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Laker54
07-11-2011, 03:43 PM
I really donít see the formation of the B10 Conference and a Super Conference doing anything positive for college hockey. It will only begin to bring in the mentality of the big schools taking over a sport attempting to dominate it. Someone mention a comparison to college basketball Ė letís pray it doesnít take us there.

The start of a Super Conference will ultimately back fire on some of those who think it will benefit them. Western had one good year; while it has commitment more to their hockey program there is no long term track record. Miami has been hot for a few years; but is not a long term history. We know what it is like to be at the top and then try to stay at there.

That said there is not a thing we can do about it; it is a free country. We can only do what is best for Laker Hockey and it is great news the AD is burning the wires talking to others. Today I see Northern is ready to jump to the WHCA so it will not be left on the outside looking in. I really donít want to see the Lakers left on the outside looking in. The conference Neal Diamond suggested looked pretty good to me and would create a competitive conference; a conference which receives an automatic bid to the NCAA Finals. Bottomline is we all want a team which is competitive year in and year out. Fans will come to see a winner whether it is the CCHA or a new conference. We are Laker Hockey fans.

Now we have MSU or Michigan, fill the arena in the Soo once every other year or less. I would rather see a winning team fill arena for each of their home games. The money is the same whether it is winning against a St. Cloud State or losing to a Michigan.

As for recruiting against the B10 or the Super Conference; I donít believe it will the problem some think. Does a young player want to contribute now or sit on the bench and wait his turn? Does someone one want to be the big fish in a small pond or the small fish in the big pond. We never had an opportunity to compete against the big schools if a prospect wanted to play at a big school. As for competition; the B10 teams and the Super Conference will still need to fill out their schedules, so there will be opportunities.

Letís keep encouraging the AD to do the right thing for Lake Hockey.:)

nmu_27
07-11-2011, 05:45 PM
If NMU makes the jump, I would certainly like to see LSSU make the jump to the WCHA, as well. Either way, it will be an interesting week.

jnacc
07-11-2011, 05:48 PM
If NMU makes the jump, I would certainly like to see LSSU make the jump to the WCHA, as well. Either way, it will be an interesting week.

Looks like NMU has already made the jump.....http://rinkandrun.areavoices.com/2011/07/11/changes-underway-northern-michigan-to-wcha/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The article mentions that Alaska Fairbanks may be the next addition to the WCHA

Things are moving very fast now and it appears the new conferences will be formed by the end of August at the latest.

davyd83
07-11-2011, 05:49 PM
If NMU makes the jump, I would certainly like to see LSSU make the jump to the WCHA, as well. Either way, it will be an interesting week.

It's not likely that LSSU is desired by the Minnesota schools

jnacc
07-11-2011, 05:55 PM
It's not likely that LSSU is desired by the Minnesota schools

That would be a very bad development for LSSU....the school needs to be based in a conference with NMU, Tech and the remaining WCHA programs. I'm not sure Laker hockey would survive in a conference featuring the few remaining CCHA programs and the addition of some Atlantic teams.

PerkyforPrez
07-11-2011, 06:03 PM
That would be a very bad development for LSSU....the school needs to be based in a conference with NMU, Tech and the remaining WCHA programs. I'm not sure Laker hockey would survive in a conference featuring the few remaining CCHA programs and the addition of some Atlantic teams.


I have a sick feeling in my gut you may be right jnacc.

smokeythebear
07-11-2011, 06:38 PM
I have a sick feeling in my gut you may be right jnacc.

I am pretty sure Tech won't allow LSSU to die off; I am sure an invite will come....when, not sure.

PerkyforPrez
07-11-2011, 07:59 PM
I am pretty sure Tech won't allow LSSU to die off; I am sure an invite will come....when, not sure.

Wow that is almost funny. When UAH were denied admitance too the ccha i felt realy bad for them and wished them nothing but the best. Now with the dismal looking future of our once proud program i can truely sympathise with their fans and only hope that something can be worked out so that college hockey can grow instead of programs being dropped.

Bill
07-11-2011, 08:40 PM
Although there are those who feel the MN schools aren't interested in LSSU becoming part of the WCHA (and I'm not sure what the rationale is behind that), it should be noted that the first college hockey league that the Lakers participated in also had Bemidji and St Cloud as members.

davyd83
07-11-2011, 09:18 PM
Although there are those who feel the MN schools aren't interested in LSSU becoming part of the WCHA (and I'm not sure what the rationale is behind that), it should be noted that the first college hockey league that the Lakers participated in also had Bemidji and St Cloud as members.

