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    Congrats to Boston College on winning The Belt.
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                       Current Holder         Next Defense
    The Belt           Boston College         Ferris State 04/07/2012
    AHA Belt           Air Force              next year
    CCHA Belt          Western Michigan       next year
    ECAC Belt          Union                  next year
    HEA Belt           Boston College         next year
    WCHA Belt          Minnesota              next year
    Ivy Belt           Harvard                next year
    B1G                Michigan               next year
    NCHC Belt          North Dakota           next year
    New England Belt   Boston College         next year
    Massachusetts Belt Merrimack              next year
    Michigan Belt      Western Michigan       next year
    Michigan Alternate Northern Michigan      next year
    Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              next year
    New York Belt      Union                  next year
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    • Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

      Congrats to Boston College on retaining The Belt.
      Code:
                         Current Holder         Next Defense
      The Belt           Boston College         next year
      AHA Belt           Air Force              next year
      CCHA Belt          Western Michigan       next year
      ECAC Belt          Union                  next year
      HEA Belt           Boston College         next year
      WCHA Belt          Minnesota              next year
      Ivy Belt           Harvard                next year
      B1G                Michigan               next year
      NCHC Belt          North Dakota           next year
      New England Belt   Boston College         next year
      Massachusetts Belt Merrimack              next year
      Michigan Belt      Western Michigan       next year
      Michigan Alternate Northern Michigan      next year
      Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              next year
      New York Belt      Union                  next year
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      • Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

        Ralph

        Could we have a play-up belt (current holder Ferris State)?
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        • Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

          Originally posted by joecct View Post
          Ralph

          Could we have a play-up belt (current holder Ferris State)?
          Sure we could, but it is isn't necessarily the case that Ferris would have it.
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            We could have a d2 and d3 belt it's just a matter of doing the research.
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              Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
              We could have a d2 and d3 belt it's just a matter of doing the research.
              Very true. A D3 Playup Belt would be weird in that CC probably has held it at times for several years in a row without a defense.
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              • Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

                Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                We could have a d2 and d3 belt it's just a matter of doing the research.
                Say that I wanted to start researching a D3 Play-up Belt. Would it be fair to say that games involving teams from the west (CC) before the 1951-2 season (when the MCHL was founded) don't count as play-up games? Similarly, would it be fair to use the start of the 1964-5 season (when the ECAC split into two divisions) as the point in time when games involving teams from the east (CCT, SLU, Union, RPI) started counting as play-up games? Those are the seasons when the division between D-I and D-II/III really emerged.

                Alternatively, I could start the research in 1904 with the first Union-RPI game and work forward, but that brings up the question of "What constitutes a 'play-up' game if there are no separate divisions?"
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                • Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

                  Originally posted by burgie12 View Post
                  Say that I wanted to start researching a D3 Play-up Belt. Would it be fair to say that games involving teams from the west (CC) before the 1951-2 season (when the MCHL was founded) don't count as play-up games? Similarly, would it be fair to use the start of the 1964-5 season (when the ECAC split into two divisions) as the point in time when games involving teams from the east (CCT, SLU, Union, RPI) started counting as play-up games? Those are the seasons when the division between D-I and D-II/III really emerged.

                  Alternatively, I could start the research in 1904 with the first Union-RPI game and work forward, but that brings up the question of "What constitutes a 'play-up' game if there are no separate divisions?"
                  We should start with the teams that currently are D-III schools. Once they either completely drop hockey, go to D-III hockey, or move their entire program up to D-II or higher (perhaps some research into that happening is warranted; you must move down and then back up, though), they are dropped from contention, but should they leave with possession of the belt, we create a new belt similar to what happens when a folding team leaves hockey with a state belt.
                  Last edited by FlagDUDE08; 06-25-2012, 09:17 AM.

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                  • Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

                    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                    We should start with the teams that currently are D-III schools. Once they either completely drop hockey, go to D-III hockey, or move their entire program up to D-II or higher, they are dropped from contention, but should they leave with possession of the belt, we create a new belt similar to what happens when a folding team leaves hockey with a state belt.
                    But that doesn't answer the question about how to treat Colby, Williams, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Norwich, and Amherst (Eastern teams that were around in the 50s / 60s, but went to D2 / D3 when the ECAC split). Were they eligible for the belt? Or were those games not considered games between play-up teams because there weren't separate divisions, hence no play-up teams?

                    ETA: Obviously, you can tell where I stand on this issue.
                    Last edited by burgie12; 06-25-2012, 09:26 AM.
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                    • Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

                      Originally posted by burgie12 View Post
                      But that doesn't answer the question about how to treat Colby, Williams, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Norwich, and Amherst (Eastern teams that were around in the 50s / 60s, but went to D2 / D3 when the ECAC split). Were they eligible for the belt? Or were those games not considered games between play-up teams because there weren't separate divisions, hence no play-up teams?

                      ETA: Obviously, you can tell where I stand on this issue.
                      I think this may be the first time that we'd have to bring the considerations of non-hockey NCAA sports into consideration. Not to completely dodge your question, but perhaps another one should be asked: When did the ECAC Belt start? If it started at the formation of the league (and does not include any tri-state competition or anything similar), then I would think we should start at the point that the divisions are created.

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                      • Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

                        Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                        When did the ECAC Belt start? If it started at the formation of the league (and does not include any tri-state competition or anything similar)
                        The ECAC Belt started with the first ECAC games (fall 1961). I forget who did the research on this belt and established the start date (it was likely Sean Pickett).
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                        • Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

                          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                          I think this may be the first time that we'd have to bring the considerations of non-hockey NCAA sports into consideration. Not to completely dodge your question, but perhaps another one should be asked: When did the ECAC Belt start? If it started at the formation of the league (and does not include any tri-state competition or anything similar), then I would think we should start at the point that the divisions are created.
                          Agreed. There were no playups until Divisions started.
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                            Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
                            Agreed. There were no playups until Divisions started.
                            OK, I'll ask the next question: Are RPI, CCT, SLU, and CC the only eligible ones at the start? What would constitute a "play-up"?

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                              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                              OK, I'll ask the next question: Are RPI, CCT, SLU, and CC the only eligible ones at the start? What would constitute a "play-up"?
                              I don't think so. MTU has always been a western playup. UND was a playup most of the time, and for some periods Denver was also. I think that all were at the start but it will take research.

                              Edit: I don't recall when divisions started but there may be others, e.g. UMD.
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                                Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
                                I don't think so. MTU has always been a western playup. UND was a playup most of the time, and for some periods Denver was also. I think that all were at the start but it will take research.

                                Edit: I don't recall when divisions started but there may be others, e.g. UMD.
                                Also, what divisions are we using in the consideration of "play-up"? I believe burgie12 only wanted to consider D-III.

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