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carltonbarrett
03-12-2011, 12:48 AM
By deep doo doo, I'm talking about like 10 wins at best.

Fishman'81
03-12-2011, 01:26 AM
By deep doo doo, I'm talking about like 10 wins at best.

Semantics.

No matter what the W/L,missing the NCAAs represents complete failure,by long-term Maine standards.

TripleE
03-12-2011, 01:54 AM
By deep doo doo, I'm talking about like 10 wins at best.

I'm a frustrated and I'm not very optimistic, but are you outside of your mind? 07/08 was the most horrendous trainwreck I've ever seen for Maine offensively. Our leading scorer had 10 goals. The team's GPG was 2.26, which would put them in a tie for 2nd to last in the conference this year. And that team won 13 games.

Even if Nyquist leaves, they're returning 3 proven, impact scorers (Abbott, Flynn, Diamond) and I fully anticipate breakout years from Beattie and Swavely. Just trust me with Swaves. Guys like Mangene (who are critical puzzle pieces, albeit not the most gifted natural finisher on the team) usually discover productivity as an upperclassman.

I'm perfectly comfortable with the more veteran version of those 6 guys manning the top 2 lines next year in some combination. And you just never know what you'll get behind them. Amestoy is spunky, tenacious, and you can't coach his kind of speed...if Anthoine takes his skating to the next level, he has an awesome shot to compliment his board banging style. So you never know what you're going to get.


To say this team is going to be markedly worse than 07/08 because Nyquist is gone is a little overboard.

walrus
03-12-2011, 08:05 AM
If Nyquist bolts after this year it's safe to say Maine is going to be in deep doo doo next year...

As far as hockey goes, Gus needs to leave, he has learned all he is going to learn on the ice in Orono. We all expect him to be gone and I for one have enjoyed his stay in Orono. He may want a degree but I imagine Detroit would like to get him going right away. I hope he isn't thinking about that tonight:D

Potato in NH
03-12-2011, 08:38 AM
I wish the best for Gus as well. He has been great to watch.

I hate thinking Maine's season will end in North Andover. I thought this team had the talent to at least get to Boston and hopefully into the NCAAs. As far as next year goes, I agree that there is more skill returning than there was in 07/08. I really like Abbott and I am not sure there are many players in Hockey East who do "more with less" than Flynn. I know Diamond is a marked man by the officials and does take bad penalties, but I like him and he has demonstrated that he has skills.

All that being said, I am far less confident that next year's team will have any chance of getting to Boston or the NCAAs. That is depressing. Hopefully Maine wins the next two games but I would not place any money on it.

Hockeypuck
03-12-2011, 08:47 AM
Even if Nyquist leaves, they're returning 3 proven, impact scorers (Abbott, Flynn, Diamond) and I fully anticipate breakout years from Beattie and Swavely. I doubt Abbott comes back. He's one of the more desirable college free agents out there and has been scouted a ton this year he'll be gone.

BobF
03-12-2011, 08:47 AM
you didn't think that when Cornell went down to his knees trying to keep a flying puck in at the blue line was one of the stupidest? The second he went down and I saw DaCosta closing in, and heading to the neutral zone, I "knew" it was a goal.

and gosh, gee whizz, I sure am glad that O'Connor did not play, I would have hated to see any maine defensemen playing rough and hitting anyone. silly bully merrimack warriors.

I like how Timmy was trying something new... a bazillion attempted touch passes and actual team play... but NOW is not the time to start something new... way too many blind touch passes and way too many turnovers all over the ice.

I really think that it is just plain "the end of an era"

Say thanks tomorrow to Nyquist, it has been a pleasure watching him

the best part of MY night was seeing BobF's face when he saw ME in a Maine jersey, NOT a Merrimack jersey. heh heh heh.

That was the best part of your night! Wow the weight I carry!:D

Last night was an entire microcosm of the season. A soft goal here, a bad turnover there and our top line a combined -8!

Love our top line, but at times they end up standing around watching hockey in the d-zone and reaching for the puck. Nemec turnover was just a killer as it led to the 2nd goal in less than a minute after it had appeared we had survived a mini-storm.

Maine was great in the 1st period, but MC showed they wanted it more in the third with the cycling down low and control along the boards.

That 4th goal was brutal and I can't tell you how many times I have uttered "how did that go in" this year!

Don't see us winning 2 in a row. Playing good down the stretch does not erase a pattern of behavior over the course of the season and that was evident last night. We'll see what kind of character Maine has if we fall behind tonight, do we quit or do we respond?

I also thought Nyquist took a leg check early in the 3rd and was not skating at full speed the remainder of the game. Hope he is okay. Gus indeed has been reason alone to watch Maine play the last 3 years. Most dynamic player we have had since P.K. and an argument could be made that he is probably one of the top 5 forwards in Maine History and I have seen them all.

Potato in NH
03-12-2011, 09:04 AM
I doubt Abbott comes back. He's one of the more desirable college free agents out there and has been scouted a ton this year he'll be gone.

I don't doubt this at all. Hopefully you are wrong, but if it does come true, I retract everything about next year's team being at least competitive. Losing Abbott and Nyquist next year, Maine will be worse off than a one legged man is an ### kicking contest.

