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Re: Bowdoin Forfeits NESCAC Championship due to Hazing
Originally posted by AldenPartridge1819 View PostLast edited by PrezdeJohnson09; 05-23-2011, 11:50 AM.The Poster Formerly Known as Purple_and_Gold10©
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Re: Bowdoin Forfeits NESCAC Championship due to Hazing
Today, Bowdoin and by virtue of association, the NESCAC has earned significant respect. I still find the remarks by Middlebury's "president" that I previously quoted to be obnoxious, but this action by Bowdoin shows class and determination to stand up for their beliefs. KUDOS to them!!!Larry Normandin
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Bowdoin is definitely a "class act". Too bad all institutions from Middle Schools to the Pros don't apply this same level of accountability to their athletes and teams. We would all be far better if this was the rule rather than the exception.John Nabors
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Re: Bowdoin Forfeits NESCAC Championship due to Hazing
If they had gone 4-0 in the NCAA's, would we be having this conversation?
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Re: Bowdoin Forfeits NESCAC Championship due to Hazing
Originally posted by joecct View PostIf they had gone 4-0 in the NCAA's, would we be having this conversation?
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Hats off to the Bowdoin College and student body for taking this stand against "Hazing". It's hard to understand why in this day and age why these incidents continue to pop up sporadically. We had one here in Windsor with the Spitfires a couple of years ago and the same strong message was sent at that time. I hope that other teams and schools can learn from Bowdoin's example and that this will be one of the last times any student athlete is subject to this humliation process.
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Because it only affected a conference title. But if they had forfeited an NCAA title, then we would have blown the thread up.CCT '77 & '78
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Originally posted by joecct View PostBecause it only affected a conference title. But if they had forfeited an NCAA title, then we would have blown the thread up.The Poster Formerly Known as Purple_and_Gold10©
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GO LAKERS!!!
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Oswego State '09
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Re: Bowdoin Forfeits NESCAC Championship due to Hazing
It appears there is strong support for the sanctions rendered against the Bowdoin hockey team. I certainly agree there was definitely some form of hazing and there needed to be consequences. The administration could not turn a blind eye. But, I contend that the punishment was far too harsh for the crime.
There are degrees of hazing and deciding the severity of hazing is very subjective. Hazing to some may conjure up images of extreme physical, emotional and mental abuse. On the other hand, standing up and having to sing or perform in front of peers is a benign form of hazing. I think it would be naïve to believe that there exists no form of hazing according to definition and I believe most teams, associations or organizations have such rituals that can be construed as hazing. Where was the Bowdoin hockey team on this continuum? According to some sources the hockey initiation activity has been passed down from year to year and apparently, in recent years the activity had been modified to a vastly more “acceptable level”. There was clearly no physical abuse and arguably minimal emotional damage. This team was following a set of group norms that had been established long before they were part of the college. Were these players the “chosen” group to break tradition? The administration must have had an inkling of initiation activities on campus. Was there a way an enlightened administration could have proactively led this or other groups out of this socially binding contract?
Was this an opportunity for the school to send a message to all teams and organizations on campus? If so then this team was the “sacrificial lamb”. The administration chose to forfeit this team’s accomplishments on the ice to make a statement. It seems a very high price to pay for the individual hockey players and the team as a whole. Again, my point isn’t that there should not have been consequences but to strip the hockey team of its first NESAC championship is extreme. I believe there were more appropriate and creative means of seeking justice such as social probation, suspensions and community service to name a few. Also, being the cynic I am, was this a convenient way for Bowdoin to espouse its superior moral code and elevate its reputation within the academic circles.
I don’t see this punishment as doing more than building resentment and mistrust amongst the student body and leaving the team, particularly the hockey graduates wondering how quickly they were devalued as members of the Bowdoin community.
Does the punishment fit the crime?
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My sentiments, Fan3. I've been a little bit surprised at all the cheer leading on this website and the Bowdoin website for the imposition of this punishment in this particular case. After all, it seems highly unlikely that this was the first year that freshmen hockey players were initiated in some way at Bowdoin. And even more unlikely is the idea that the Bowdoin hockey team is the only team at Bowdoin with initiation rituals. The only thing that is unique is that this is the first time it happened after winning the NESCAC championship for the first time ever. And then you have the Bowdoin President saying that no one was harmed and that the people who were involved were "good" people, so I question whether this punishment fit the crime and whether the hockey team was being used by the administration to send some kind of a message to the team and the larger community. I might think otherwise if I learned that these rituals were truly abusive but I have heard nothing to that effect other than that drinking was involved . .
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Originally posted by d3follower View PostMy sentiments, Fan3. I've been a little bit surprised at all the cheer leading on this website and the Bowdoin website for the imposition of this punishment in this particular case. After all, it seems highly unlikely that this was the first year that freshmen hockey players were initiated in some way at Bowdoin. And even more unlikely is the idea that the Bowdoin hockey team is the only team at Bowdoin with initiation rituals. The only thing that is unique is that this is the first time it happened after winning the NESCAC championship for the first time ever. And then you have the Bowdoin President saying that no one was harmed and that the people who were involved were "good" people, so I question whether this punishment fit the crime and whether the hockey team was being used by the administration to send some kind of a message to the team and the larger community. I might think otherwise if I learned that these rituals were truly abusive but I have heard nothing to that effect other than that drinking was involved . .2007-2008 ECAC East/NESCAC Interlock Pick 'em winner
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