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FlagDUDE08
02-14-2011, 05:15 PM
Never figured you for an apologisy....dissappointing !

You mentioned Freedom of the Press in another post... that only states that Congress shall make no law to deny or abridge freedom of the press. If you want to create your own avenue to say what you want to say, you cannot be stopped by the government. However, if you are going to utilize another person's forum to say this, and you don't have the permission of that avenue owner, then the avenue will be closed to you. It's not being apologetic, it's using fact from the real world and how it works to explain the publisher's intentions. Mr. Wodon had every right to close College Hockey News avenue to Mr. Klump's usage. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion to agree or disagree with this action, but Mr. Klump could always start writing elsewhere, whether it be a personal blog, or to create his own news website.

StayPuftMMcu
02-14-2011, 05:18 PM
See, that's just it. I don't go to Lynah even when RPI is playing there. So if you're just going to show up once a year when your team is there, you can dispense with the whinefest.

I'm sorry you mistook a compliment of a clever cheer for whining. Have a nice day.

troyboy
02-14-2011, 05:44 PM
Press establishments are still private organizations and reserve the right to refuse service. Mr. Klump wrote an article, Mr. Wodon didn't want it out there (at least on his site), Mr. Klump went to another outlet. Publishers will see if a reporter is writing somewhere else, that they can just get a job there, so goodbye reporter. Editors will also be selective regarding what they post for editorials given what has been submitted. There is always the option of writing elsewhere, but publishers will frown upon it. Hey, it's Mr. Wodon's website, and he can do what he chooses. Press establishments are protected by the constitution a concept so important it was the first amendment offered to said constitution that right is granted by the people of the united states (us) and what we ask in return is that they earn the public trust and they seek the truth no matter what the consequences and WE guaruntee them protection to seek out that truth.Mr Wodon either doesn't believe that...doesn't care about the U.S Constitution or doesn't consider himself nor his website a journalistic pursuit.Either way this some how seems unAmerican to me.Where would we be if Ben Bradley fired Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein ?

StayPuftMMcu
02-14-2011, 05:52 PM
CHN is a privately run site. Mr. Wodon has the right to censor the content that his site publishes and employ those whom he chooses. Mr. Klump has the right to publish his story uncensored by the US government through whatever means is available, but that doesn't absolve him of his responsibilities to CHN as a private institution and employee/contributor. Constitutional rights pretty much only apply in a public forum, and even then are fairly limited, particularly if any of this turns out to be untrue. It could be considered libelous. Yet another good reason for Mr. Wodon to elect not to publish it on his site - no sense to open himself up to the liability.

vicious
02-14-2011, 05:57 PM
Press establishments are protected by the constitution a concept so important it was the first amendment offered to said constitution that right is granted by the people of the united states (us) and what we ask in return is that they earn the public trust and they seek the truth no matter what the consequences and WE guaruntee them protection to seek out that truth.Mr Wodon either doesn't believe that...doesn't care about the U.S Constitution or doesn't consider himself nor his website a journalistic pursuit.Either way this some how seems unAmerican to me.

FlagDude knows his con law. The Constitution protects the press from intervention or suppression by the government, but not by private entities. If Mr. Wodon owns and operates a website, he has every right to determine who may participate and who may not. What's "American" about this action is that the government doesn't make these decisions, the owners of the website do. That's what the Constitution really protects. There is no First Amendment "right to participate" on someone's private website or forum. Now back to the regularly scheduled program...

AspyDad
02-14-2011, 06:13 PM
FlagDude knows his con law. The Constitution protects the press from intervention or suppression by the government, but not by private entities. If Mr. Wodon owns and operates a website, he has every right to determine who may participate and who may not. What's "American" about this action is that the government doesn't make these decisions, the owners of the website do. That's what the Constitution really protects. There is no First Amendment "right to participate" on someone's private website or forum. Now back to the regularly scheduled program...

No doubt that gutless Adam Wodon has the right to do anything he wants with his little website. You're missing the point, what separates us from other regimes is that the press is a check on the government. Adam Wodon is the type of guy who belives the pablum that Hagwell gives him or worse covers up for them. What troyboy and I are saying is that there should be a vigorous press that doesn't crumple like Adam Wodon. I want to thank Tom and Gary for having the guts to expose the lies that surrounds the league office. Thank you gentlemen ... simply stated you are ... without a peer.

