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Hentilson
03-18-2011, 11:21 PM
This is fantastic. We're not going to know anything until the last moment.

For example, if Michigan wins the CCHA consolation game, UNH drops down to t13 (a 4 seed) and BC goes west. But if Merrimack were to beat them in the Hockey East final, UNH would jump back up to 12. Then if Miami wins the CCHA, they drop back down to t13. The difference is huge, because if UNH is a 4, BC goes west (probably St. Louis) and Miami or Denver would come east to Manchester. That would totally change the brackets.

Quite a conundrum for BC fans, too. Win tomorrow and go west, lose tomorrow and stay east. Or lose tomorrow and still go west. :p

Is there any scenario where Dartmouth still makes it with a win over Colgate, or are we done with our loss to Cornell?

GRussinko
03-18-2011, 11:34 PM
Is there any scenario where Dartmouth still makes it with a win over Colgate, or are we done with our loss to Cornell?

Dartmouth is out regardless of tomorrow's outcomes.

jjchurchill
03-18-2011, 11:35 PM
Is there any scenario where Dartmouth still makes it with a win over Colgate, or are we done with our loss to Cornell?

We are done. Cornell hopefully beats Yale tm and a team that actually lasted in the playoffs will get to go to the tournament

Hentilson
03-18-2011, 11:37 PM
We are done. Cornell hopefully beats Yale tm and a team that actually lasted in the playoffs will get to go to the tournament

Yet another season of oh so close. Go Cornell I guess.

Thanks all for the clarifications

Priceless
03-18-2011, 11:39 PM
Is there any scenario where Dartmouth still makes it with a win over Colgate, or are we done with our loss to Cornell?

I think you're done.

Yale, NoDak and BC are 1 seeds. The 4th 1 seed will either be Miami, Merrimack, Denver or Michigan (in that order).
Those seven teams, plus Union, UMD, Notre Dame, Western, UNH and the AHA Champ are in.
The final 3 spots are Cornell (if they win the autobid), CC, RPI or UNO. Different scenarios yield different results.
I haven't found any scenario that gets anyone else in.

JimDahl
03-18-2011, 11:43 PM
Yale, NoDak and BC are 1 seeds. The 4th 1 seed will either be Miami, Merrimack, Denver or Michigan (in that order).
Those seven teams, plus Union, UMD, Notre Dame, Western, UNH and the AHA Champ are in.
The final 3 spots are Cornell (if they win the autobid), CC, RPI or UNO. Different scenarios yield different results.
I haven't found any scenario that gets anyone else in.
I think that's it, too.

As to which 3 of the final 4 (Cornell, CC, RPI, UNO) make it, I think it goes like this:
Yale beats Cornell -- Cornell is out
Cornell beats Yale, Dartmouth beats or ties Colgate, Michigan or Notre Dame wins — RPI is out
Cornell beats Yale, Dartmouth beats or ties Colgate, Notre Dame ties Michigan, Miami beats Western Michigan — RPI is out
Cornell beats Yale, Dartmouth beats or ties Colgate, Notre Dame ties Michigan, Western Michigan beats Miami — UNO is out
Cornell beats Yale, Colgate beats Dartmouth, Michigan beats Notre Dame — CC is out
Cornell beats Yale, Colgate beats Dartmouth, Notre Dame beats Michigan, Western Michigan beats Miami — UNO is out
Cornell beats Yale, Colgate beats Dartmouth, Notre Dame beats Michigan, Miami beats Western Michigan –- RPI is out
Cornell beats Yale, Colgate beats Dartmouth, Michigan ties Notre Dame, Miami beats Western Michigan -- CC is out
Cornell beats Yale, Colgate beats Dartmouth, Michigan ties Notre Dame, Western Michigan beats Miami -- UNO is out

burgie12
03-18-2011, 11:49 PM
I think that's it, too.

Cornell beats Yale, Dartmouth beats or ties Colgate -- RPI is out
Not a definite.


Atlantic Hockey
Championship game: RIT defeats Air Force
CCHA
Championship game: Western Michigan defeats Miami
Consolation game: Notre Dame and Michigan tie.
ECAC
Championship game: Cornell defeats Yale
Consolation game: Dartmouth and Colgate tie.
Hockey East
Championship game: Boston College defeats Merrimack
WCHA
Championship game: Denver defeats North Dakota

UNO is out.

