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tomwarns
02-19-2011, 01:34 PM
I can't add much to this discussion, but I just wanted to point out that the title of this thread is hilarious. Job well done.

DrDemento
02-19-2011, 01:35 PM
Undoubtedly, he considered all of that before he made his decision. Might he have done otherwise had he known what would transpire this year? Yes, he might have, but he also might ahve done thigns the same way. We don't know what went on between he and his agent and Toronto. At least, I don't.

Ralph, as you know, I saw this kind of thing first hand almost 12 years ago. It is an agonizing decision to make since it is irreversible. Each case has to be taken on it's own merit. I am one to believe that nothing is ever guaranteed and you take the money offerred (if it is substantial enough). I truly hope in the case of JD'A and BP that the numbers made sense. In the case that I am most familiar with, there were several offers and 2 of them were Godfather type offers-just plain offers you can't refuse. Saying that-it sure would have been interesting to see how this year's team would have been with no one leaving for the pros. When you recruuit really talented players you have to face this possibility every year. I guess this just proves we are moving up to the big time recruiting. I don't suspect any of our young players will be leaving after this year (York is possible but he has at least been here 3 years). Next year's crop of freshmen are an entire new ball game and what happens with them will remain to be seen as we find out about the draft later this year.

Jasma
02-19-2011, 01:36 PM
On the other hand-graduating from RPI with a 4 year degree is worth quite a bit on the market. There is no guarantee he gets up to the NHL for any extended time. I know what the RPI degree did for my financial life and that would be hard to replace unless I had a substantial pro career. I know JD'A has a lot of potential-but if he does not make a substantial move up in the pro organization in the next year or 2-the chances of that big payday become considerable less. Just pointing out the pretty obvious other side of the coin.;)

I will point out some equally obvious points. He can always finish his degree. It is also obvious that the NHL was always his first priority and the degree was a fall-back position.
There is nothing wrong with grabbing the brass ring when it is in reach. Yours was the degree and his was professional hockey.

DrDemento
02-19-2011, 01:36 PM
I think that you should try making some original posts rather than simply dumping on the posts of others.

I am not defending Red Cloud-most of us knows he certainly can defend himself quite well-but I find some of his comments hilarious and understand where he is coming from. I miss when he is not active on our threads.

DrDemento
02-19-2011, 01:38 PM
I will point out some equally obvious points. He can always finish his degree. It is also obvious that the NHL was always his first priority and the degree was a fall-back position.
There is nothing wrong with grabbing the brass ring when it is in reach. Yours was the degree and his was professional hockey.

For sure! Cannot agree more. But he has given up his college eligibility to play hockey and he would have to come back to finih 3 year for a degree-not something very likely.

Jasma
02-19-2011, 01:38 PM
Ralph, as you know, I saw this kind of thing first hand almost 12 years ago. It is an agonizing decision to make since it is irreversible. Each case has to be taken on it's own merit. I am one to believe that nothing is ever guaranteed and you take the money offerred (if it is substantial enough). I truly hope in the case of JD'A and BP that the numbers made sense. In the case that I am most familiar with, there were several offers and 2 of them were Godfather type offers-just plain offers you can't refuse. Saying that-it sure would have been interesting to see how this year's team would have been with no one leaving for the pros. When you recruuit really talented players you have to face this possibility every year. I guess this just proves we are moving up to the big time recruiting. I don't suspect any of our young players will be leaving after this year (York is possible but he has at least been here 3 years). Next year's crop of freshmen are an entire new ball game and what happens with them will remain to be seen as we find out about the draft later this year.

yup.

Ralph Baer
02-19-2011, 01:40 PM
They finally took a team picture http://www.rpiathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=hockey&.

AspyDad
02-19-2011, 01:44 PM
I believe in Seth!

