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LTsatch
02-15-2011, 07:49 PM
Just a few quick numbers that I was wondering about, to see which team is the most penalized and least. MPG= penalty minutes per game ECAC only

League average for 2010-2011 13.61 mpg

1- Cornell- 22.88 mpg
2- Clarkson- 17.00 mpg
3- Brown- 15.29 mpg
4- RPI 13.60 mpg
5- Colgate- 13.22 mpg
6- Princeton- 12.94 mpg
7- Yale- 12.77 mpg
8- Dartmouth- 12.38 mpg
9- Harvard- 11.64 mpg
10- SLU- 11.55 mpg
11- Union- 11.44 mpg
12- QU-8.7 mpg

Not sure what is up with Cornell and QU they are way above and below the norm.

Wicked Slappaahs
02-15-2011, 07:56 PM
...Thats all I want to see in life for people is to achieve that. Good. Can we all sing Kumbaya now and talk hockey?

GRussinko
02-15-2011, 08:05 PM
Just a few quick numbers that I was wondering about, to see which team is the most penalized and least. MPG= penalty minutes per game ECAC only

League average for 2010-2011 13.61 mpg

1- Cornell- 22.88 mpg
2- Clarkson- 17.00 mpg
3- Brown- 15.29 mpg
4- RPI 13.60 mpg
5- Colgate- 13.22 mpg
6- Princeton- 12.94 mpg
7- Yale- 12.77 mpg
8- Dartmouth- 12.38 mpg
9- Harvard- 11.64 mpg
10- SLU- 11.55 mpg
11- Union- 11.44 mpg
12- QU-8.7 mpg

Not sure what is up with Cornell and QU they are way above and below the norm.

We touched on this a couple days ago but I never went any further with it - I decided to look at the numbers for Cornell if you drop out the majors, misconducts, and DQs. Their average mpg drops from ~21 (I came up with a little different number than you) to a much more meager 12.33mpg. The Big Red have taken 155 minutes of majors, misconducts, and DQs, 145 of which have come in their past seven games.

fishcore12
02-15-2011, 08:06 PM
Good. Can we all sing Kumbaya now and talk hockey?

I posed a question about hockey last night that Doc answered for me. Ive got nothing tonight, quiet day on the York and Bergin injury front I assume.

LTsatch
02-15-2011, 08:17 PM
(I came up with a little different number than you)

I just took the number of pm and divided by games played according to the ECAC stats page. Did you throw out everyones majors?

GRussinko
02-15-2011, 08:26 PM
I just took the number of pm and divided by games played according to the ECAC stats page. Did you throw out everyones majors?

Didn't get that far as it involves going through box scores one game at a time to tabluate how many minutes came from which type of penalty.

Edit: Here are the top 4 adjusted to remove penalties >2 min. Note that all my numbers are looking a little different as it seems the box score sums of penalty minutes don't match up with the ECAC stats page

Cornell - 20.75mpg with, 12.33 without
Clarkson - 17.76mpg with, 14.23 without
Brown - 14.35mpg with, 11.41 without
RPI - 13.61 with, 12.77 without

Quinnipiac has only taken 2 majors and one misconduct on the season. An odd pattern I found is that in the majority of QU's ECAC games, both teams took relatively few penalties, not just QU.

I may look at some further numbers, but so far nothing amazing has jumped out at me.

olmerd
02-15-2011, 10:09 PM
I hope to see Pat Koudys on the PP more. It is just not the shot that matters but crisp passing that gets the opposing team scrambling. Pat is a very good passer.

The Foss goal at QU was a beautiful cross-ice pass from Koudys right on the tape. I'd love to see Koudys get more PP time.

Red Cloud
02-15-2011, 11:54 PM
thanks for the responses. I see you can't put away the childish shtick altogether, but the progress is good.


Well, if you're going to keep the pompous shtick going, I don't see why he should be forced to scuttle the "childish" one.

Ralph Baer
02-16-2011, 12:51 AM
The Foss goal at QU was a beautiful cross-ice pass from Koudys right on the tape. I'd love to see Koudys get more PP time.

