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Puck Swami
01-04-2011, 12:17 AM
How do you know? It's been done before and scholarships are not necessarily just a whole or a half. Stud recruits get the whole ones, but the rest are divided up in a creative way as to maximize the roster with at least a few decent backups and if it needs to be tweaked from year to year, then that is done. That is how it has been done for quite some time.

I agree on the kids with partials. They get manipulated all the time. But I doubt full rides are cut down very often - it would be a bad precedent that would cost DU in the recruiting world.

dggoddard
01-04-2011, 05:38 AM
How do you know? It's been done before and scholarships are not necessarily just a whole or a half. Stud recruits get the whole ones, but the rest are divided up in a creative way as to maximize the roster with at least a few decent backups and if it needs to be tweaked from year to year, then that is done. That is how it has been done for quite some time.The biggest mystery in college hockey is who gets what in scholie money. Certainly there have been guys like Matt Laatsch who walked on, took out loans and then earned a scholie later on at DU. But guys like Julian Marcuzzi and David Carle prove that DU doesn't yank them.

Because DU is so expensive, its almost all scholarships are full rides and then the last 6 or 8 guys are on financial aid, loans and thanks to a new NCAA rule, academic scholarships if they get good grades (DU leads the WCHA in academic performance - this is one reason why). Because DU is a top ten program and Gwozdecky is one of the best coaches, many players will still take this route rather than a full ride at a smaller D-I school. Take Gwozdecky away from DU, and not only do you lose the top recruits, but high quality recruited walk-ons will also disappear (Salazar, Nutini, Jackson).

Its possible that the recruited walk-ons get scholie money later if they play well. So while its doubtful that DU players get scholies reduced, guys can get scholies increased. But even with a "full ride," DU parents need to come up with spending money, clothes, cell phones, electronics, car money, extra expenses, trips home & parent visits. Around $10,000 per year.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to guess that the Mermis and potential Jones brother situations are probably pretty creative packages.

Wrenn was on a full ride, blue-chip recruit. He read the handwriting on the wall (playing time) and who knows what Portland offered him to entice him.

Around the WCHA Wisconsin's tuition is relatively cheap, so they only offer 90% scholies. This gives them essentially 20 scholarships instead of 18 and this is why they have plenty of depth on their roster. Then you have Minnesota who back in the day ('80s & 90s) would give 25% Freshmen, 50% Sophomores, 75% Jrs and 100% Seniors scholies. This would give the Gophers around 28 players on scholarships. Market forces and competition from Michigan and Sconnie forced the Gophers to give four-year full rides like everybody else.

This is all 100% speculation on my part, but you hear things, :-)

Ralph Baer
01-04-2011, 06:22 AM
Thanks to Gwoz for teaching Seth Appert how to be creative in awarding financial aid besides for everything else that he learned. I have heard several rumors over the last few years, most of which I shouldn't post. One thing that has been posted already is that a few players are at least partially on minority scholarships, including RPI's captain.

du78
01-04-2011, 11:31 AM
No Gwoz press conference or radio show this week as the team is on a bye. We will have to wait until next week to hear what he has to say about William Wrenn except fro what has been released to the press.

Puck Swami
01-04-2011, 01:40 PM
Then you have Minnesota who back in the day ('80s & 90s) would give 25% Freshmen, 50% Sophomores, 75% Jrs and 100% Seniors scholies. This would give the Gophers around 28 players on scholarships. Market forces and competition from Michigan and Sconnie forced the Gophers to give four-year full rides like everybody else.

Since Minnesota only recruited in state back then, you had resident tuition (low) which means you could split scholies easily. And since many players were from the Twin cities any way, some could live at home, saving even more money. Also in those days, you had guys on partials in other sports - 1/2 hockey and 1/2 golf, etc.

Old Pio
01-04-2011, 01:43 PM
Since Minnesota only recruited in state back then, you had resident tuition (low) which means you could split scholies easily. And since many players were from the Twin cities any way, some could live at home, saving even more money. Also in those days, you had guys on partials in other sports - 1/2 hockey and 1/2 golf, etc.

Ahhh, golf scholarships. IIRC, George Morrison was on a golf scholarship. The back to back WCHA scoring titles were just a bonus. :D

Chris
01-04-2011, 06:22 PM
I agree on the kids with partials. They get manipulated all the time. But I doubt full rides are cut down very often - it would be a bad precedent that would cost DU in the recruiting world.

