I recently read the article about Paul Stewart having it out with reporters and read the comments about the officiating. Is the officiating bad? Are there any good referees or linesman in the league?
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Yes, officiating is bad. Stewart needs to go; officiating has gotten noticeably worse during his tenure, and his reaction to honest complaint shows that he's not paying attention.Not a real doctor, nor do I play one on TV!
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FreddyC, I see this is your first post, welcome to USCHO. I think you might get to know a few RPI guys pretty quickly. IMO opinion the officiating I have seen at approximately 15 Yale games this year has been decent with a couple bad games and a couple good ones. But we all know that no one hardly ever talks about how good the officiating is, so this is a pretty loaded subject.YALE HOCKEY
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Originally posted by FreddyC View PostI recently read the article about Paul Stewart having it out with reporters and read the comments about the officiating. Is the officiating bad? Are there any good referees or linesman in the league?
Yes, there are good referees and good linesmen. Most of the referees I believe are good in the ECAC have been hired within the last couple of years, or I've just never noticed them. A sign of a good referee is when you don't notice them on the ice. Most of the referees about which we complain have been around the league for quite a while.
We pay to watch the players put on a show, not to watch the refs put on a show. I think it was last week on Coach's Corner that Don Cherry had a 20 second clip of linesmen throwing centers out of the faceoff circles, and then complaining about how fans are paying to watch the refs put on a show. Obviously there's a happy medium to make sure the game doesn't get out of hand, but it's a tough thing to do for probably about $150 a game plus travel reimbursement.
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostObviously there's a happy medium to make sure the game doesn't get out of hand, but it's a tough thing to do for probably about $150 a game plus travel reimbursement.
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Originally posted by ScoobyFanClub View PostThat's a key point. We expect greatness out of these guys. They're not even getting paid what minor league refs get paid - although some do both.
I have seen Feola do AHL games as a linesman (actually at a Crunch game this year), I believe Frank Murphy (who is no longer with the ECAC) does AHL.
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostI don't know what the rate is for referees. I'm guessing it's about $150 to $200 plus travel. I know for soccer/basketball/baseball referees where I went to high school it was $70 plus travel when I was there, probably up to about $80 a game plus travel by now.
I have seen Feola do AHL games as a linesman (actually at a Crunch game this year), I believe Frank Murphy (who is no longer with the ECAC) does AHL.
I know the Missouri Valley upped its basketball referee pay a few years back to match the BCS conferences. A ref's rate is based in part on experience and part on the day of the week (Wed and Saturday games were considered premium dates since most games are played on those 2 days). But a ref with Final Four experience working a Saturday game in the Valley would get a $1200 check; a ref with average experience (say 5 years and a few conference tournament games) stood to collect $900 for the same game. Now that didn't include travel, but still not a bad check for a 2 hour game.
Hockey's going to be nowhere close to that, but I wouldn't be surprised if WCHA refs made $300-$400/game, with linesmen getting half that.
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As others have said, there are good referees and some referees that could use some improvement.
From what I've been able to discern, there is a difference between a 'static' analysis and a 'dynamic' analysis, and most of the complaints actually go toward the lack of improvement over time.
It is a truism that to improve one needs to learn from one's mistakes. However, if one never admits to mistakes, then one is unable to learn and improve.
By insisting that the referees never make mistakes, the league is merely saying that there will be no improvement. Much of the controversy could be defused by saying, 'oops, accidents happen, sorry, we'll try to do better next time.'
Accidents are random events that afflict teams in an unfortunate way. People would be unhappy that an accident cost them a game; they'd make peace and then move on. It is the refusal to acknowledge the mistake that upsets people far more than the mistake itself, imho.
Look at that major league umpire that cost a pitcher a perfect game. He acknowledged his mistake and apologized to the player right away. The player accepted the apology. He still did not have the perfect game; yet any controversy was defused right away.
There is no way we will see video replay in college hockey; too expensive and too unreliable (except maybe in NCAAs?? who knows?). However, if there is clear video evidence that the refs made a mistake, what is the problem in saying so?
By refusing to acknowledge the mistake, one is left to wonder, 'was it really an accident? or is there a vendetta?' Admitting the mistake takes away that whole element.
The league is making a mistake by not admitting that refs are human and mistakes are part of the human condition."Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."
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Originally posted by FreshFish View PostThere is no way we will see video replay in college hockey; too expensive and too unreliable (except maybe in NCAAs?? who knows?). However, if there is clear video evidence that the refs made a mistake, what is the problem in saying so?
You do know that every arena in college hockey will be wired with video technology replay by next season, right?Uncle Mickey: July 23, 1950-July 22, 2003
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I was interested because I just moved east and I am a hockey official. I am working my way up and was curious to know who the good officials are. I have attended a few Brown games and I was at one Cornell game early in the season. The article caught my eye and since Paul Stewart was an NHL referee I thought I'd join and ask.
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Originally posted by FreddyC View PostI was interested because I just moved east and I am a hockey official. I am working my way up and was curious to know who the good officials are. I have attended a few Brown games and I was at one Cornell game early in the season. The article caught my eye and since Paul Stewart was an NHL referee I thought I'd join and ask.
Are you looking to potentially ref for the ECAC? I'm sure Paul Stewart would be willing to give you some information on when tryouts are, what's involved in the test, etc. if you were to e-mail him.
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostMost of the linesmen do a pretty decent job; there really isn't anyone that pops out to mind.Go Red!!
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Originally posted by FreshFish View PostThere is no way we will see video replay in college hockey; too expensive and too unreliable (except maybe in NCAAs?? who knows?). However, if there is clear video evidence that the refs made a mistake, what is the problem in saying so?Originally posted by jericho View PostYou do know that every arena in college hockey will be wired with video technology replay by next season, right?Dance like no one's watching, sing like no one's listening, live each day as if it's your last...
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