The new Super League is going down the tubes.

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UAH hasn't had a chance to grow, because no one is taking them in. BSU did have a chance to grow, because the big schools let them in their conference. Who's to say that UAH couldn't grow into an annual tourney team? They haven't got the chance to try.

SCSU had a chance to grow, because of the same reasons BSU did. That's what I consider growth.

Well, welcome the era of big conferences. I'd suggest you watch football for a while to get the proper mindset for the future of college hockey. But blaming the NCHC is pointless.

If anything, we may need the NCHC to keep any small school programs afloat. Schools like DU, UND, Miami, surely not CC... These schools don't survive in other sports versus the likes of the Big 10, let alone remain "elite". Growing Alabama is very low on my priority list now. Let the NCAA worry about that.

You still haven't answered the fundamental question - why is it one school's responsibility to develop small programs? Why should North Dakota worry about Tech?

[The Rube]

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Well, welcome the era of big conferences. I'd suggest you watch football for a while to get the proper mindset for the future of college hockey. But blaming the NCHC is pointless.

If anything, we may need the NCHC to keep any small school programs afloat. Schools like DU, UND, Miami, surely not CC... These schools don't survive in other sports versus the likes of the Big 10, let alone remain "elite". Growing Alabama is very low on my priority list now. Let the NCAA worry about that.

You still haven't answered the fundamental question - why is it one schools responsibility to develop small programs?

I have answered it: growth.

And I blame the B1G Mistake overall for this massive change. The NaCHo(C) is just another mistake to add to the pile.

[GoBeavers]

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Right now, if BSU were still looking for a conference, would the NaCHo(C) take them? No. They'd probably end up in the WCHA, where there is little exposure. They grew in D1 because they were in a conference with the "haves." If the whole conference is "haves" how can other programs grow when they all have to play each other?

Conferences need the little guy just as much as the little guy needs them, if you want growth.

You do realize that BSU is just starting it's SECOND year in the WCHA right?

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I have answered it: growth.

And I blame the B1G Mistake overall for this massive change. The NaCHo(C) is just another mistake to add to the pile.

Well, I don't disagree there. But something like the Big 10 was inevitable, and in the long run, probably necessary.

As for growth... that's nice and idealistic, but not realistic. There is no greater good on the radar of any AD. These are real people with real interests, budgets, and accountability. I don't want to say it's all about money... hockey still isn't football. But it's still a factor. One NCHC school that shall remain unnamed I know already runs its program in the red every year. How much more can you ask any one school to give up? Sorry, but those days are done, it's each man for himself now. (And in reality, it always was, it's just that the equation was somewhat different two decades ago than it is now.)

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You do realize that BSU is just starting it's SECOND year in the WCHA right?

Hypothetically speaking. Whoever's the next BSU.

Say, a Moorhead State. No, the NCHC probably won't take them.

[The Rube]

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You do realize that BSU is just starting it's SECOND year in the WCHA right?

Yes. My point was, that if the big schools only wanted other big schools, BSU wouldn't even be in the WCHA in the first place.

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Yes. My point was, that if the big schools only wanted other big schools, BSU wouldn't even be in the WCHA in the first place.

Is it an accepted and agreed upon fact that adding Bemidji was a good thing?

To me, those are tickets that are hard to give away when you have extras. It does give me the opportunity once a year to tell the Paul Bunyan story in an area where not everybody knows who he and Babe are. But apart from that...

[ScoobyDoo]

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Is it an accepted and agreed upon fact that adding Bemidji was a good thing?

To me, those are tickets that are hard to give away when you have extras. It does give me the opportunity once a year to tell the Paul Bunyan story in an area where not everybody knows who he and Babe are. But apart from that...

Inevitability is a big thing with you. I suppose that's what you say when anything bad happens to anyone else. I don't imagine you say that when something bad happens to you or something you care about though.

Cry me a river on the Bemidji tickets.

[Shirtless Guy]

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Is it an accepted and agreed upon fact that adding Bemidji was a good thing?

To me, those are tickets that are hard to give away when you have extras. It does give me the opportunity once a year to tell the Paul Bunyan story in an area where not everybody knows who he and Babe are. But apart from that...

If your program is that good and that successful, it shouldn't matter who they are playing...people should want to go. That's what you don't understand about this whole thing. Where would DU be without UND, CC games? Sounds to me like you're in the same boat as the rest of the teams. You need other big time programs for people to give a crap about attending your games.

