Coaching Changes - 2011 Offseason Edition

[WHKY blogger]

Post em if you got em!

Saw the first few in the NCAA Market over the weekend.

College of Saint Benedict - Women's Head Hockey Coach/ Administrative

Elmira College - Assistant Women's Ice Hockey & Head JV Coach

Plymouth State University - Head Women's Ice Hockey Coach

[dontyelldad]

Re: Coaching Changes - 2011 Offseason Edition

Post em if you got em!

Saw the first few in the NCAA Market over the weekend.

College of Saint Benedict - Women's Head Hockey Coach/ Administrative

Elmira College - Assistant Women's Ice Hockey & Head JV Coach

Plymouth State University - Head Women's Ice Hockey Coach

Interesting: Elmira Assistant Coach/JV Coach is full time; PSU Head Coach, part time. Disappointing that they haven't made a full time commitment to the program.

[Ironman33]

Re: Coaching Changes - 2011 Offseason Edition

Elmira's is a grad assistantship...not really full-time.

[dontyelldad]

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Elmira's is a grad assistantship...not really full-time.

I was just going from the job description:

"Employer: Elmira College Type: Full Time - Experienced"

As compared to:

"Employer: Plymouth State University/Department of Athletics Type: Part Time - Experienced"

And: "Plymouth State University is accepting applications for the part-time position of Head Women’s Ice Hockey Coach."

... But I do see the Elmira description says that it's a grad assistant position....

[imafan]

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I think Concordia, MN has a job opening, but I have not seen anything posted. This years' coach was an interim coach.

[WIrinkrat]

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According to a friend who inquired about the position, Plymouth is paying 9k-15k depending on experience, and is not willing to help employ the person in another capacity at the University.

Kind of a sad indictment of the schools desire (or lack thereof) to build a successful program.

The part time position wouldn't be ideal in any situation, but would at least be understandable and workable if they were willing to help a qualified coach make the job full time with other responsibilities on campus. Short of that it's going to be next to impossible to get anyone other than someone local or someone who has just graduated college.

[surgical wit da puck]

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It's not on the NCAA listings anymore, but earlier in the season there was a posting for Wesleyan, did that get filled?

[creasemonkey]

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Harvard is looking for an Assistant Coach. Looks like Ruzzi left.

[NUProf]

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According to a friend who inquired about the position, Plymouth is paying 9k-15k depending on experience, and is not willing to help employ the person in another capacity at the University.

Kind of a sad indictment of the schools desire (or lack thereof) to build a successful program.

The part time position wouldn't be ideal in any situation, but would at least be understandable and workable if they were willing to help a qualified coach make the job full time with other responsibilities on campus. Short of that it's going to be next to impossible to get anyone other than someone local or someone who has just graduated college.

Plymouth moved from club to varsity the same year Norwich did. The comparison of the two programs shows the polar opposite extremes of institutional commitment to building a program. The final season standings show the effect. One team wins it all. The other team is the only team in the ECAC East not to qualify for the playoffs.

[Hux]

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Plymouth moved from club to varsity the same year Norwich did. The comparison of the two programs shows the polar opposite extremes of institutional commitment to building a program. The final season standings show the effect. One team wins it all. The other team is the only team in the ECAC East not to qualify for the playoffs.

That is the difference between a small private school with a hockey tradition in a hockey crazed market, and a small public school without tradition in a down economy.

[WIrinkrat]

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That is the difference between a small private school with a hockey tradition in a hockey crazed market, and a small public school without tradition in a down economy.

i agree and i disagree. if youre going to invest in a rink for your programs you can at least invest in a full time hockey coach, even if you're paying them 25,000 a year instead of 15,000. it's not much, but you can get by on that in NH and dedicate your full attention to trying to build the program.

i dunno where rink funds came from, but if they were largely donated, then whoever contributed should have done so with the stipulation that the school be willing to at least make a minimum full time commitment to their programs so they had a chance at being successful.

[NUProf]

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i agree and i disagree. if youre going to invest in a rink for your programs you can at least invest in a full time hockey coach, even if you're paying them 25,000 a year instead of 15,000. it's not much, but you can get by on that in NH and dedicate your full attention to trying to build the program.

i dunno where rink funds came from, but if they were largely donated, then whoever contributed should have done so with the stipulation that the school be willing to at least make a minimum full time commitment to their programs so they had a chance at being successful.

I'm told that the Plymouth State Rink is a nice facility. Certainly there are challenges for schools like Plymouth in a state that doesn't provide well for its state colleges. Of course, Castleton has done at least a little bit better on the women's side than Plymouth, and done very well on the men's side. Vermont has the lowest level of state support for state colleges.

[Hux]

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i agree and i disagree. if youre going to invest in a rink for your programs you can at least invest in a full time hockey coach, even if you're paying them 25,000 a year instead of 15,000. it's not much, but you can get by on that in NH and dedicate your full attention to trying to build the program.

i dunno where rink funds came from, but if they were largely donated, then whoever contributed should have done so with the stipulation that the school be willing to at least make a minimum full time commitment to their programs so they had a chance at being successful.

Easier said than done. The rink funding came at a time before the economy tanked. I also suspect the funding for the rink was geared more towards providing facilities for the students and local populace than the hockey teams.

[WIrinkrat]

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Easier said than done. The rink funding came at a time before the economy tanked. I also suspect the funding for the rink was geared more towards providing facilities for the students and local populace than the hockey teams.

perhaps so, but the economy is not a good enough excuse to me. it's not like plymouth was a thriving metropolis before the economy went bad.

regardless, they still made a conscious decision before the bottom fell out of the economy to add hockey...but they didn't support the program then either. The head coaching salary, according to my friend referenced above who also applied the first time around, is actually a few grand higher now than it was a few years ago. you can't really use the economy as a scapegoat when the program hasn't be supported in better economical times.

if they couldn't make at least a minimum effort to support their program in a good economy, then they probably should have either added a sport that was cheaper to administer and operate, or they should have been cutting sports.

[OneTimer]

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Yale - http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs#/detail/4113665