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    What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.
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    Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

    Originally posted by steve66 View Post
    What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.
    Players have been leaving early for years and years. That isn't going to change anytime soon. I'd rather have a player for a year or two then not have that player at all because they went to MJ. The availbility of an alternative path is something that the other sports really do not have to contend with.

    The player may only play in the AHL, but they all believe that they have a chance to play in the NHL and that isn't something that can happen if they stay in school.

    I think that the one-year rule is hurting basketball more then early departures are hurting hockey. But that is as seperate issue.

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      Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

      If the business does not stress to the employee.. go get your degree first!.. why would the employee care? ..sad but true.
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        Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

        Gee... why are these guys signing? Let's see.

        - Money.
        - Experience in the AHL even for a short time pays dividends for the next season.
        - AHL is still a much higher level than D1. If someone is dominating at this level, why wouldn't you take the next step if you're close enough to a degree that you can finish it over the summer or next two summers? A step from D1 to the NHL is even bigger.

        Who is advising some of these kids that signing is the right thing? Probably their "advisors"... aka agents and the NHL GMs that own their rights in most cases... the guys that do this for a living. Just a guess.
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        • #5
          Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

          95% of the kids leaving have one dream, to play pro hockey. Not college hockey. It is an end to the means. Period

          Do you really think Dacosta came to Merrimack to get a degree? If they made the rule it simply would mean even more kids would go major junior.

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          • #6
            Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

            If anyone needs more "schoo" it is you, not players, judging from your spelling.
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              Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

              Originally posted by steve66 View Post
              What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.
              Can you really blame the kids if they need the money? I mean if they stay as NCAA athletes they actually are limited in how much money they can earn at a job while in schools due to scandals in other sports . We don't know each players financial position so it's not fair to judge them.

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                Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

                We are hearing more and more overall that college is not for everyone, it is merely one path toward a career. Trade schools that teach technical skills in a specific field can lead a person to a well-paying, rewarding career without a formal college degree (we have highly complex machinery in many areas of our lives; you don't need college to be a jet-engine repair person).

                Perhaps your complaint is that the NHL is using colleges as an unpaid minor league system? While the schools and the NCAA make money, the athletes at some schools are only getting free room and board while at other schools they don't even get that.

                Somehow I doubt that this is actually your complaint....
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                  Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

                  Originally posted by steve66 View Post
                  What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.
                  Change the rules, and they go to Major Junior. Football and basketball don't have to compete with that. Baseball it would be the same way, but most stay in college anyway.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

                    Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
                    If someone is dominating at this level
                    This is the most comical part of your analysis. Most of the kids that are leaving aren't dominating anything.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

                      Originally posted by steve66 View Post
                      What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.
                      Nick Leddy is going to make $700,000 as a twenty year old. probably over $1 million as a 21 year old. If he saves his nickel and dimes, he might be able to pay for his other 3 years of school he needs.
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                        Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

                        Originally posted by steve66 View Post
                        What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.
                        Gee Steve, did you leave school early? You can't even spell obsession.

                        I have seen many players turn down that contract. Then they get hurt or don't have nearly as good of a season the next year in college. Then the offer and the money they had in their hands disappears. Often the best idea is to take the money today because it may not be there tomorrow.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

                          Any kid who is offered a contract upwards of $100k and turns it down to stay in school has made the correct decision, because he obviously needs to hit the books and study some economics.

                          This is coming from someone whose grandfathers and father all had doctorates, grandmothers and mothers all had masters degrees, and every single aunt, uncle, and first cousin has a degree (nearly all have multiple) - education is BIG in our family. But you know what? Harvard has been there for 375 years, and a pro hockey opportunity is often measured in weeks. Take the opportunity while you can!
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                          • #14
                            Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

                            Originally posted by CHFAN222 View Post
                            Can you really blame the kids if they need the money? I mean if they stay as NCAA athletes they actually are limited in how much money they can earn at a job while in schools due to scandals in other sports . We don't know each players financial position so it's not fair to judge them.
                            Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but I haven't found how much a typical entry level contract is? Anyone have an idea or know where you can find out?

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                              Re: Anyone else sick of seeing underclassman leave schoo early?

                              Originally posted by CHFAN222 View Post
                              Can you really blame the kids if they need the money? I mean if they stay as NCAA athletes they actually are limited in how much money they can earn at a job while in schools due to scandals in other sports . We don't know each players financial position so it's not fair to judge them.
                              are you serious? its a pretty safe bet that none of them came from the ghetto. lol this isn't a kid from the projects who had to learn to rap or develop a jump shot in order to avoid selling crack. in fact, the majority of them come from money of some sort. hockey isn't cheap to begin playing, and its even more expensive to maintain playing especially if you are seeking to be the best of the best. all of them are white, generally come from cities that aren't dumps, and have parents that don't work at Subway.

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