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    So in looking at the game box summaries on the www.collegehocketstats website they use a number of letters to designate various shortcuts. Most of them I get -

    GW game winner
    HT hat trick
    SH shorthanded goal
    PP power play
    EA extra attacker

    but for the life of me I cannot figure out what they mean when they use LL associated with scoring a goal. Little help

  • #2
    Re: Little help

    Originally posted by gfan View Post
    So in looking at the game box summaries on the www.collegehocketstats website they use a number of letters to designate various shortcuts. Most of them I get -

    GW game winner
    HT hat trick
    SH shorthanded goal
    PP power play
    EA extra attacker

    but for the life of me I cannot figure out what they mean when they use LL associated with scoring a goal. Little help
    I believe that LL stands for "last lead" (as in the final go-ahead goal)

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    • #3
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      Originally posted by d3follower View Post
      I believe that LL stands for "last lead" (as in the final go-ahead goal)
      That's correct. It the goal that gives the winning team a lead that they don't give up.

      If hockey used the same scoring rules as baseball that would be the game winning goal.
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        Originally posted by d3follower View Post
        I believe that LL stands for "last lead" (as in the final go-ahead goal)
        I certainly could be wrong, as I do not know for certain, but I have always thought LL was "Lost Lead" (or tie if 0-0), used to determine the goalie who gets the loss. Though "Last Lead"/"Lasting Lead" could be it.
        Last edited by norm1909; 04-10-2011, 06:50 AM.
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        • #5
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          Thanks much....sometimes the LL is also the GW but sometimes it is not as the other team can come back to tie but never lead.....

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            Originally posted by norm1909 View Post
            I certainly could be wrong, as I do not know for certain, but I have always thought LL was "Lost Lead" (or tie if 0-0), used to determine the goalie who gets the loss. Though "Last Lead"/"Lasting Lead" could be it.
            The LL goal always goes from a tie to the lead. If you were ahead and a goal scores to tie it, you've lost the lead, but not gotten an LL. In baseball, the losing pitcher is the one who gives up the LL Run. Isn't the loser in hockey the Goalie who gives up the GWG? That I'm not so sure of.

            Originally posted by gfan View Post
            Thanks much....sometimes the LL is also the GW but sometimes it is not as the other team can come back to tie but never lead.....
            If the other team comes back to tie, that goal can't be the LL. Example a team goes up 1-0, then 2-0, 3-0,4-0, Other team scores, two goals 4-1, 4-2. LL is the first goal, GW is the third goal. The other team never lead, so the first goal was the LL, but the GWG is the n+1 st goal if your opponents score n goals
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              Originally posted by NUProf View Post
              The LL goal always goes from a tie to the lead. If you were ahead and a goal scores to tie it, you've lost the lead, but not gotten an LL. In baseball, the losing pitcher is the one who gives up the LL Run. Isn't the loser in hockey the Goalie who gives up the GWG? That I'm not so sure of...
              True - The LL goal always goes from a tie to the lead, at any tie, NOT just 0-0.
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                Originally posted by NUProf View Post
                The LL goal always goes from a tie to the lead. If you were ahead and a goal scores to tie it, you've lost the lead, but not gotten an LL. In baseball, the losing pitcher is the one who gives up the LL Run. Isn't the loser in hockey the Goalie who gives up the GWG? That I'm not so sure of.
                You're correct about the GWG, whoever gives it up is the losing goalie.

                That means if someone comes in with their team down 4-0, gives up a goal right away and then doesn't give up another goal they'll still get the loss if their team comes back and scores 4 goals.

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by one_to7 View Post
                  You're correct about the GWG, whoever gives it up is the losing goalie.

                  That means if someone comes in with their team down 4-0, gives up a goal right away and then doesn't give up another goal they'll still get the loss if their team comes back and scores 4 goals.
                  So if that goalie is pulled at the 4-4 tie, and the incoming goalie gives up the tie breaker, the initial goalie gets the loss and the incoming goalie gets a "no contest"?
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                    Originally posted by norm1909 View Post
                    So if that goalie is pulled at the 4-4 tie, and the incoming goalie gives up the tie breaker, the initial goalie gets the loss and the incoming goalie gets a "no contest"?
                    no - the goalie who gives up the GWG gets the loss

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by norm1909 View Post
                      So if that goalie is pulled at the 4-4 tie, and the incoming goalie gives up the tie breaker, the initial goalie gets the loss and the incoming goalie gets a "no contest"?
                      Nope, because the 2nd goalie gave up the game winning goal.

                      Originally posted by d3follower View Post
                      no - the goalie who gives up the GWG gets the loss
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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by one_to7 View Post
                        Nope, because the 2nd goalie gave up the game winning goal.


                        Ding!
                        Premise: That means if someone comes in with their team down 4-0, gives up a goal right away and then doesn't give up another goal they'll still get the loss if their team comes back and scores 4 goals.

                        If the incoming goalie, comes in down 4-0, and his team scores 4 goals and he doesn't give up the game winning goal, why would the first goalie get the loss, since the game ended as a 4-4 tie?
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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by norm1909 View Post
                          Premise: That means if someone comes in with their team down 4-0, gives up a goal right away and then doesn't give up another goal they'll still get the loss if their team comes back and scores 4 goals.

                          If the incoming goalie, comes in down 4-0, and his team scores 4 goals and he doesn't give up the game winning goal, why would the first goalie get the loss, since the game ended as a 4-4 tie?
                          The goalies who are in the game when the game tieing goal is scored get the credit/blame for the tie on their record. In a game with a decision, the goalie in the game for the winnners when the GWG scores gets the win (as long as he plays at least 30 minutes) and the goalie in the game for the losers get the loss. It's the same rule as baseball, except that the game winning run is baseball is the LL goal in hockey.
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                            Kinda far-fetched question, but as long as we're on the subject: in a game where no goaltender on the winning team logs 30 minutes (a three-goalie affair, for example), does GWG or minutes played take precedence?
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                              Originally posted by NUProf View Post
                              The goalies who are in the game when the game tieing goal is scored get the credit/blame for the tie on their record. In a game with a decision, the goalie in the game for the winnners when the GWG scores gets the win (as long as he plays at least 30 minutes) and the goalie in the game for the losers get the loss. It's the same rule as baseball, except that the game winning run is baseball is the LL goal in hockey.
                              So if the goalie is pulled with a tie because it is potentially the last game of the season and their team needs to win to continue, yet an empty net goal is scored ending their season, then no one gets the loss?
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