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    I can only speak of the games I have watched, but it appears to me that the refs are calling 5-minute majors every time a player gets checked hard and falls to the ice. (on at least 1 instance, there was NO penalty even called until the ref saw the player was hurt). I agree that is some cases, the hits are HIGH and there is definite contact to the head, but in many cases it's not.

    1) Malone gets a major with game DQ for a hit where the Denver player clearly has his head down which is WHY he was injured. I feel bad that the DU player was injured but it's NOT Malone's fault. "Stick down..head UP!" We learn that in pee-wee hockey!

    2) Last nite with the Sioux playing Wisco, there were 2 major's called on UND. Gleason creamed a Badger as he was coming around the net and it was clearly to the shoulder which caused the Badger player to hit the boards very hard..but why is a clean check like that a major? It wasn't from behind. The player was injured because again..he had his head down and when Gleason hit him he spun and hit his head against the boards. I can see a penalty called, but a major? Watch the replay, it was a hard yet clean hit. The other major called was once again a player that had his head down and was hit with shoulder/elbow by the Sioux player. What is a player supposed to do when he's about to check a guy who has his head down at waist level? Players are taught/coached to hit a player, especially when the offensive player has their head down! These would not be called majors and possibly not even a penalty in any other upper leagues.

    I understand that the NCAA is trying to crack-down on "dirty" hits, but come on! Let the guys play, and if you take away the ability for players to hit guys who can't keep their heads up this league is going to become softer than it already is! On top of that, this rule is NOT doing the players any favors. If they can get away with having their head down in college and then turn pro and play the same way..they will surely get injured even worse by a hard-hitting pro!

    I'm sure there must be some other "non-dirty" hits with other teams/players involved with other NCAA teams. Has anyone else witnessed this? There's always 2 sides to any argument/opinion, so I want to hear how others feel about this.

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    Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!

    I talked to a CCHA coach about this issue last year. He said coaches have stopped trying to figure out what is and isn't a penalty anymore, and instead of risking the possibility of getting a penalty they are simply telling their players to lay off the hitting. The NCAA has watered-down the physical aspect of college hockey so much that hitting is basically a thing of the past. The NCAA found good, hard checks to be a black eye on the sport. Go figure.

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      Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!

      Originally posted by Neil Diamond View Post
      I talked to a CCHA coach about this issue last year. He said coaches have stopped trying to figure out what is and isn't a penalty anymore, and instead of risking the possibility of getting a penalty they are simply telling their players to lay off the hitting. The NCAA has watered-down the physical aspect of college hockey so much that hitting is basically a thing of the past. The NCAA found good, hard checks to be a black eye on the sport. Go figure.
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        I've seen the opposite. Last night the RIT goalie was run, which caused a bit of a fight and NO 5 minute penaties called at all.
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          Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!

          Originally posted by neil diamond View Post
          i talked to a ccha coach about this issue last year. He said coaches have stopped trying to figure out what is and isn't a penalty anymore, and instead of risking the possibility of getting a penalty they are simply telling their players to lay off the hitting. The ncaa has watered-down the physical aspect of college hockey so much that hitting is basically a thing of the past. The ncaa found broken necks to be a black eye on the sport. Go figure.
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            Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!

            Originally posted by Neil Diamond View Post
            He said coaches have stopped trying to figure out what is and isn't a penalty anymore, and instead of risking the possibility of getting a penalty they are simply telling their players to lay off the hitting.
            I seriously doubt that to be true. They may advise their players to watch what they're doing, but to lay off the hitting?

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            • #7
              Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!

              I'm a fan of the fighting sioux. my team consistently runs players and I'm tired of the refs calling it. a couple years back in minneapolis our guy wanted to pull a player out of the handshake line and have a go and the **** refs hosed us again.

              NCAA hates the sioux and I want it to stop

              see the UW vs. sux thread for the murray and simonelli shots which were totally clean and the refs suck. now watch the rest. the other teams (ALL OF THEM) just goad us. eff the refs, eff the wcha. nodak>ncaa

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              • #8
                Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!

                Darn right. We are better and more awesome than everyone. The refs have to make stuff up and cheat us to even the field. You know how much opposing fans whine about UND now? Imagine their bellyaching if the refs didn't try evening the field every game.
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                • #9
                  Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!

                  Originally posted by Dirty View Post
                  Darn right. We are better and more awesome than everyone. The refs have to make stuff up and cheat us to even the field. You know how much opposing fans whine about UND now? Imagine their bellyaching if the refs didn't try evening the field every game.
                  Certainly better at urinating in elevators and running a mercenary program where rules seem to be consistently bent for victories.

                  I think it's fairly pathetic and telling that UND fans are bemoaning their team and the officials having it out for them when you have a kid in the hospital who may never walk / play hockey again.

                  Someone says you reap what you sew....just sayin....

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                    Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!

                    Originally posted by bothman View Post
                    Certainly better at urinating in elevators and running a mercenary program where rules seem to be consistently bent for victories.

