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joecct
03-07-2011, 09:14 AM
Castleton got absolutely screwed. I have never seen a team with a 22-4 record in an established conference that was highly ranked both in NCAA and USCHO polls throughout the year and does not get in because of a Neuman team, who supposively plays in a tough division however their conference has only contributed to 1 national championship, thats all. Please someone find me a NESCAC or a ECAC East team that went 22-4 and did not get into the tournament.

Neuman and Wisc. Superior getting in over Castleton. This selection committee is an absolute joke. Norwich has to play in a play-in game while Elmira gets a first round bye?

What a joke.Then don't play Potsdam, Brockport, Becker or Johnson & Wales. Play more top end SUNYAC with one each from MASCAC and ECAC-NE.

Norwich Third Bencher
03-07-2011, 09:14 AM
Could see a Oswego-Plattsburgh Final. Would love to see the Cards win... Well looks like I will be standing in line again for 8+ hours for tickets.

As soon as the Norwich on-line ticket office opens I'll have tickets within minutes. This is 2011, ya know?

EC809
03-07-2011, 09:18 AM
Elmira got the biggest screwing:rolleyes:

WOW!! I can not believe my eyes. That is fine. They will run over them in their own barn. Adrian has never seen speed and 4 lines like the Soaring Eagles!! GO EC !! To bad NCAA could have had about 2000-2500 fans instead of the 500,capacity listed on USCHO.
Hope I can be there. Might not. Other hockey commitments. DAMM

dmac1103
03-07-2011, 09:22 AM
I don't see that it makes a difference in terms of the FF field. There's one West guaranteed, two East guaranteed and the Adrian/Elmira pairing. Would have been the same choices with Castleton instead of UWS.

If anything, it makes it harder for the MIAC champ to get to Ridder

I agree if the FF was in the east this year Castleton would be in and UWS out and Adrian would be traveling to Elmira. Everything else would stay the same.

Ozz
03-07-2011, 09:23 AM
Castleton got absolutely screwed. I have never seen a team with a 22-4 record in an established conference that was highly ranked both in NCAA and USCHO polls throughout the year and does not get in because of a Neuman team, who supposively plays in a tough division however their conference has only contributed to 1 national championship, thats all. Please someone find me a NESCAC or a ECAC East team that went 22-4 and did not get into the tournament.

Neuman and Wisc. Superior getting in over Castleton. This selection committee is an absolute joke. Norwich has to play in a play-in game while Elmira gets a first round bye?

What a joke.

Elmira deserved a bye more so than Norwich did..

GoBullDogsGo
03-07-2011, 09:24 AM
WOW!! I can not believe my eyes. That is fine. They will run over them in their own barn. Adrian has never seen speed and 4 lines like the Soaring Eagles!! GO EC !! To bad NCAA could have had about 2000-2500 fans instead of the 500,capacity listed on USCHO.
Hope I can be there. Might not. Other hockey commitments. DAMM

I hope the Soaring Eagles are coming to the game with EXACTLY that mindset. BTW, we had 1000 people at both games on the weekend. Hope you enjoy your trip to Adrian. Safe drive.:cool:

one_to7
03-07-2011, 09:26 AM
A) 4 loses?? See Adrian from a couple years ago.
B) Castleton and UWS were probably the last two from each region selected. As has already been pointed out, UWS and Castleton tied criteria but UWS had a gigantic lead in SOS which probably trumps Castletons winning %. Yes, several teams would have beat out UWS, but the East region had Castleton next, of which UWS wins...its not that hard to figure out.
http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0304/schedules/stjm

it's happened out west as well. It was the right (but tough) call back then as well.

CardinalSin
03-07-2011, 09:30 AM
I like Elmira's chances in that pairing , nothing is easy at this time of year but iElmira might be a little more than the Dogs can handle .

eagle beagle
03-07-2011, 09:32 AM
The East committee got played on that one :D

What it amounted to - it was easier to change the seeding than worry about flying a team (Plattsburrgh @Adrian or vice versa is over 500 miles). The NCAA used pocketbook criteria rather than the facts

NUProf
03-07-2011, 09:35 AM
I agree if the FF was in the east this year Castleton would be in and UWS out and Adrian would be traveling to Elmira. Everything else would stay the same.