I think that we will, but not this season.

Ralph Baer
02-16-2011, 01:30 AM
I am getting lazy in my old age, or I would do it, but to me the statistic that would indicate if the refs have it out for us is not average number of penalties or penalty minutes per game, but the average of the differences between penalties by the team minus penalties by the opponent. That is, for RPI I would calculate how many penalties (or penalty minutes minus misconducts) RPI received in game one and subtract how many penalties (or penalty minutes minus misconducts) the opponent received in that game. I would then average that over all of RPI's games. I would then do the same thing for each team.

I add that it hasn't appeared to me this year that the refs have had it out for us. It has in many other years. We probably wouldn't be having this discussion if we could have scored on that 5-minute powerplay vs. Cornell.

FlagDUDE08
02-16-2011, 06:09 AM
Quick. Name the only team in all of NCAA D1 that has not given up a shorthanded goal all season.

And significant portions of that was done while using a 4-1 PP. I'm not too concerned about our power play. Especially since we're clicking at 19%. That's quite the difference from 8.7, just two short years ago.

Technically that isn't true; we gave up a shorty during the exhibition game against UNB (although it doesn't count towards the stats). However, like I said before, defending isn't the problem. My worry is our ability to be at a consistent 19%, where we would actually score one out of 5. Last week, we were 1 for 13.

Waite21
02-16-2011, 06:59 AM
I see Paul Stewart has been disciplined for his intemperate remarks. Well and good.

Still, those remarks, however intemperate, cannot be used as an excuse for the towel-throwing shenanigans that took place immediately following Saturday's game, before Stewart talked to Klump.

Yelling at the officials is an American tradition. But IMHO, throwing things at them, even if it's only towels, crosses the line.

I think our AD ought to issue an apology for the inadequacy of the security measures at the Field House and promise that the officials will be protected on their route to and from the ice in the future.

FlagDUDE08
02-16-2011, 07:15 AM
I see Paul Stewart has been disciplined for his intemperate remarks. Well and good.

Still, those remarks, however intemperate, cannot be used as an excuse for the towel-throwing shenanigans that took place immediately following Saturday's game, before Stewart talked to Klump.

Yelling at the officials is an American tradition. But IMHO, throwing things at them, even if it's only towels, crosses the line.

I think our AD ought to issue an apology for the inadequacy of the security measures at the Field House and promise that the officials will be protected on their route to and from the ice in the future.

Even if RPI's mall cops were standing along the walkway there (which they typically do), stuff probably would have still been thrown at them. Don't underestimate the hostility of Section 33, especially if they feel like they've been "had", regardless of the final outcome of the game. Like I said before, I did not throw anything, nor do I actually condone this happening, but I wouldn't put it past some of my buddies that are part of the Red Army. I don't know if this is going to result in a lack of giveaways in the coming years (or at least small and easily throwable ones), but we'll see what happens. I would personally rather have an overly passionate crowd than the funeral we've seen at other locations in the ECAC. That's what makes Houston Field House a fun place to be on Fridays and Saturdays, and that passion is one of the factors that is going to attract future recruits to RPI.

rvd5star69
02-16-2011, 07:52 AM
he lost his lunch money for a few weeks big deal......


I see Paul Stewart has been disciplined for his intemperate remarks. Well and good.

Still, those remarks, however intemperate, cannot be used as an excuse for the towel-throwing shenanigans that took place immediately following Saturday's game, before Stewart talked to Klump.

Yelling at the officials is an American tradition. But IMHO, throwing things at them, even if it's only towels, crosses the line.

I think our AD ought to issue an apology for the inadequacy of the security measures at the Field House and promise that the officials will be protected on their route to and from the ice in the future.

pensfan08
02-16-2011, 08:06 AM
Not to get drawn into the official/safety of officials discussion, but if RPI is going to issue an apology or make changes they need to tread carefully FlagDude is right that part of what makes going to the game enjoyable is the crowd, even parts of the townie crowd laugh when the the phone call chant starts. There have been rumors that the AD would like to make the whole crowd be more silent and remove the sucks and booing from the crowd, hopefully he doesn't try to use this incident as an excuse. That being said we may all want to be a bit more careful in what we say towards the refs at the next home game, public safety may have orders to crack down.

