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NUProf
03-15-2011, 10:32 AM
We know the NCAA claims that the term "Frozen Four" is only allowed for DI Men's and Women's Championship rounds, but look at the following headlines fromthe NCAA's own website: (http://www.ncaa.com/sports/icehockey-men/d3)


Oswego makes return to Frozen Four


<< Men's Ice Hockey News
Cadets Edge Plattsburgh in 3-2 OT

Norwich makes return trip to Frozen Four


St. Norbert goes on to Frozen Four


Adrian scores first tournament win
The Adrian Bulldogs staged a historic comeback with five straight goals, all at even strength, and propelled themselves into the NCAA Division III Frozen Four with a 5-3 win over Elmira.

Interesting - the next thing we know, maybe they'll allow Poland Spring Water at the Division III Frozen Four

XYZ
03-15-2011, 10:34 AM
Interesting - the next thing we know, maybe they'll allow Poland Spring Water at the Division III Frozen Four

Aquafina. Prepare for battle!!!

ADRdogs
03-15-2011, 10:55 AM
Do what we say, not as we do.

LakerFan99
03-15-2011, 10:58 AM
Ok, this one is new to me. Why does the NCAA only allow "Frozen Four" for D-I?

bigmrg74
03-15-2011, 11:21 AM
Ok, this one is new to me. Why does the NCAA only allow "Frozen Four" for D-I?
Sematics.

norm1909
03-15-2011, 11:23 AM
Ok, this one is new to me. Why does the NCAA only allow "Frozen Four" for D-I?

The complete list of NCAA Trademarks is here (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/corp_relations/corprel/corporate+relationships/corporate+alliances/trademarks.html).

A good descriptive Memorandum is here (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/76daee80443106909c959e6bcdc87ae7/2010_11_Ambush_Online.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=76daee80443106909c959e6bcdc87ae7).

But the bottom line is --- MONEY!!!! (Licensing Fees).

PrezdeJohnson09
03-15-2011, 12:54 PM
We know the NCAA claims that the term "Frozen Four" is only allowed for DI Men's and Women's Championship rounds, but look at the following headlines fromthe NCAA's own website: (http://www.ncaa.com/sports/icehockey-men/d3)

Interesting - the next thing we know, maybe they'll allow Poland Spring Water at the Division III Frozen Four

I saw this on Sunday morning when I looked at the NCAA's site.

I found it intriguing and I'll have to remember to reference this if i slip up sometime in the near future. :)

OSUPBPMike
03-15-2011, 01:07 PM
In any basketball tournament, last four teams = final four
In any hockey tournament, last four teams = frozen four

seems sensible to me

AC09
03-15-2011, 01:30 PM
In any basketball tournament, last four teams = final four
In any hockey tournament, last four teams = frozen four

seems sensible to me

logical indeed.

XYZ
03-15-2011, 01:41 PM
logical indeed.

And this is where the wheels fall off...

NUProf
03-15-2011, 01:44 PM
And this is where the wheels fall off...

NCAA + logic = contradiction. Therefore original assumption of logic is false. QED, eom

NorthernLite
03-15-2011, 01:45 PM
And this is where the blades fall off...

....fixed your post....after all this is about hockey.

MW4Bucky&SNC
03-15-2011, 01:48 PM
NU Prof, funny you bring up the water thing which we recall from a few years ago. The PGA is just as bad. I'm not 100% sure of the brand, although I think it is Aquafina also, but at the PGA in Kohler this summer they surprisingly allowed you to carry in bottled water but if it was any brand other than their sponsor you had to rip the label off at the gate.

NUProf
03-15-2011, 01:51 PM
NU Prof, funny you bring up the water thing which we recall from a few years ago. The PGA is just as bad. I'm not 100% sure of the brand, although I think it is Aquafina also, but at the PGA in Kohler this summer they surprisingly allowed you to carry in bottled water but if it was any brand other than their sponsor you had to rip the label off at the gate.

Surprising that they let you in with it. If were the PGA tour instead of the PGA of America running that you could be sure they'd play the commercial aspects of that to the hilt.

MW4Bucky&SNC
03-15-2011, 02:00 PM
They were surprisingly reasonable on the water carry-in. I have an unconfirmed rumor people who tried to sneak in cameras or phones were taken out back behind the sponsor tents and shot execution style, but the water was no big deal as long as there were no conflicting labels.

Russell Jaslow
03-15-2011, 02:17 PM
We know the NCAA claims that the term "Frozen Four" is only allowed for DI Men's and Women's Championship rounds, but look at the following headlines fromthe NCAA's own website: (http://www.ncaa.com/sports/icehockey-men/d3)

Interesting - the next thing we know, maybe they'll allow Poland Spring Water at the Division III Frozen Four

Most of these press releases and stories on ncaa.com are written by student interns who only work there for a semester. They probably have no clue what the rules and standards are. And obviously, no one is really editing them.

One year, one of them "ripped" off a story by Chris Lerch almost word for word, just changing a few things here and there. The NCAA reached an "out of court" settlement with Lerchie... :p

PrezdeJohnson09
03-15-2011, 02:19 PM
In any basketball tournament, last four teams = final four
In any hockey tournament, last four teams = frozen four

seems sensible to me

Mike,

Just as a heads up. I would refrain from calling it the FF while you're in the press box and calling the games. Webb has informed me they can pull credentials if the phrase is used inproperly.

XYZ
03-15-2011, 02:26 PM
While we're at it...

http://hollywebb.smugmug.com/photos/1217402432_YePik-M.jpg

UCBadger
03-15-2011, 10:37 PM
The term "March Madness" started with the Illinois high school b-ball tournament and was used as early as 1939. I remember the term commonly used for the Ill high school state tournament in the late 1960's. The Illinois High School Association is co-owner of the trademark with the NCAA. The two jointly own the March Madness Athletic Association LLC which licenses the term to the NCAA and one would guess licenses the term to the IHSA for high school usage.

bigmrg74
03-16-2011, 09:34 AM
While we're at it...

http://hollywebb.smugmug.com/photos/1217402432_YePik-M.jpg

Nice hypermobile thumb there.