True. But there is a reality that if you are slipping down the depth chart, you are not as worthy of the athletic funds as someone who is climbing and with Ryder obviously surpassing him with a red shirt year coming up (plus Dusty's), that potentially cuts down on available athletic funds. That's not to say that funds will not be there, since there are various grants, loans and academic-related scholarships available. I am sure that DU would not hang him out to dry, but he might not be funded through his hockey playing -- something a 2nd rounder might not be able to take. That was all I meant. :)

Chris
01-04-2011, 06:24 PM
Ahhh, golf scholarships. IIRC, George Morrison was on a golf scholarship. The back to back WCHA scoring titles was just a bonus. :D

Peter McNab on a baseball scholarship???

Chris
01-04-2011, 06:35 PM
Thanks to Gwoz for teaching Seth Appert how to be creative in awarding financial aid besides for everything else that he learned. I have heard several rumors over the last few years, most of which I shouldn't post. One thing that has been posted already is that a few players are at least partially on minority scholarships, including RPI's captain.

A DU goalie from the late '90s, Stephen Wagner, was on some sort of a Native American-based scholarship. Creativity, by the rules, is an asset and Appert was the goaltending coach for at least Wagner's senior season...

Dmann
01-05-2011, 07:18 AM
Bump and can we have our players back from the WJC please? It seems like we have to hold our breath every time this tournament comes around.

Dmann
01-05-2011, 01:50 PM
Back to back bumps!!!

Puck Swami
01-05-2011, 02:45 PM
can we have our players back from the WJC please? It seems like we have to hold our breath every time this tournament comes around.

True.

But the recruiting value, player development and program exposure to the hockey world (NHL GMs, coaches, scouts, etc) and global media that DU gets is still well worth the exchange risk. I hope we always have a couple of guys playing in it every year.

Dmann
01-05-2011, 03:54 PM
True.

But the recruiting value, player development and program exposure to the hockey world (NHL GMs, coaches, scouts, etc) and global media that DU gets is still well worth the exchange risk. I hope we always have a couple of guys playing in it every year.

Remember what this tournament did for Matt Pettinger? If memory serves correctly (and it rarely does), he had four goals in the WJC. I think it was 1999-2000. They did a special presentation at center ice for him complete with video footage. It was my last season in Denver before moving to Maine. We were just starting to get good again with Chris Paradise, Kevin Doell etc. We never really looked back. In fact ever since I left Denver, we've had an amazing record! So I guess you guys can thank me!

Puck Swami
01-05-2011, 04:23 PM
Drew Shore tips in a Faulk shot to send the USA up on Sweden, 2-1 in early in the third in the Bronze medal game.

dggoddard
01-05-2011, 04:53 PM
USA wins Bronze 4-2.

Nice game for the DU guys.

Chris
01-05-2011, 05:10 PM
Remember what this tournament did for Matt Pettinger? If memory serves correctly (and it rarely does), he had four goals in the WJC. I think it was 1999-2000. They did a special presentation at center ice for him complete with video footage. It was my last season in Denver before moving to Maine. We were just starting to get good again with Chris Paradise, Kevin Doell etc. We never really looked back. In fact ever since I left Denver, we've had an amazing record! So I guess you guys can thank me!

True. However, when Pettinger left he was quoted along the lines of: "...I loved playing hockey at DU and came here for the great hockey program, school just happened to be a part of it..." Basically, he implied that classes and a degree weren't his thang -- sometimes inevitability reigns supreme. He was done after 2 but going to the WJC (which pushed him up to 1 1/2), only cost us a portion of his last season. Leaving during the season, however, is still pretty lame no matter the circumstances...

du78
01-05-2011, 08:00 PM
Some good news on the DU front.

Jesse Martin returned to Denver for the NMU series and started school on Monday. He only has to wear a cervical collar for a couple of more weeks. He will be a student assistant coach for the remainder of the season.

Jay Z, Drew Shore and Beau Bennett will all be back and playing in the MSUM series in 2 weekends.

Old Pio
01-05-2011, 08:12 PM
Some good news on the DU front.

Jesse Martin returned to Denver for the NMU series and started school on Monday. He only has to wear a cervical collar for a couple of more weeks. He will be a student assistant coach for the remainder of the season.

Jay Z, Drew Shore and Beau Bennett will all be back and playing in the MSUM series in 2 weekends.

Outstanding.

Dmann
01-05-2011, 08:21 PM
Some good news on the DU front.

Jesse Martin returned to Denver for the NMU series and started school on Monday. He only has to wear a cervical collar for a couple of more weeks. He will be a student assistant coach for the remainder of the season.

Jay Z, Drew Shore and Beau Bennett will all be back and playing in the MSUM series in 2 weekends.

Phew!!!!

co14ers
01-05-2011, 09:08 PM
Something STINKS in Buffalo, New York. WOW! What a COLOSSAL crapping of the crib by team Canada!