The new Super League is going down the tubes.

[SJHovey]

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If you believe the rumors Texas has five options [B12, B1G, PAC, ACC, IND], OK two [B12, PAC], ND five [IND, B12, B1G, BE, ACC], Pittsburgh three [BE, B12, B1G]. Fact of the matter is that there are a million possible scenarios and the most likely is status quo until one of the big schools makes a move. Then all heck breaks loose.

One thing is for certain. Notre Dame is not going to give up their independence unless its a compelling situation.

Anyone who thinks they can predict where TX, ND, OK & PIT will be in 2014 is a freakin' genius. There are 150 possible combinations with just those four schools.

I think this is the reason that WMU, BGSU and ND haven't made their decision as far as hockey conferences go.

If the decision of the University of Oklahoma as to whether they stay in the Big 12 or move to the PAC 10 is the reason we don't know what hockey conference Bowling Green State University will belong to in two years, then we truly live in a ******** up world.

[ozzie679]

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If the decision of the University of Oklahoma as to whether they stay in the Big 12 or move to the PAC 10 is the reason we don't know what hockey conference Bowling Green State University will belong to in two years, then we truly live in a ******** up world.

Goon is obviously referring to Notre Dame. Football is the driver and hockey is just along for the ride.

[CHFAN222]

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Oklahoma has said they want to decide by Sunday.

Though is the B12 dissolves I personally think Texas will just declare itself as an independent because they have enough clout to do so.

Little off topic but anyone else think this about this whole conference realignment with the PAC. Why have they avoided the state of Nevada? I mean UNLV or Nevada would make perfect sense for an expanded PAC conference.

[dggoddard]

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Latest rumor on OrangeBlood.com is that Texas will go to the ACC if Oklahoma bolts to PAC.

The same reason that Nevada doesn't have any pro teams. The gambling aspects and road trips to Vegas or Reno scares the crap out of pro leagues and college conferences.

[ozzie679]

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Latest rumor on OrangeBlood.com is that Texas will go to the ACC if Oklahoma bolts to PAC.

Duke, NC, NC State, Wake Forest, and Boston College.....Texas?

[Shirtless Guy]

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Duke, NC, NC State, Wake Forest, and Boston College.....Texas?

why not? I highly doubt the ACC would object to Texas having the LHN.

[ozzie679]

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why not? I highly doubt the ACC would object to Texas having the LHN.

Neither would the SEC...

[kingdobbs]

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Little off topic but anyone else think this about this whole conference realignment with the PAC. Why have they avoided the state of Nevada? I mean UNLV or Nevada would make perfect sense for an expanded PAC conference.

Only geographically.

The biggest hurdle in the forming of the superconferences is the "value added" question. In the case of the move to 12, the championship game alone justified itself (although not for the ACC; the Big 12 and SEC certainly had valuable ones, and the Big Ten and Pac-12 will most likely be high-value properties as well). Now the leagues are sitting on high value media contracts, and the move to 16 is going to be dictated by the principle of whether the teams they add bring in at least enough value to keep their media contracts on the same levels as prior deals.

Nevada and UNLV just don't add enough. The Pac-12, because of it's "geography problem", needs to look much harder at the value of the programs it brings in with regards to its media contracts. The only teams with enough media value to speak of are already in the Pac-12, with the exception of BYU. The Pac-12, by necessity, must expand its footprint to add value; by comparison, the SEC can probably keep its pie big enough without needing to expand beyond its current borders by doubling up in some states, the ACC would be more "filling in" its footprint because of the isolation of BC, and the Big Ten has the inside track on Notre Dame (after which point the rest of the teams they grab don't matter).

If the Pac-12 starts sniffing around the Nevada teams, rest assured it's because anyone with actual value has told them to jog on.

[Hammy]

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Though is the B12 dissolves I personally think Texas will just declare itself as an independent because they have enough clout to do so.

Trying to be independent in an era where combining forces with other big name/money institutions is the clear trend will only lead a program to peril. I wouldn't hold your breath on them making that choice

[Shirtless Guy]

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Trying to be independent in an era where combining forces with other big name/money institutions is the clear trend will only lead a program to peril. I wouldn't hold your breath on them making that choice

Certainly not when they need a place for their other sports...aren't many high profile options, especially when you're not in the northeast.

[cross cheque]

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I am over being mad about all this and have moved on.

Oh so you're the one.

[Goon]

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Goon is obviously referring to Notre Dame. Football is the driver and hockey is just along for the ride.

That's what I am talking about... Football is driving this...

If the decision of the University of Oklahoma as to whether they stay in the Big 12 or move to the PAC 10 is the reason we don't know what hockey conference Bowling Green State University will belong to in two years, then we truly live in a ******** up world.

[HarleyMC]

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the Big Ten shares ALL Bowl revenues...the question is how much more does Notre Dame make from other deals...its not apples to apples when you say Notre Dame got $9 from NBC (just football), and the Big Ten got $20 mil from everything.