Neither of those choices had anything to do with the location of the FF. If they were going to "stack" the FF, they would have set up a bracket with 4 byes in the West and guaranteed two teams. I thought Castleton would be in, but SOS issues did them in. As for Adrian hosting, the East committee blew it by switching Plattsburgh and Elmira. The handbook requires the higher seed (W2) to host the lower seed (E3) if the rink is suitable, available, and a bid was placed.

NUProf
03-07-2011, 09:37 AM
What it amounted to - it was easier to change the seeding than worry about flying a team (Plattsburrgh @Adrian or vice versa is over 500 miles). The NCAA used pocketbook criteria rather than the facts

The could still have sent Adrian to Elmira if both were two seeds. Geography determined the matchup. Seedings determined the venue. In women's hockey the top seed RIT has to play Adrian because of geography, even though they should have been given a bye.

There is a provision that allows geographical proximity to determine matchups, regardless of seeding

Russell Jaslow
03-07-2011, 09:40 AM
highly ranked ... and USCHO polls throughout the year

Which means absolutely NOTHING in the selection process.


nd does not get in because of a Neuman team, who supposively plays in a tough division however their conference has only contributed to 1 national championship, thats all.

Which means absolutely NOTHING in the selection process.

But, I do nominate you for the biggest whine post on this thread...

Tucker6
03-07-2011, 09:44 AM
Its shocking enough that UWS got in, but how did they manage home ice over a conference champ that was and still is rated higher in most stats.

NUProf
03-07-2011, 09:46 AM
Its shocking enough that UWS got in, but how did they manage home ice over a conference champ that was and still is rated higher in most stats.

Hamline's rink has no ice as of today. They don't control the facility and today was "melt day"

jconnor
03-07-2011, 09:46 AM
WOW!! I can not believe my eyes. That is fine. They will run over them in their own barn. Adrian has never seen speed and 4 lines like the Soaring Eagles!! GO EC !! To bad NCAA could have had about 2000-2500 fans instead of the 500,capacity listed on USCHO.
Hope I can be there. Might not. Other hockey commitments. DAMM

I was trying to be sarcastic, hence the smilely. I was counting on a game this weekend and now that won't happen but I can live with this, at least we get a week to get ready.
Your thoughts about this game? You think we take it?

Russell Jaslow
03-07-2011, 10:02 AM
Hamline's rink has no ice as of today. They don't control the facility and today was "melt day"

They could make a request to the NCAA to play roller hockey...

MW4Bucky&SNC
03-07-2011, 10:03 AM
WOW!! I can not believe my eyes. That is fine. They will run over them in their own barn. Adrian has never seen speed and 4 lines like the Soaring Eagles!! GO EC !! To bad NCAA could have had about 2000-2500 fans instead of the 500,capacity listed on USCHO.
Hope I can be there. Might not. Other hockey commitments. DAMM
They saw speed and 4 lines last year at SNC in the tournament. While they got off to a rough start Adrian made it a heck of a game by the time it was all said and done. Elmira may very well win on Saturday but don't doubt for a second whether Adrian can hang.

Overall I was shocked to see Superior make it. They have the talent of a tournament team but I just didn't figure the actual performance would get things done. We've seen the Eastern Committee outplay the Western Committee a time or two in recent years but we'll chalk this one up for the cats from the West stacking things right.

AldenPartridge1819
03-07-2011, 10:30 AM
This is not a complaint, just a question:

Has a Pool-C team ever had as many losses as Superior has this year?

I don't really feel like searching for that info. Maybe someone knows?

KnightsOfTheRound
03-07-2011, 10:58 AM
Here's another not-a-complaint-its-a-question-I-swear:

By the NCAA criteria, is it better to lose to a good team (read: a ranked team) or to a bad one (a not ranked team, heck not even a good team)?

If the answer is what I think it is, I think the NCAA values these losses differently than most fans of the game do.

vcxc3200
03-07-2011, 11:03 AM
I'm almost starting to sympathize with castleton a little..... i don't care where they're from or who they may have played, but a 12 loss team should not make the ncaa tournament in this sport. that's an absolute farce.

they don't pick by region in basketball..... the committee selects what are, within reasonable guidelines, the best teams. why we can't do that in ice hockey never ceases to amaze me.

i went an entire post without mentioning my team that starts with u..... do i get a gold star?