It could be that non of them is a single day bus trip from the Soo

Bill
07-11-2011, 09:33 PM
It could be that non of them is a single day bus trip from the Soo

They would be long bus trips for sure, but all doable in a day. And the Lakers did play in the same league as two of the three MN schools in the past, Mankato being the exception.

davyd83
07-11-2011, 09:58 PM
They would be long bus trips for sure, but all doable in a day. And the Lakers did play in the same league as two of the three MN schools in the past, Mankato being the exception.

No they don't do 11 1/2 to 12 1/2 hour trips in a single day on the way out. They do do it coming home, having to change drivers halfway home due to driving limits. I know the google map says 10 1/2 hours for a couple of those trips, but you also must consider meal stops and the fact that there are limits on how much time a bus driver can put in (max 10 hrs total per day). Then you consider the health and safety of the players, and you're not putting them on a bus trip for 11 hours today and playing tomorrow.

Bill
07-12-2011, 06:58 AM
No they don't do 11 1/2 to 12 1/2 hour trips in a single day on the way out. They do do it coming home, having to change drivers halfway home due to driving limits. I know the google map says 10 1/2 hours for a couple of those trips, but you also must consider meal stops and the fact that there are limits on how much time a bus driver can put in (max 10 hrs total per day). Then you consider the health and safety of the players, and you're not putting them on a bus trip for 11 hours today and playing tomorrow.
Is 8 hours on a bus considered acceptable then for playing the next day, or will they run into the same player issues when traveling to Marquette? All I'm saying is that LSSU played in the same league in the past as Bemidji and St Cloud, and those schools were able to make it work. If travel time is their main issue, what's different today that makes them no longer willing to consider it?

davyd83
07-12-2011, 07:44 AM
Is 8 hours on a bus considered acceptable then for playing the next day, or will they run into the same player issues when traveling to Marquette? All I'm saying is that LSSU played in the same league in the past as Bemidji and St Cloud, and those schools were able to make it work. If travel time is their main issue, what's different today that makes them no longer willing to consider it?

There have been rule changes by the NCAA regarding missed class time in the 40 years that have passed since LSSU competed with those schools. The potential for two Alaska trips in a season eats up a couple extra days there. There have also been changes in federal law regarding driving time which, with the advent of GPS technology, is incredible closely monitored. As for the time on a bus, it is very rare to see a team spend more than 8 or 9 hours traveling on the day prior to a game. NMU maxes out at 9 hours on it's trips to Bowling Green and Notre Dame, but then you still have time for the team to get a good skate in that evening, a good meal and good rest. Trips to Omaha, Oxford and Columbus were second day trips. One must also, when judging trip length take into account restrictions on drivers, how much time they are legally allowed to work during a given day and the fact that on a trip such as that they are required certain amounts of rest and meal time. And you can't just look at the mileage and say Bemidji is only 50 miles longer than NMU to Bowling Green. NMU to Bowling Green is all freeway once you hit the Bridge. Bemidji to the Soo is all US-2 and M-28 which adds an hour or hour and a half to the extra 50 miles making it more like 11-11 1/2 hours than the 9-9 1/2 NMU takes to get to Northern Ohio.

You might now ask, why Fairbanks instead of LSSU. That's simple, two games exempt from your official NCAA count, allowing two more home game with which to generate revenue, or scheduling a big school in a series that produces a nice check for your school as well.

PerkyforPrez
07-12-2011, 09:14 AM
I just tried to submit a message for the ccha on their website and suprise suprise their is a internal problem and it could not be submitted.

Dave, please excuse our ignorance but unlike your schools team our once proud Lakers appear to be stairing at quite possibly the end of our team in the very near future.:(

Bill
07-12-2011, 09:52 AM
There have been rule changes by the NCAA regarding missed class time in the 40 years that have passed since LSSU competed with those schools. The potential for two Alaska trips in a season eats up a couple extra days there. There have also been changes in federal law regarding driving time which, with the advent of GPS technology, is incredible closely monitored. As for the time on a bus, it is very rare to see a team spend more than 8 or 9 hours traveling on the day prior to a game. NMU maxes out at 9 hours on it's trips to Bowling Green and Notre Dame, but then you still have time for the team to get a good skate in that evening, a good meal and good rest. Trips to Omaha, Oxford and Columbus were second day trips. One must also, when judging trip length take into account restrictions on drivers, how much time they are legally allowed to work during a given day and the fact that on a trip such as that they are required certain amounts of rest and meal time. And you can't just look at the mileage and say Bemidji is only 50 miles longer than NMU to Bowling Green. NMU to Bowling Green is all freeway once you hit the Bridge. Bemidji to the Soo is all US-2 and M-28 which adds an hour or hour and a half to the extra 50 miles making it more like 11-11 1/2 hours than the 9-9 1/2 NMU takes to get to Northern Ohio.