Priceless
03-19-2011, 12:12 AM
Tonight's bracketology:



1 Yale (Ya)
2 North Dakota (ND)
3 Boston College (BC)
4 Miami (Mm)
5 Merrimack (Mr)
6 Denver (DU)
7 Michigan (Mi)
8 Union (Un)
9 Minnesota-Duluth (MD)
10 Notre Dame (Nt)
11 Western Michigan (WM)
12 New Hampshire (NH)
13 Nebraska-Omaha (NO)
14 Colorado College (CC)
15 Rensselaer (RP)




Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay
Yale Boston Coll Miami North Dakota
Union Denver Merrimack Michigan
Western UNH Notre Dame UMD
AHA Champ CC UNO RPI


If all favorites win tomorrow:


1 Yale (Ya)
2 North Dakota (ND)
3 Boston College (BC)
4 Miami (Mm)
5 Michigan (Mi)
6 Merrimack (Mr)
7 Denver (DU)
8 Union (Un)
9 Minnesota-Duluth (MD)
10 Western Michigan (WM)
11 Notre Dame (Nt)
12 Nebraska-Omaha (NO)
13 New Hampshire (NH)
14 Colorado College (CC)
15 Rensselaer (RP)
16 RIT (RT)




Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay
Yale Miami Boston Coll North Dakota
Union Merrimack Denver Michigan
UMD Western Notre Dame UNO
RIT UNH CC RPI

pgv
03-19-2011, 12:15 AM
Tonight's bracketology:



1 Yale (Ya)
2 North Dakota (ND)
3 Boston College (BC)
4 Miami (Mm)
5 Merrimack (Mr)
6 Denver (DU)
7 Michigan (Mi)
8 Union (Un)
9 Minnesota-Duluth (MD)
10 Notre Dame (Nt)
11 Western Michigan (WM)
12 New Hampshire (NH)
13 Nebraska-Omaha (NO)
14 Colorado College (CC)
15 Rensselaer (RP)




Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay
Yale Boston Coll Miami North Dakota
Union Denver Merrimack Michigan
Western UNH Notre Dame UMD
AHA Champ CC UNO RPI


If all favorites win tomorrow:


1 Yale (Ya)
2 North Dakota (ND)
3 Boston College (BC)
4 Miami (Mm)
5 Michigan (Mi)
6 Merrimack (Mr)
7 Denver (DU)
8 Union (Un)
9 Minnesota-Duluth (MD)
10 Western Michigan (WM)
11 Notre Dame (Nt)
12 Nebraska-Omaha (NO)
13 New Hampshire (NH)
14 Colorado College (CC)
15 Rensselaer (RP)
16 RIT (RT)




Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay
Yale Miami Boston Coll North Dakota
Union Merrimack Denver Michigan
UMD Western Notre Dame UNO
RIT UNH CC RPI


Oh the irony...Merrimack in Manchester, not BC

bronconick
03-19-2011, 12:19 AM
Question: Is there a possibility that the committee after all of the hard and fast rules tries to avoid non-conference rematches like the Union-Western Michigan one mentioned earlier? Or not a consideration?

Craig P.
03-19-2011, 12:20 AM
Question: Is there a possibility that the committee after all of the hard and fast rules tries to avoid non-conference rematches like the Union-Western Michigan one mentioned earlier? Or not a consideration?

In the relatively recent past, it hasn't been a consideration. They haven't even tried to avoid in-conference rematches of games that were played a week earlier!

Snively65
03-19-2011, 12:30 AM
Oh the irony...Merrimack in Manchester, not BC

Or, more irony, if UNH faces Miami in Manchvegas again, their seedings will be reversed from what they were in 2007.

burgie12
03-19-2011, 12:33 AM
In the relatively recent past, it hasn't been a consideration. They haven't even tried to avoid in-conference rematches of games that were played a week earlier!
Example? The only in-conference first round match-up since the tournament expanded to 16 teams was Denver v Wisconsin in 2008 when the WCHA placed 6 teams in the tournament (including 3 2-seeds and 2 3-seeds). Denver was matched with Wisconsin (hadn't played since January) instead of Minnesota (played in the Final 5 championship game). Not sure what game / match-up you're referring to above.

JimDahl
03-19-2011, 12:34 AM
Not a definite.


Consolation game: Notre Dame and Michigan tie.
Consolation game: Dartmouth and Colgate tie.