AspyDad
02-14-2011, 06:14 PM
CHN is a privately run site. Mr. Wodon has the right to censor

Cenorship is never good.

vicious
02-14-2011, 06:18 PM
No doubt that gutless Adam Wodon has the right to do anything he wants with his little website. You're missing the point, what separates us from other regimes is that the press is a check on the government. Adam Wodon is the type of guy who belives the pablum that Hagwell gives him or worse covers up for them. What troyboy and I are saying is that there should be a vigorous press that doesn't crumple like Adam Wodon. I want to thank Tom and Gary for having the guts to expose the lies that surrounds the league office. Thank you gentlemen ... simply stated you are ... without a peer.

Then say there should be a vigorous press. That's fine. That point is more persuasive than trying to make a case by citing factually inaccurate information about the Constitution.

AspyDad
02-14-2011, 06:29 PM
And Wodon went to Ithaca College and is a former Cornell broadcaster, so we know where his allegiance is.

Thank you Ralph for also pointing out that Adam Wodon is also compromised

rvd5star69
02-14-2011, 06:40 PM
more stuff should have been thrown on the ice then .....if you want to save the officals.

rvd5star69
02-14-2011, 06:44 PM
what cheers do you want to hear then next home games let us know


I don't think we need to be "matching" anyone.



This apparently will be started by someone other than yourself, I presume?



You aren't listening carefully enough.



Yes, the refs, apparently, are beyond reproach. Anyone who believes otherwise is obviously crazy.

fishcore12
02-14-2011, 06:54 PM
From Ed's article:

"Some website posters suggest an investigation should be undertaken and that Stewart should be suspended -- some suggest even fired -- if he said what's alleged."

At least Ken uses my name. C'mon Ed stop using my stuff without crediting me.

Look on the bright side you have gotten more press this season than Coupal and Beauregard who are both actually on the team.

fishcore12
02-14-2011, 06:58 PM
Unfortunately (at least according to Mr. Schott's weekly article), Mr. Klump did experience a repercussion for the article, but I will still tip my hat for bringing this (the editorial) to the attention of the college hockey community.

I wonder if Mr. Klump was looking for a way out of CHN and this landed in his lap.

ServinisScores
02-14-2011, 07:19 PM
Well, it's good to see about 8 pages on how the refs are 'out to get RPI' etc. etc., and not focusing on how the boys blew a weekend to get a full 0 out of 4 points. The refs aren't the problem, just a convenient excuse here. ECAC refs have sucked for 30 years, and will do so for another 30. Mike Addesa, Buddy Powers, etc. would steam, yell, bellow, criticize in print to the refs just like Seth. Blaming the refs is a distraction. The boys aren't good enough - they're getting there, but not yet.

Maybe we'll return to hockey talk sometime, hopefully soon.

fishcore12
02-14-2011, 07:21 PM
Well, it's good to see about 8 pages on how the refs are 'out to get RPI' etc. etc., and not focusing on how the boys blew a weekend to get a full 0 out of 4 points. The refs aren't the problem, just a convenient excuse here. ECAC refs have sucked for 30 years, and will do so for another 30. Mike Addesa, Buddy Powers, etc. would steam, yell, bellow, criticize in print to the refs just like Seth. Blaming the refs is a distraction. The boys aren't good enough - they're getting there, but not yet.

Maybe we'll return to hockey talk sometime, hopefully soon.

If I may enter faith into the conversation...AMEN my brother AMEN

AspyDad
02-14-2011, 07:34 PM
Mike Addesa, Buddy Powers, etc. would steam, yell, bellow, criticize in print to the refs just like Seth.

The difference here SS is that the head of officials never publically critisized these coaches and publically articulated a bias against them.

AspyDad
02-14-2011, 07:37 PM
You're right I get up every morning SS and FC and can't wait to read on the board your expert analysis. Take it away gentlemen.

AspyDad
02-14-2011, 07:38 PM
Look on the bright side you have gotten more press this season than Coupal and Beauregard who are both actually on the team.

Jealous?

ServinisScores
02-14-2011, 07:47 PM
The difference here SS is that the head of officials never publically critisized these coaches and publically articulated a bias against them.

And what exactly is that affecting? RPI's inability to score ont he powerplay? Put forth a wholly-lame effort against the 12th place team in the EZAC? Please help clarify.

AspyDad
02-14-2011, 07:50 PM
And what exactly is that affecting? RPI's inability to score ont he powerplay? Put forth a wholly-lame effort against the 12th place team in the EZAC? Please help clarify.

Did you read SA comments about both games, he thought the effort was there. I think I'll go with his assessment instead of yours. If you don't think in the highly competitive ECAC that missed calls don't affect the outcome well ...