As to hockey and the powerplay debate:
We have one of the most predictable powerplays out there right now, pass around and then force a cross ice pass to Chase for a one-timer. It seems like the everyone has finally caught on, maybe it might be time to move Chase around rather than planting him in one spot.

DrDemento
02-16-2011, 08:41 AM
I am getting lazy in my old age, or I would do it, but to me the statistic that would indicate if the refs have it out for us is not average number of penalties or penalty minutes per game, but the average of the differences between penalties by the team minus penalties by the opponent. That is, for RPI I would calculate how many penalties (or penalty minutes minus misconducts) RPI received in game one and subtract how many penalties (or penalty minutes minus misconducts) the opponent received in that game. I would then average that over all of RPI's games. I would then do the same thing for each team.

I add that it hasn't appeared to me this year that the refs have had it out for us. It has in many other years. We probably wouldn't be having this discussion if we could have scored on that 5-minute powerplay vs. Cornell.

RB-it is not simply the number of penalties-it is also a matter of when they are called. Calling 2 penalties to put us down 5 on 3 in the third period is far more significant than calling two widely separate penalties earlier in the first 2 periods. I do not think one can simply look at any statistic that is just numbers to truly get the feeling of whether the penalty calls are fair and equal. Also lots of power plays over lap and often times we get credit for having a power play that may have lasted only a few seconds. In all the years of following RPI hockey-I am convinced(but only some years and at some times) that there is a prejudice. It is not consistent and has not been present all the time.

FlagDUDE08
02-16-2011, 08:43 AM
Not to get drawn into the official/safety of officials discussion, but if RPI is going to issue an apology or make changes they need to tread carefully FlagDude is right that part of what makes going to the game enjoyable is the crowd, even parts of the townie crowd laugh when the the phone call chant starts. There have been rumors that the AD would like to make the whole crowd be more silent and remove the sucks and booing from the crowd, hopefully he doesn't try to use this incident as an excuse. That being said we may all want to be a bit more careful in what we say towards the refs at the next home game, public safety may have orders to crack down.

As to hockey and the powerplay debate:
We have one of the most predictable powerplays out there right now, pass around and then force a cross ice pass to Chase for a one-timer. It seems like the everyone has finally caught on, maybe it might be time to move Chase around rather than planting him in one spot.

I think that Cornell and most of the other D-3 schools that play up (not sure about CC, but RIT I would imagine this is true, especially given they aren't allowed to offer athletic scholarships) use the crowds and travelling fan base as a selling point to their recruits. I know that you and I have our opinions about Col. Knowlton, but I don't think he's utopian enough to not realize that the seventh man is helping to draw top talent to D-III schools. I'm sure if we were to take a straw poll of the players, they would have similar views.

Red Cloud
02-16-2011, 08:52 AM
I think that Cornell and most of the other D-3 schools that play up

A) Something very, very wrong with this subject.

B) I am banning the phrase "I think that" when "that" is followed by thoughts.

Ralph Baer
02-16-2011, 09:25 AM
RB-it is not simply the number of penalties-it is also a matter of when they are called. Calling 2 penalties to put us down 5 on 3 in the third period is far more significant than calling two widely separate penalties earlier in the first 2 periods. I do not think one can simply look at any statistic that is just numbers to truly get the feeling of whether the penalty calls are fair and equal. Also lots of power plays over lap and often times we get credit for having a power play that may have lasted only a few seconds. In all the years of following RPI hockey-I am convinced(but only some years and at some times) that there is a prejudice. It is not consistent and has not been present all the time.

I agree that it matters when they are called, but that is getting quite complicated to quantify.

turk181
02-16-2011, 10:36 AM
did you vote today? http://www.seniorclassaward.com/vote/hockey_2010-11/