                    I think it's fairly pathetic and telling that UND fans are bemoaning their team and the officials having it out for them when you have a kid in the hospital who may never walk / play hockey again.

                    Someone says you reap what you sew....just sayin....
                    See?
                    Step 1: Opposing fan whine whine whine.
                    Step 2: UND fan says anything back.
                    Step 3: Opposing fan whines about that and bemoans UND fans saying anything.

                    I think we all know that the conspiracy will soon spread to USCHO and Sioux fans will be silenced because opposing fans received mental anguish from UND fans responding to their complaining.
                    Last edited by Dirty; 11-13-2010, 04:41 PM.
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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                      I seriously doubt that to be true. They may advise their players to watch what they're doing, but to lay off the hitting?
                      Okay, he lied to me.

                      Just because he can.

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                        Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!

                        Originally posted by burd View Post
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                          In years gone by, checking was done mostly to separate a player from the puck as part of a defensive or offensive strategy. Since the advent of videotape (and bigger, faster and more armored athletes) I think body checking has morphed from a game strategy to an intimidation tactic, egged on by crowds, instant replays and Don Cherry's "hockey's greatest hits" compilations. Players are told to "finish their checks" and to "hit players so hard you hope they never get up." NHL teams value toughness and players who hit hard. The game is not only about skill, but violence and intimidation, much like the NFL has changed from simply stopping a players progress with a tackle to more violent hits designed to establish physical dominance by bigger, faster and stronger athletes.

                          North Dakota's program likes to mold itself as an NHL feeder, and they take a great deal of pride in being the toughest team in college hockey and recruiting kids who thrive on this type of physical hockey. This isn't new. This goes back a least to the days of Jim Archibald in the mid-80s, when fighting was not the sin it is today, and the Sioux fans helped turned the shy 5-10, 185 pound Saskatchewan kid into a local folk hero who was willing to tangle with anyone. Since fighting has been legislated virtually out of college hockey in the 1990s, the hard and violent body check has taken on increased importance as the primary method of intimidation. UND doesn't play to injure, but there is no question that they are coached to play to the physical edge of the rules in order to increase the level of physical dominance and intimidation inflicted on opponents. The UND crowd thrives on it, and playing with this style of hockey is clearly seen as a badge of honor by many in Grand Forks and around pro hockey circles. No other program comes close to UND in this part of the game, and as long the Sioux can win this style and have enough skilled players to score goals, the UND fans love this style and the badazz reputation that goes with it. While other programs have players who make big hits when the opportunities present themselves, I think the many of the Sioux players are a little more pre-meditated - and conditioned to deliver a little extra mustard on their hits. This is just fine when it makes their team better able to win games, but when the physical intimidation edge slips over into penalties and injuries, that's when the red flag needs to go up.

                          Everyone likes a good hard hit, but they need to be legal hits, and many of the UND hits are very much on the border between legal and illegal. Thriving in this grey area has made UND into a feared program. But Sioux fans also need to understand that playing with that kind of edge is going to stir up some anger and resentment among those who value other aspects of the game.

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                            Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!

                            Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
                            In years gone by, checking was done mostly to separate a player from the puck as part of a defensive or offensive strategy. Since the advent of videotape (and bigger, faster and more armored athletes) I think body checking has morphed from a game strategy to an intimidation tactic, egged on by crowds, instant replays and Don Cherry's "hockey's greatest hits" compilations. Players are told to "finish their checks" and to "hit players so hard you hope they never get up." NHL teams value toughness and players who hit hard. The game is not only about skill, but violence and intimidation, much like the NFL has changed from simply stopping a players progress with a tackle to more violent hits designed to establish physical dominance by bigger, faster and stronger athletes.
                            I'm sure there is truth in some players trying to overwhelm their opponents out with a single knockout hit, but also don't overlook the cumulative effects of physically wearing down your opponent. Absorbing hits definitely fatigues the muscles and drains your energy reserves, and is mentally frustrating. Teams that pound their opponents for 2 periods can suddenly find themselves a half step ahead in the 3rd...
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                            • #15
                              Re: College Hockey...getting way too soft!

                              I agree with what many of you have said here. I guess my concern is that college hockey will NOT be the route that many of the top tier players will take on their way to the NHL. If the NHL starts to view college hockey as a "soft" game, they will most likely look to other leagues players for their future prospects. The players who have to decide whether to play college or junior hockey will also start to view junior hockey as their best chance to make the NHL.

                              I don't consider myself to be bias on this as just a Sioux fan. I'm a college hockey fan and probably attend more live hockey games where the Sioux aren't even playing. I just appreciate a hard-checking and very physical game, which in my opinion is what the NHL looks for in the style of future players. It's rare to watch a college game these days where guys finish their checks, and play the NHL style game...and when any team does (including the Sioux) they are generally spending alot of time on the penalty kill.
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