You're right SG. As was mentioned, Notre Dame's current contract with NBC which was renegotiated in 2010 and expires in 2015 is $15M/yr. The question is not only how much Notre Dame made from other deals, but what did their balance sheet indicate in net football income compared to other Big Ten teams?

According to financial reports filed by Notre Dame and Big Ten schools with the U.S. Department of Education for July 1, 2009 to June 30, 2010, only Penn State recorded a higher revenue than Notre Dame from their football programs in 2009. Revenue consists of gate receipts, broadcast revenues, appearance guarantees and options, concessions, and advertising. Expenses consisted of grants-in-aid, salaries, travel, equipment, and supplies. There is variance in how each institution categorizes revenue and expenses with the federal government, nevertheless the income revenue and expenses I'm documenting here retrieved from the US Dept. of Education are valid and reliable.

A 2009 net profit comparison of all 11 Big Ten teams to Notre Dame indicates that only Michigan ($44,861,184.00) registered a higher net profit than Notre Dame ($34,672,275.00) with Penn St. ($33,445,548.00) trailing close behind. By comparison, the University of Minnesota received a total of approximately $22M in broadcast revenue sharing from the Big Ten ($8M BTN, $14M ABC/ESPN) and in addition to other football related revenue, the Gopher football program generated $32,322,688.00 in total revenue in 2009, 7th overall in the Big Ten. However, their expenses of $17,433,699.00 also ranked 7th overall, resulting in $14,888,989.00 in net profit which is less than half of Notre Dame's profit margin as an independent. Now what was that about "lowly Minnesota" making more money in the B1G than Notre Dame?

What does this indicate? Notre Dame as an independent does not necessarily need Big Ten revenue. In fact, Notre Dame's history of rejecting offers to join the Big Ten indicates that it values it's socio-religious agenda, academic consortium and independence more than money and they're not afraid to boldly proclaim it.

Those who insist that Notre Dame will inevitably join the Big Ten because it will provide a financial windfall for ND simply don't understand the ND polity, worldview and strength of their brand recognition: 1) their powerful alumni assn. and 55 person board of trustees have continually refused to relinquish their independence after repeated invitations by the Big Ten in 1994 and 1999, 2) Notre Dame's stoic faith based/organizational mantra for decades has been: Catholic, private and independent and 3) From a marketing standpoint, Notre Dame football, which commands a nationwide fan base, reflects one of the most unique brands in all of college football.

Moreover, Notre Dame's value added brand has not nor will it EVER be shut out of the BCS bowl selection scheme. Anyone who thinks Notre Dame's independent status may shut them out of the BCS system because of conference realignment does not understand the BCS or macroeconomics. The Fiesta Bowls in 2005-06 and 2000-01 have the two of the three highest, non-national championship TV ratings in history. The 2007 Sugar Bowl has one of the highest ratings in history as well.

2006-07: 56.0 rating, Sugar Bowl — ND vs. LSU
2005-06: 55.9 rating, Fiesta Bowl — ND vs. Ohio State
2000-01: 55.5 rating, Fiesta Bowl — ND vs. Oregon State

Why does the BCS like Notre Dame regardless of their independence? According to BCS rules, Notre Dame will always earn less money after conference bowl distributions than BCS teams. However, Notre Dame's national brand recognition typically: 1) increases BCS TV ratings and revenue, 2) makes the BCS more attractive, 3) sells more tickets and 4) floods additional revenue streams in host cities more than some BCS conference champions.

In essence, there are a lot of concessions that Notre Dame's multi-level executive constituencies need to make in order to make joining the Big Ten more than just a talking point. In my view, this is the elephant in the room. Once the smoke clears, I would not be at all surprised to learn that the ND alumni, university officers and trustees determined once again it is NOT in their overall best interests philosophically and in terms of surrendering their marketing brand as an independent to join the Big Ten despite ominous threats of major conference realignments.

[Hammy]

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Notre Dame doesn't live in their own world that is impervious to outside influences from across the rest of the country. If anything, these conferences could mean the end of the BCS way of doing things. You can't view things with a past perspective and think it is going to matter moving forward. At some point, a single minded view will bite you. If there is one thing we are seeing in college sports these days, you are far better off working together in a conference structure than you are to try to go it alone. Far more power in numbers.

[dggoddard]

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Hammy and Harley are both correct, but how long until the TV dollars get so enormous that some SEC schools [Bama, Florida, Tennessee] or B1G schools [OSU, MI, PSU] want to cut out the dead wood [Vandy, Miss State, Northwestern, Purdue, Minnesota]?

There's no end to all of this. Everytime a BCS TV contract comes up, somebody will be stabbing somebody else in the back. Today its Baylor, Iowa State and Kansas State getting screwed. Five years from now it will be someone else.

Many Notre Dame posters on BCS message boards seem to think that Notre Dame will end up in the ACC. I think what we are seeing this week is that the ADs and Football coaches at Texas & ND want to go to the B1G and the school presidents want to go to the ACC.