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AMC
02-21-2011, 03:35 PM
The other thing I didn't mention about those dfensemen, is that, with the exception of MacIsaac, they all had size and were taught how to use it. Shawn always said he looked for skill on offense, and size on defense, cause you could always teach defense. But it seems the teaching part is either now not being done, or just not done very well.

So you don't just bury someone like Mushaluk?

bearsFan93
02-21-2011, 04:13 PM
Good win tonight! First 3 game win streak since beating UND 2x and UVM in October! WE ARE BACK BABY!!! With this sweep we are now primed for our typical desperation "late season surge", only to fall short in the Hockey East Tournament and having to listen to TIMMAY tout how close we were, "what a learning experience this was" and how "it will make us better next year" ......rinse and repeat

This really brings me back to a year ago. I honestly thought this team would contend for a national championship.

bearsFan93
02-21-2011, 04:23 PM
So, for outrageous talking purposes, say the stars align and Maine wins a HE tourney title. What then? A four seed heading out west. Good luck with that !! :D

If they get in, they're making it to the Frozen Four, then they will get demolished.

rufus
02-21-2011, 04:23 PM
So you don't just bury someone like Mushaluk?

There's always an exception. But even Mush had his moments.

BearPaw
02-21-2011, 05:37 PM
Mental mistakes are inherently self-induced. If they did not know better that would be coaching. If they know where they are supposed to be, or what they are supposed to do, and don't do it, that's a mental mistake! So I think your post needs some rework.


Totally disagree. There is no excuse why this team is sitting where they are. Everyone expected so much more from this team. They had the talent and they had the experience to have a great season.

So why? Whitehead has plenty of excuses. We've heard them all right down to the bad bounces and he even has the players repeating his useless drivel. This team isn't mentally tough and that comes down to your coach. Mental toughness and confidence goes hand in hand. The captain of this team even said that wins on the road in hockey east are hard to come by. I would guess that remark is the sentiment of the coach.

The best coaches get more out of their players. They know how to motivate and instill confidence. Whitehead doesn't have a clue.

BobF
02-21-2011, 05:53 PM
Totally disagree. There is no excuse why this team is sitting where they are. Everyone expected so much more from this team. They had the talent and they had the experience to have a great season.

So why? Whitehead has plenty of excuses. We've heard them all right down to the bad bounces and he even has the players repeating his useless drivel. This team isn't mentally tough and that comes down to your coach. Mental toughness and confidence goes hand in hand. The captain of this team even said that wins on the road in hockey east are hard to come by. I would guess that remark is the sentiment of the coach.

The best coaches get more out of their players. They know how to motivate and instill confidence. Whitehead doesn't have a clue.

Did you even read what I was responding too? I was not making excuses for the team, I was explaining a definition!:confused: Guess I need to add someone else to my growing list of people to ignore.

FiveHole12
02-21-2011, 05:53 PM
Off Topic:
If the Bears can bring it this weekend like they did against BC in Jan., accomplished with hard work and team D for 60 minutes, me thinks yuse guys have a shot at a sweep.

Sorry to bum y'all out. ;) :D

Potato in NH
02-21-2011, 05:58 PM
I would love to see Maine sweep Merrimack this weekend (obviously). But if they do, I think I will still be completely frusterated by the state of the program. If they were to win both games, I would ask myself, how did that happen based on a 7-1 loss at Merrimack a few months earlier? My biased answer would be coaching. The night of the 7-1 loss was the night of Mangene on D with Cornell at F. It was brutal to watch and was a choice solely of the coach.

I was talking to a friend on Saturday night about the last time a graduating class at Maine did not get at least one trip to the NCAA tournament. We figured that if this class did not make it, it would be the first time since the 1980s. I am not sure if last year's seniors played in the tournament as Freshman or not. Perhaps last year's senior class was the first and this one will be the second. That should be reason enough to fire Timmay. Think about it, every class for almost 20 years plays in at least 1 tournament in their 4 years at Maine, some play in several frozen fours and now we have no players with any NCAA experience. That is pretty sad.

Ma#1ne Hky
02-21-2011, 06:01 PM
Did you even read what I was responding too? I was not making excuses for the team, I was explaining a definition!:confused: Guess I need to add someone else to my growing list of people to ignore. So BobF you are always on target and the rest of the Posters take a back seat when you speak...ya right. Ignore and who cares..?

Ma#1ne Hky
02-21-2011, 06:03 PM
Or the talent on D and Goaltending is there and they aren't being used right, given the right gameplans or he sucks the life out of them. The last 4 years have produced the softest teams I've ever seen, stick checks have taken over for taking the body. Heaven forbid any D man actually touch someone with their body. I doubt you'll find anyone who thinks the Goalies have been handled right. This team needs a real goalie coach bad YOUR POST hits harder and more times then most of the Maine players in the last 4 years...

