Hobey Hat Trick

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Even if you were correctly interpreting the quote from Rico about Miele's "academic issue", this is still a pretty sad reach.

But by all means continue

Struggling to get into college academically is in no way comparable to criminal behavior or getting kicked off a team. Miele's issue is comically minor compared to the ones faced by the other two finalists.

Academics is one of the four main criteria. I'm not trying to "compare" it to anything. I'm merely stating that Miele has issues with one of the four core criteria, just like Atkinson and Frattin have issues with a different criteria. Again, this is all if you are looking at past results.

Personally, and this is important since people assume incorrectly that I think the other way, I think that the only thing that matters for this year's Hobey is this year's results. Miele's academic issues and Frattin and Atkinson's issues with the law should have no impact on this year's Hobey winner as they happened years ago. I've made it quite clear in my previous statements. I thought I made it VERY clear in this post...

I would never argue that Frattin (or Miele or Atkinson) should get extra credit for his issues. I look at the award as something that is based only on this year. All three candidates were solid in all core criteria this year. There are some though that want to look at past years, and if you do that, then you have to look at the issues with all three candidates, whether it happened two, three or four years ago.

Again, I feel that all three candidates are deserving of the award.

FWIW, I've already stated (several times) that Miele will win, and that he will have deserved to win, regardless of any issues with any of the candidates. He is simply one of the best players in college hockey.

[Runninwiththedogs]

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Even if you were correctly interpreting the quote from Rico about Miele's "academic issue", this is still a pretty sad reach.

But by all means continue

Indeed, the academic issue could come down to simply the NCAA clearinghouse being annoying.

Is anyone questioning Taylor Dickin's eligibility because the NCAA clearinghouse wasted their time twiddling their thumbs before finally clearing him? No. So unless you know what the academic issue is, then shut up. We KNOW what Frattin and Atkinson's issues are.

[Dirty]

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I know what Miele's issue is. He's dumber than a 64 color box of Crayolas that has a broken crayon sharpener and 12 colors missing.

[Happy]

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I know what Miele's issue is. He's dumber than a 64 color box of Crayolas that has a broken crayon sharpener and 12 colors missing.

but, he is smart enough to wear his socks when it is cold outside. just saying.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Indeed, the academic issue could come down to simply the NCAA clearinghouse being annoying.

Is anyone questioning Taylor Dickin's eligibility because the NCAA clearinghouse wasted their time twiddling their thumbs before finally clearing him? No. So unless you know what the academic issue is, then shut up. We KNOW what Frattin and Atkinson's issues are.

At the time, fans were speculating that he wasn't able to get through clearinghouse due to low test scores, and was strongly considering going the OHL route. I would consider that academic issues.

I have NEVER questioned Miele's eligibility. You should really think before you put words in people's mouths.

[Dirty]

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but, he is smart enough to wear his socks when it is cold outside. just saying.

That's pure speculation and I wouldn't be so sure. He barely qualified for a school Ben Rothlisberger got into.

[MUnRPI]

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don't fight guys. we all <3 hockey! whoever wins they deserve it, and there's nothing us posters can do about it. An old southern man once told me "don't worry bout nothin' you can't do nothin' about." I think that applies to the 2011 Hobey Race

[Runninwiththedogs]

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At the time, fans were speculating that he wasn't able to get through clearinghouse due to low test scores, and was strongly considering going the OHL route. I would consider that academic issues.

I have NEVER questioned Miele's eligibility. You should really think before you put words in people's mouths.

And I NEVER said you did. I was using Dickin as an example of a player who had a problem that at face value looked bad but wasn't actually in a bad situation. YOU should really heed your own advice, honey.

And "at the time, fans were speculating" is not factual. Arrest records? Factual.

[Bakunin]

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He barely qualified for a school Ben Rothlisberger got into.

Did big Ben rape his way in?

Was the school asking for it?

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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And I NEVER said you did. I was using Dickin as an example of a player who had a problem that at face value looked bad but wasn't actually in a bad situation. YOU should really heed your own advice, honey.

And "at the time, fans were speculating" is not factual. Arrest records? Factual.

Then why even bring up Dickin? He isn't in the running for the Hobey Baker, and probably never will be. If you are using Dickin, then I could just as easily bring up the thousands of wrongfully convicted people in the country and say "See...look at them...maybe Frattin or Atkinson was wrongfully convicted!!". It is a losing argument...honey.

As for Miele, it certainly looks like it was more than just the Clearinghouse taking longer than normal...

http://ushlhockey.blogspot.com/2008/...ndy-miele.html

There were questions about which direction Miele would go, as the rumor was he wasn't able to get into college. The OHL's Plymouth Whalers sounded interested in his services, but Miele was finally college eligible, but not until January of 08.

It sounded like Miele was really considering Plymouth, but getting through clearinghouse changed that and he should be a huge asset for the Redhawks down the stretch.

At the end of the day, I don't really care one way or the other if Miele had academic issues. As I've said several times, I only care about what happened this year. I think Miele will win, and if he does he will be a great Hobey Baker winner. The committee, which is really the only body that matters in this, picked the right 3 candidates. They were the best three players in the top three conferences and all three deserve this honor.

[Dirty]

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Did big Ben rape his way in?

Was the school asking for it?

He raped the coach and the president. So yes.

[Runninwiththedogs]

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Did big Ben rape his way in?

Was the school asking for it?

I believe the school was wearing a short skirt.

FS 23, do you understand what the word rumor means? And I brought up Dickin because he had clearinghouse issues too. He isn't the first, but he's someone you'd be familiar with AND his issues weren't anything major. But if someone wanted to, they could try to discredit him by saying he had trouble getting through the NCAA clearinghouse. You should be embarrassed that I had to explain it to you.

[SoCalSiouxFan]

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To win the Hobey Baker award shouldn't a candidate at least be a college student.
Frattin is the only candidate that is a college student.

http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=558067

Miele will fly into Phoenix tomorrow (Sunday) and will join the Coyotes for practice on Monday at 11:00 a.m. at Jobing.com Arena.

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2011/4...ts-springfield

Cam Atkinson Adds Goal, Assist In Professional Debut

It is disgraceful to see how some atheletes drop out of school in the middle of the semester like that. Obviously they really do not value their college education that much or they would have stayed in school.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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FS 23, do you understand what the word rumor means? And I brought up Dickin because he had clearinghouse issues too. He isn't the first, but he's someone you'd be familiar with AND his issues weren't anything major. But if someone wanted to, they could try to discredit him by saying he had trouble getting through the NCAA clearinghouse. You should be embarrassed that I had to explain it to you.

Dickin's issues have absolutely nothing to do with Miele's issues. If it makes you feel better to insult someone's intelligence rather than come up with a better argument, then I understand.

Anyway, I don't care anymore. Whoever wins the Hobey, they deserved it. The three individuals were the only three deserving of the award, so I'm glad the committee got that correct.

[SoCalSiouxFan]

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NY Times - Matt Frattin Article

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/sp...3&pagewanted=1