed fears that CC would be the cellar-dweller in the NCHC, and that attendance might fall to the point where there weren't a ton of fans going to games. Obviously this would decrease revenue.

Well, if it gets to a point where they have to fold. Screw 'em.

Now you're saying that CC shouldn't fold because DU and CC need each other. Which is it? Screw the schools that can't support hockey, or schools should help each other out?

Oh, I definitely have that fear of cellar-dwelling and 500 fans in the stands... yikes. But CC already runs its program in the red. They can support it, and they do support it, they just don't expect it to make a lot of money. The schools I think might fold are the ones that both can't make money and can't support it otherwise. Nobody ever said a program had to be a revenue-generator to survive, universities have lots of ways to bring in revenue to support things they deem important. In that sense, one-sport schools almost have an advantage. Bowling Green doesn't need hockey as the school's poster child, for marketing, etc. That will never be the case for CC (or DU, even DU in the WAC).

Like I said in the other thread:

CC will have a program as long as they decide to subsidize it, and it will fold the day they decide not to. It's not a moneymaker. I am sure the NCHC conference agreement will be a little more concrete than a vague reference to a "commitment to hockey" - they will force CC to memorialize it.

ronmexico
09-22-2011, 07:54 PM
CC will have a program as long as they decide to subsidize it, and it will fold the day they decide not to. It's not a moneymaker. I am sure the NCHC conference agreement will be a little more concrete than a vague reference to a "commitment to hockey" - they will force CC to memorialize it.

I'm not sure this is true. I could be wrong but I'm under the impression that CC doesn't loose money on hockey. I couldn't find anything to back this up but I'm almost certain I've seen a list of profitable programs posted here. Does anyone have it? I think it was a few years ago so things could have changed.

I think it was posted by a Wisconsin fan?

bunt_q
09-22-2011, 08:22 PM
I'm not sure this is true. I could be wrong but I'm under the impression that CC doesn't loose money on hockey. I couldn't find anything to back this up but I'm almost certain I've seen a list of profitable programs posted here. Does anyone have it? I think it was a few years ago so things could have changed.

I think it was posted by a Wisconsin fan?

Don't know what was posted here. A lot of it depends, I suppose, on how you define "making" or losing" money. I don't want to get into too much detail, not on here. But going over just what's available in the public annual report (which isn't much) on the revenue side, I think you can get a good idea (expenses are, naturally not included). Most recent is 2009-2010.

Hockey generated $1.41 million in ticket revenue.
Center Ice Club and Tiger Pride generated another ~$180k.
Gifts (mostly meals and hotels), sponsorships, and licenses another $800k or so (we'll count free stuff as revenues, just for accounting purposes).

That's pretty much it. Except for one great big line item - $350k + endowment allocations to the athletics department.

Not sure if we should count that as revenue or not. You could also view that as a subsidy. But either way, that number can go up and down as much as necessary, as long as the college is committed.

I think it's interesting that non-ticket revenue - community support in the form of clubs, gifts, sponsorships, and endowment contributions - is fully half the annual revenue the program sees. That sort of flies in the face of a lot of the assumptions tossed around on here.

ecbrevik
09-22-2011, 08:26 PM
Hey, I've been wondering who would be the cellar dwellers. Now we know! :D

In all seriousness, it never made any sense to me to put together the NCHC without SCSU. They are the closest thing the NCHC can get to a presence in the Twin Cities, and they provide a foothold in the central Minnesota recruiting region. Plus, they've been every bit as competative over the last few years as a school like UMD and more competative then WMU.

Oh, and for those SCSU fans who are so happy about Sioux fans being upset over this, I'm not the least bit upset over it! :p I happen to think it was a very logical move and welcome SCSU to the conference.

The North Dakota Fighting Doofuses? That would be fun, but I doubt they'll go that route. What is the plural of doofus? Doofi? Doofen?
Nah, we couldn't use that one. I'm sure the NCAA would decide it was hostile and abusive to someone! :rolleyes: ;)

5minutemajor
09-22-2011, 08:54 PM
What are everyone's thoughts on how much more realignment will happen? Obviously the CCHA is done with only two teams remaining. What will Notre Dame do?

ronmexico
09-22-2011, 08:58 PM
What are everyone's thoughts on how much more realignment will happen? Obviously the CCHA is done with only two teams remaining. What will Notre Dame do?

I was going to post something but don't want to get a suspension or banned.

Siouxfaninseattle
09-22-2011, 09:01 PM
Good. Then that makes it all worth it. What's your new school nickname going to be, doofus? :)

It is too bad the nickname is going to change - the righteous indignation it would cause the jan brady hypocrites would make it worth keeping.


Well, considering we aren't going to finish last every year(or probably any year), we can ignore that question. When was the last time SCSU finished last in the WCHA, which is a tougher conference?