Perhaps more infuriating will be a certain coach who will use them both leaving early as an excuse until 2014.

AMC
03-12-2011, 09:20 AM
That game really was a perfect example of Maine's season. Anyone who thought Maine was going to win when the tying goal was scored is delusional.

Runsub5
03-12-2011, 09:23 AM
I'm a frustrated and I'm not very optimistic, but are you outside of your mind? 07/08 was the most horrendous trainwreck I've ever seen for Maine offensively. Our leading scorer had 10 goals. The team's GPG was 2.26, which would put them in a tie for 2nd to last in the conference this year. And that team won 13 games.

Even if Nyquist leaves, they're returning 3 proven, impact scorers (Abbott, Flynn, Diamond) and I fully anticipate breakout years from Beattie and Swavely. Just trust me with Swaves. Guys like Mangene (who are critical puzzle pieces, albeit not the most gifted natural finisher on the team) usually discover productivity as an upperclassman.

I'm perfectly comfortable with the more veteran version of those 6 guys manning the top 2 lines next year in some combination. And you just never know what you'll get behind them. Amestoy is spunky, tenacious, and you can't coach his kind of speed...if Anthoine takes his skating to the next level, he has an awesome shot to compliment his board banging style. So you never know what you're going to get.


To say this team is going to be markedly worse than 07/08 because Nyquist is gone is a little overboard.

A rational approach. Every college hockey team has turnover of players every year. That's one of the reasons college hockey is so exciting. The goal tending crew will also have more experience and should be improved.

BobF
03-12-2011, 09:34 AM
The goal tending crew will also have more experience and should be improved.

God I hope so! Certainly can't be worse in terms of number of soft goals!

GoBlackBears
03-12-2011, 09:41 AM
I doubt Abbott comes back. He's one of the more desirable college free agents out there and has been scouted a ton this year he'll be gone.

I don't think Abbott will be back either. He might as well start getting paid to play hockey.

GoBlackBears
03-12-2011, 09:42 AM
God I hope so! Certainly can't be worse in terms of number of soft goals!

They couldn't get any fng worse.

walrus
03-12-2011, 09:44 AM
A rational approach. Every college hockey team has turnover of players every year. That's one of the reasons college hockey is so exciting. The goal tending crew will also have more experience and should be improved.

Goaltending is the only thing that has a chance to be better, D and Forwards are going to have less depth.

BlackBear8
03-12-2011, 10:49 AM
not sure the deal with the captain this year. after a strong junior season, he seems to have fallen off, completely really. i know he is up there among the leaders in scoring, but I definitely expected more. seems like his play this year sums up the maine season. greg moore was the last captain that i felt confident with and knew could will a team to victory. house seems to have lost it since scoring the ot winner last march.

BlackBear8
03-12-2011, 10:53 AM
just so frusterated with the season. don't really know what to say. crappy weekend after crappy weekend. even with the little streak they were on, i have zero confidence. as the year moved along, was just hoping to win and not expecting to win. wow do i miss those days. think that was the feeling in the dressing room? if that is the case, all falls on the person in charge, i believe.

rufus
03-12-2011, 01:28 PM
Break out the golf clubs boys, it's TIMMAY TIME!!!!!

BobF
03-12-2011, 01:30 PM
:eek:We're 3 posts away from starting the offseason post!!!!!:D

carltonbarrett
03-12-2011, 01:46 PM
I don't doubt this at all. Hopefully you are wrong, but if it does come true, I retract everything about next year's team being at least competitive. Losing Abbott and Nyquist next year, Maine will be worse off than a one legged man is an ### kicking contest.

Perhaps more infuriating will be a certain coach who will use them both leaving early as an excuse until 2014.

Keep in mind that without Nyquist setting them up with easy tap ins, some of those guys' numbers are likely to go down. Maine may have one good line next year, but the next 3 lines are going to be pretty weak in my estimation. Throw in shaky goaltending & D and a "challenged" coach and you may be in trouble. Keep in mind as well that a lot of Maine's wins this year were against some teams who were really rebuilding this year and those W's are likely not going to be as easy to come by next year.

BobF
03-12-2011, 01:56 PM
Keep in mind that without Nyquist setting them up with easy tap ins, some of those guys' numbers are likely to go down. Maine may have one good line next year, but the next 3 lines are going to be pretty weak in my estimation. Throw in shaky goaltending & D and a "challenged" coach and you may be in trouble. Keep in mind as well that a lot of Maine's wins this year were against some teams who were really rebuilding this year and those W's are likely not going to be as easy to come by next year.

All good points. If Abbott and Flynn leave we're battling for 6th at best!

However I expect the Mack to lose considerable numbers and if they lose Cannata they will be chasing 6th as well. UNH is losing key players too! As someone else posted it is what makes each season a bit more fun as you look for different players to step up.

If we have Abbott, Flynn, Diamond, Beattie, Mangene we'll be okay as I have liked what I have seen from Swavely and Anthoine. And I think our defense will be as strong next year as the biggest d-loss in terms of stay at home guy is Van Dyk. Not gonna lose sleep over next year, and don't expect to see this team in Tampa or at any Frozen Four until we find a #1 'tender!

Not lock this baby up!