BearPaw
02-21-2011, 06:38 PM
Did you even read what I was responding too? I was not making excuses for the team, I was explaining a definition!:confused: Guess I need to add someone else to my growing list of people to ignore.


Did you read my post? I was stating the mental attitude of the team. You were putting all the blame on the players for mental mistakes. This team isn't mentally prepared and thats not the players fault. Whitehead is at fault.

BobF
02-21-2011, 06:46 PM
Did you read my post? I was stating the mental attitude of the team. You were putting all the blame on the players for mental mistakes. This team isn't mentally prepared and thats not the players fault. Whitehead is at fault.

Paw there is a difference between mentally prepared and mental mistakes. You have a case with mentally prepared. But mental mistakes, that is on the players. So we have some common ground.

irishfan85
02-21-2011, 06:48 PM
Paw there is a difference between mentally prepared and mental mistakes. You have a case with mentally prepared. But mental mistakes, that is on the players. So we have some common ground.

Bob, Who's fault is it that the players brought in make mental mistakes? Say I own a company and hire you as a human resources director, you fail to bring the right employees in. Guess who gets fired?

walrus
02-21-2011, 07:02 PM
Paw there is a difference between mentally prepared and mental mistakes. You have a case with mentally prepared. But mental mistakes, that is on the players. So we have some common ground.

If they're mentally prepared, why would they make mental mistakes? Mistakes happen, I've all 3 goalies get beat hugging the post, some multiple times and I haven't seen half the games. They aren't put in the position to succeed simple as that. Do you think any of the teams the last 4 years have overachieved. What about with Shawns recruits and Grant still around?

BearPaw
02-21-2011, 07:19 PM
I would love to see Maine sweep Merrimack this weekend (obviously). But if they do, I think I will still be completely frusterated by the state of the program. If they were to win both games, I would ask myself, how did that happen based on a 7-1 loss at Merrimack a few months earlier? My biased answer would be coaching. The night of the 7-1 loss was the night of Mangene on D with Cornell at F. It was brutal to watch and was a choice solely of the coach.

I was talking to a friend on Saturday night about the last time a graduating class at Maine did not get at least one trip to the NCAA tournament. We figured that if this class did not make it, it would be the first time since the 1980s. I am not sure if last year's seniors played in the tournament as Freshman or not. Perhaps last year's senior class was the first and this one will be the second. That should be reason enough to fire Timmay. Think about it, every class for almost 20 years plays in at least 1 tournament in their 4 years at Maine, some play in several frozen fours and now we have no players with any NCAA experience. That is pretty sad.

I believe House spoke about his class being the first if they did not make it this year and he didn't want that to happen.

BoSox3066
02-21-2011, 07:29 PM
Off Topic:
If the Bears can bring it this weekend like they did against BC in Jan., accomplished with hard work and team D for 60 minutes, me thinks yuse guys have a shot at a sweep.

Sorry to bum y'all out. ;) :D

I actually agree that its possible. But IF it happens, I'll be so pizzed off. Basically, where the phuck was that effort when it would have counted? If they can beat Merrimack why the fiddlesticks couldn't they close out two against UNH, because if they had, these games would actually matter. As it is, it doesn't look like even a sweep gets Maine into the NCAAs.

Based on the way Maine blew those UNH losses, I am wondering how the team is going to find a way to gut punch us. Maybe they'll feed a drop pass into their own open net with the goalie pulled for a delayed penalty?

I can almost garuntee they're going to find a way to make us believe and then pull the rug out.

amherstblackbear
02-21-2011, 08:31 PM
solution: don't believe.

I'll start thinking Maine hockey is relevant again once NCAA brackets are formally announced, and Maine is in them. And not a minute before.

dmjossel
02-21-2011, 09:09 PM
Bob, Who's fault is it that the players brought in make mental mistakes? Say I own a company and hire you as a human resources director, you fail to bring the right employees in. Guess who gets fired?

Everybody.

You START with the HR director. Then you replace everybody else, too. That's why I see trying to blame the coach and exempt the players as self-contradictory and counter-productive.

irishfan85
02-21-2011, 09:39 PM
Everybody.

You START with the HR director. Then you replace everybody else, too. That's why I see trying to blame the coach and exempt the players as self-contradictory and counter-productive.

That was my point. It is the president's fault for hiring an incompetent AD who could not see that the coach was heading down the wrong path. It was the coach's fault for recruiting players inept at playing at this level. Besides 6 forwards and 3 defensemen, this Maine team lacks talent.

TripleE
02-22-2011, 12:30 AM
I believe House spoke about his class being the first if they did not make it this year and he didn't want that to happen.

Would be the first class since the graduating class of 1986.

When was the last time Whitehead got up at a podium and said something along the lines of: we lost tonight, and I take responsibility for it. We didn't prepare properly and we didn't make advantageous adjustment. Better Q: when was the first time?

It's unreal. Every great coach of any sport admits fault and takes accountability somewhere along the line. Going by Tim's self reported record, has he ever made a mistake?