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Inevitability is a big thing with you. I suppose that's what you say when anything bad happens to anyone else. I don't imagine you say that when something bad happens to you or something you care about though.

Cry me a river on the Bemidji tickets.

You would prefer big schools and large name-brand conferences stay out of hockey forever? Yes, I did see that as inevitable. I even hoped it was inevitable. An orderly transition would've been nice, but when has the NCAA ever done anything orderly vis a vis conferences? Hockey can't become one of the "big four" sports in the U.S. and remain outside the collegiate structure used by pretty much every other sport forever. You've never had that discussion with non-hockey people before, and tried to explain that college is not the normal path to the NHL? It's an easier path now than it's ever been before, though, which is probably why it got the Big 10's attention.

Haha, and charity seems to be big with you guys. The greater good. Wealth transfer. Big schools doing what's best for the smaller schools. Hockey as socialist endeavor.

[ScoobyDoo]

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You would prefer big schools and large name-brand conferences stay out of hockey forever? Yes, I did see that as inevitable. I even hoped it was inevitable. An orderly transition would've been nice, but when has the NCAA ever done anything orderly vis a vis conferences? Hockey can't become one of the "big four" sports in the U.S. and remain outside the collegiate structure used by pretty much every other sport forever. You've never had that discussion with non-hockey people before, and tried to explain that college is not the normal path to the NHL? It's an easier path now than it's ever been before, though, which is probably why it got the Big 10's attention.

Haha, and charity seems to be big with you guys. The greater good. Wealth transfer. Big schools doing what's best for the smaller schools. Hockey as socialist endeavor.

You're funny. You think hockey is big in America and not a regional sport.

Baseball is huge in America and college isn't the normal path there either. But, don't let facts get in the way of your fantasy.

[GoBeavers]

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If your program is that good and that successful, it shouldn't matter who they are playing...people should want to go. That's what you don't understand about this whole thing. Where would DU be without UND, CC games? Sounds to me like you're in the same boat as the rest of the teams. You need other big time programs for people to give a crap about attending your games.

You hit the nail dead on.

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If your program is that good and that successful, it shouldn't matter who they are playing...people should want to go. That's what you don't understand about this whole thing. Where would DU be without UND, CC games? Sounds to me like you're in the same boat as the rest of the teams. You need other big time programs for people to give a crap about attending your games.

Not sure how DU draws. It helps to play interesting games for sure. But the difference is, some schools are appealing to other schools, some schools aren't.

Seriously, where does this hockey socialism come from? Is it that hard to accept that some schools are haves, others are have-nots? It's kind of pathetic actually. You guys could learn a lot from Boise State football - they are proud, feisty, and pretty good. They complain, and make their case for opportunity, but they don't whine and expect charity. You guys have equity of opportunity - that's all you're entitled to. You are not entitled to equal outcomes.

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You're funny. You think hockey is big in America and not a regional sport.

Baseball is huge in America and college isn't the normal path there either. But, don't let facts get in the way of your fantasy.

It is a small sport, absolutely. Which is why I don't care what happens in Bemidji, Houghton, and whatever other hockey hamlet you guys may be representing. There is nothing to be ashamed of in aligning yourself with the best (and most interesting to your fans/alumni) teams you can. It's vital, especially in a regional sport.

Seriously, what's so bad about this outcome?

Northern Michigan, Tech, and LSSU in the same conference?
Anchorage and Fairbanks in the same conference?

What is the real complaint from the remaining WCHA teams? Please tell me it's more than just your feelings got hurt.

[The Rube]

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Not sure how DU draws. It helps to play interesting games for sure. But the difference is, some schools are appealing to other schools, some schools aren't.

Seriously, where does this hockey socialism come from? Is it that hard to accept that some shocks are haves, others are have-nots? It's kind of pathetic actually. You guys could learn a lot from Boise State football - they are proud, feisty, and pretty good. They complain, And make their case for opportunity, but they don't whine and expect charity. You guys have equity of opportunity - that's all you're entitled to. You are not entitled to equal outcomes.

Um, we never said there were no have-nots. We would like to know how you expect hockey to grow when any budding program gets pushed aside by conferences like the BT and NCHC? If anything, hockey will shrink because schools like BGSU and UAH don't have a chance to be in a "big time conference" and they end up folding the program.

Just like the NaCHo(C), you are looking at the short moneygrab. You fail to see the long-term results.