Good point - you did manage to finish well ahead of MTU.

PenaltyBoxBeast
09-22-2011, 09:03 PM
What are everyone's thoughts on how much more realignment will happen? Obviously the CCHA is done with only two teams remaining. What will Notre Dame do?

The newest reports that I just read said that ND will join the NCHC next week along with Bowling Green.

MUhawks628
09-22-2011, 09:04 PM
The newest reports that I just read said that ND will join the NCHC next week along with Bowling Green.

Link? Just out of curiosity.

ronmexico
09-22-2011, 09:11 PM
Don't know what was posted here. A lot of it depends, I suppose, on how you define "making" or losing" money. I don't want to get into too much detail, not on here. But going over just what's available in the public annual report (which isn't much) on the revenue side, I think you can get a good idea (expenses are, naturally not included). Most recent is 2009-2010.

Hockey generated $1.41 million in ticket revenue.
Center Ice Club and Tiger Pride generated another ~$180k.
Gifts (mostly meals and hotels), sponsorships, and licenses another $800k or so (we'll count free stuff as revenues, just for accounting purposes).

That's pretty much it. Except for one great big line item - $350k + endowment allocations to the athletics department.

Not sure if we should count that as revenue or not. You could also view that as a subsidy. But either way, that number can go up and down as much as necessary, as long as the college is committed.

I think it's interesting that non-ticket revenue - community support in the form of clubs, gifts, sponsorships, and endowment contributions - is fully half the annual revenue the program sees. That sort of flies in the face of a lot of the assumptions tossed around on here.

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bunt_q
09-22-2011, 09:18 PM
The newest reports that I just read said that ND will join the NCHC next week along with Bowling Green.

Interesting. Not sure what to think about Bowling Green as a potential 10th. Bigger-name school. Smaller-time program. Tough. Thoughts?

scsutommyboy
09-22-2011, 10:27 PM
Interesting. Not sure what to think about Bowling Green as a potential 10th. Bigger-name school. Smaller-time program. Tough. Thoughts?

Every conference needs a bottom feeder...

Hammy
09-22-2011, 10:52 PM
Every conference needs a bottom feeder...

That's what Western and SCSU will be.

SiouxFanatic
09-23-2011, 01:02 AM
Link? Just out of curiosity.
I think he got it from the CC Freedom Blog, which is operated by CC's beat writer.


Notre Dame has an open invite from the NCHC and media reports have said the Irish will join sometime next week. The extension also raises the possibility that BGSU could approach the NCHC about becoming the league’s 10th team.

Link: http://cchockey.freedomblogging.com/2011/09/22/st-cloud-state-wmu-will-join-nchc/24813/

In the actual news article Mr. Paisley wrote, he somewhat rephrases what he said in regards to Notre Dame:


WMU was waiting on a decision from Notre Dame, which is announcing its decision to join the NCHC or the Big Ten in all sports sometime next week.

Link: http://www.gazette.com/articles/earl-125369-western-nchc.html#ixzz1YkjKMelj

If you ask me, he's making assumptions and you know what they say about making assumptions....

bronconick
09-23-2011, 09:45 AM
Is there a "media report" outside of a blog?

If that's a legitimate source, Missouri would have been part of the Big Ten, SEC, Pac-16 and ACC in the last year.

gopher wes
09-23-2011, 09:59 AM
Your team has its own problems, worry about theirs, not ours.
They can't do it. It will never happen. They have green gay fudgepacker fan syndrome.

TheEagle
09-23-2011, 10:32 AM
They can't do it. It will never happen. They have green gay fudgepacker fan syndrome.

So, Viking fans think Packer fans are obsessed with the Vikings? The inferiority complex emanating from Minnesota regarding the Packers is epic.

UMD21
09-23-2011, 10:40 AM
well idk what all the *****ing is about here, but I'm kinda excited SCSU will be in the conference, even though UMD would probably play them each year regardless. I'm just a little surprised, it seems like this league was a UND/DU collaboration, and I figured UND would want to keep SCSU out of the league for some political reasons... but maybe their hate has been more focused towards the NCAA now

bunt_q
09-23-2011, 10:45 AM
They can't do it. It will never happen. They have green gay fudgepacker fan syndrome.

I didn't expect gay-bashing out of Minnesota. It's always struck me as a fairly progressive place.

Husckey Domi Nation
09-23-2011, 10:55 AM
The NCAA couldn't stop them from duplicating a name. We've currently got two teams of Huskies and two teams of Mavericks; there could certainly be two teams of gophers. Heck, a flickertail isn't much different than a gopher anyway.
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Speaking of names, with St. Cloud State University joining the National Collegiate Hockey Conference which many people are referring to lately as "The National", does that mean that currently SCSU is playing in the Western Collegiate Hockey Association or "The Western"?