SS I can't believe I am saying this but I 100 % agree with this post. Next thing you know fishcore and I will be having a beer at the Penalty Box together talking about how ECAC refs s**k. In all seriousness, great post:)

AspyDad
02-19-2011, 01:52 PM
I am not defending Red Cloud-most of us knows he certainly can defend himself quite well-but I find some of his comments hilarious and understand where he is coming from. I miss when he is not active on our threads.

Agreed. I believe the living legend (Red Cloud) is trying to say buck up, this isn't a time for the faint of heart. Our temperamental but talented colleague brings a conscious to this thread that is missing in his absence.

AspyDad
02-19-2011, 01:55 PM
They finally took a team picture http://www.rpiathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=hockey&.

Where's McGuane??

Ralph Baer
02-19-2011, 02:06 PM
Where's McGuane??

sharpening skates?

FlagDUDE08
02-19-2011, 02:55 PM
Where's McGuane??

Taking the picture?

Beman
02-19-2011, 02:56 PM
Just wondering why they weren't ready. Its gut check time for Seth and his seniors. That's all!

You are so sensitive.

ServinisScores
02-19-2011, 02:57 PM
On the other hand-graduating from RPI with a 4 year degree is worth quite a bit on the market. There is no guarantee he gets up to the NHL for any extended time. I know what the RPI degree did for my financial life and that would be hard to replace unless I had a substantial pro career. I know JD'A has a lot of potential-but if he does not make a substantial move up in the pro organization in the next year or 2-the chances of that big payday become considerable less. Just pointing out the pretty obvious other side of the coin.;)

I think the link I posted is in this thread, Jerry and his Dad are none too pleased. They even quote his Dad on the topic "Jerry didn't leave a top-notch engineering school to go to Kitchener." I thought Jerry was better served at RPI unless he could play in the NHL. He would have been much more productive in the AHL if he stayed even for jsut one more year.

ServinisScores
02-19-2011, 03:02 PM
SS I can't believe I am saying this but I 100 % agree with this post. Next thing you know fishcore and I will be having a beer at the Penalty Box together talking about how ECAC refs s**k. In all seriousness, great post:)

If I'm Troy during the season, or not, let's do it.

fishcore12
02-19-2011, 03:24 PM
SS I can't believe I am saying this but I 100 % agree with this post. Next thing you know fishcore and I will be having a beer at the Penalty Box together talking about how ECAC refs s**k. In all seriousness, great post:)

I must have missed something these past few days or it could be Im still recovering from my night in saratoga last night....go team, win???? :)

Ralph Baer
02-19-2011, 04:09 PM
Patrick Koudys selected 97th in a mock draft on Hockey's Future http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=30694871

DrDemento
02-19-2011, 08:36 PM
I think the link I posted is in this thread, Jerry and his Dad are none too pleased. They even quote his Dad on the topic "Jerry didn't leave a top-notch engineering school to go to Kitchener." I thought Jerry was better served at RPI unless he could play in the NHL. He would have been much more productive in the AHL if he stayed even for jsut one more year.

He's an obviously talented young player. I just don't think there are many boys who can make the jump from their freshman NCAA year to the pros easily-yes there have been exceptions like Kariya and Leetch. But it is a huge step and I would suspect that an extra year or two in the college ranks goes a long way in helping these boys to mature. Also given the difficulty in making it to the big time-getting at least close to a 4 year degree should be important. Having to come back and finish 30 credits is fairly easy-having to come back and finish 3 full years once you get a little older and pick up lots of responsibilites (mortgages, cars, wife and kids) is just pretty difficult.

DrDemento
02-19-2011, 08:40 PM
Patrick Koudys selected 97th in a mock draft on Hockey's Future http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=30694871

About right-4th round I would surmise. Would not be surprised to see Neal get some notice also.

Ralph Baer
02-20-2011, 04:24 AM
Much more fun reading Ed Weaver's articles when RPI wins http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2011/02/19/sports/doc4d609b717efa4006455131.txt?viewmode=fullstory. Probably more fun to write the articles too.