You might now ask, why Fairbanks instead of LSSU. That's simple, two games exempt from your official NCAA count, allowing two more home game with which to generate revenue, or scheduling a big school in a series that produces a nice check for your school as well.
Do you think it's primarily a travel issue then, or might it also be that keeping the WCHA size down allows for more non-conference games against former WCHA teams?

davyd83
07-12-2011, 10:17 AM
Do you think it's primarily a travel issue then, or might it also be that keeping the WCHA size down allows for more non-conference games against former WCHA teams?

I do know that the goal is 7 or 8 teams. Alaska would be the 7th. They don't have any desire to get bigger. Travel is an issue with LSSU, where it might not be with Fairbanks because of the exemptions you gain by going there. As for the membership as a whole, you have to look at what do the Minnesota schools add by taking LSSU in, other than an 8th team? Do they bring a similar budget as the rest of the schools? Do they bring the ability to be nationally competitive on a regular basis? I think that the league will stay at 6 or 7 unless they can add someone that can bring something to the league, without adding alot in the way of travel expense. The only other current CCHA school that I could see even being remotely possible is Western. They bring a school with a new strong commitment to hockey in terms of finance and resource and one that can be nationally competitive. Though WMU is looking strongly at the Conference to be named later and Hockey East. It's more likely that 8th spot stays open for the time being.

Bill
07-12-2011, 10:22 AM
I do know that the goal is 7 or 8 teams. Alaska would be the 7th. They don't have any desire to get bigger. Travel is an issue with LSSU, where it might not be with Fairbanks because of the exemptions you gain by going there. As for the membership as a whole, you have to look at what do the Minnesota schools add by taking LSSU in, other than an 8th team? Do they bring a similar budget as the rest of the schools? Do they bring the ability to be nationally competitive on a regular basis? I think that the league will stay at 6 or 7 unless they can add someone that can bring something to the league, without adding alot in the way of travel expense. The only other current CCHA school that I could see even being remotely possible is Western. They bring a school with a new strong commitment to hockey in terms of finance and resource and one that can be nationally competitive. Though WMU is looking strongly at the Conference to be named later and Hockey East. It's more likely that 8th spot stays open for the time being.
Fair enough. I realize that LSSU probably has a smaller hockey budget by far than the other WCHA schools to be, and money is increasingly the name of the game these days.

davyd83
07-12-2011, 10:36 AM
Fair enough. I realize that LSSU probably has a smaller hockey budget by far than the other WCHA schools to be, and money is increasingly the name of the game these days.

It certainly is. I hate seeing what is happening right now. But it was bound to happen sooner or later. I don't blame any school or individual. Once a sixth Big10 school added hockey, the other five had no choice to remain with their current leagues. You had half the WCHA schools with bigger budgets and half with smaller budgets left. The bigger budget model doesn't work for the small schools. The smaller budget model doesn't work for the bigger schools. Absent a new arena and a national championship, I doubt that Duluth jumps. But that split was bound to happen as well. And, just like in football, once a few of the bigger dominoes fall, it just keeps going right down the line. Pleasure exchanging ideas with you.

davyd83
07-12-2011, 10:45 AM
I just tried to submit a message for the ccha on their website and suprise suprise their is a internal problem and it could not be submitted.

Dave, please excuse our ignorance but unlike your schools team our once proud Lakers appear to be stairing at quite possibly the end of our team in the very near future.:(

And that would be a horrible thing. I hope there is some way that LSSU can find a way to make it work. Ferris as well. The schools have been class acts and great rivals. I hate the way things are changing in college hockey. It kinda used to be like your old neighborhood where the big kids, the middle sized kids and the little kids all played together and everyone had a great time. Now the big kids (Big 10 and New Conference) have taken their pucks and left the rink and the middle sized kids (WCHA) have grabbed theirs too leaving the little kids behind and wondering if they'll have anyone to play with. They may have to go and find some new kids from the next neighborhood over to have enough for a game.