UNO is out.
You are, of course right. I had done it with straight W/L, then flubbed up the double-tie when trying to weave in those insidious ties. I tried fixing it, but have lost a little self-confidence :)

Onion Man
03-19-2011, 06:36 AM
NCAA hockey has to do one of two things: Either eliminate the rule that the host schools has to play in that regional or allow interconference first round matchups. The fact the UNH gets to play in Manchester is ridiculous. If there was ever a team that didn't deserve any postseason favors its UNH.

hockey east fan
03-19-2011, 10:00 AM
NCAA hockey has to do one of two things: Either eliminate the rule that the host schools has to play in that regional or allow interconference first round matchups. The fact the UNH gets to play in Manchester is ridiculous. If there was ever a team that didn't deserve any postseason favors its UNH.Well maybe BC should put in a bid to host scallion breath.

Priceless
03-19-2011, 10:01 AM
NCAA hockey has to do one of two things: Either eliminate the rule that the host schools has to play in that regional or allow interconference first round matchups. The fact the UNH gets to play in Manchester is ridiculous. If there was ever a team that didn't deserve any postseason favors its UNH.

Then schools won't bid to host. And Hockey East will only land three teams in the NCAA, you propose making two of them square off in the first round?

slurpees
03-19-2011, 10:51 AM
NCAA hockey has to do one of two things: Either eliminate the rule that the host schools has to play in that regional or allow interconference first round matchups. The fact the UNH gets to play in Manchester is ridiculous. If there was ever a team that didn't deserve any postseason favors its UNH.

number of times unh has made it to a frozen four from manchester is.......

BC/HE
03-19-2011, 10:53 AM
To summarize...

In if Cornell loses: Nebraska-Omaha, CC, RPI
In if Cornell wins: Cornell and two of those three (UNO, CC, RPI). UNO is in the strongest position, RPI the weakest.

My current outlook on possible PWR finishes -- NCAA Hockey Tournament shaping up (http://blog.siouxsports.com/2011/03/18/ncaa-tournament-field-shaping-up/) (I even think I got the ties right this time ;) )

I am fairly certain UNH can only get a number 3 seed if either Western Michigan wins or Notre Dame ties or wins yet the percentage you have is 63%. Is that based mostly on the chances of Notre Dame against Michigan since they split at Michigan earlier this year?

Priceless
03-19-2011, 12:23 PM
This is the TV Guide for today's games and pairwise implications of each. Numbers in parenthesis are DirecTV channels.

3:35 ET: CCHA Consolation #1 Michigan vs #2 Notre Dame (664)
If Michigan wins: They remain alive for the last #1 seed. Losses by Miami, Merrimack and Denver would land them at #4. UNO secures a spot.
If Notre Dame wins or there is a tie: Nothing is decided except Michigan cannot be a 1 seed.


4:00 ET: ECAC Consolation #2 Dartmouth vs #4 Colgate
If Dartmouth wins: RPI needs Yale to defeat Cornell or they're out.
If Colgate wins or ties: CC becomes huge Miami (and Yale) fans. UNO becomes huge Western fans.

7:00 ET: Hockey East Championship #1 Boston College vs #4 Merrimack (629)
If BC wins: They still have a shot at #2 overall if North Dakota loses to Denver. Merrimack cannot be a #1 seed.
If Merrimack wins: They still have a chance at a #1 seed if Miami loses to Western.

7:00 ET: ECAC Championship #2 Yale vs #3 Cornell (613)
If Yale wins: UNO, CC and RPI all clinch.
If Cornell wins: They secure an autobid and eliminate one of CC, RPI or UNO.

7:35 ET: CCHA Championship #3 Miami vs #4 Western Michigan (686)
If Miami wins: They are the final #1 seed.
If Western wins: Miami is the final #1 if Merrimack, Denver and Michigan all lose.

8:00 ET: WCHA Championship #1 North Dakota vs #2 Denver (668, 683)
If North Dakota wins: They secure the #2 overall seed; Denver cannot be a #1
If Denver wins: Denver can be the final #1 seed if Miami and Merrimack both have lost.

The only "magic" game is the ECAC Championship. If Yale wins then the 3 bubble teams all make it. If Cornell wins, all three are relying on a combination of game to clinch a berth.

The UNH situation is tricky as well. The easiest thing is for Notre Dame to win the early game. If winners are:

Dartmouth, Notre Dame, Miami = 12
Colgate, Notre Dame, Miami = 12
Dartmouth, Michigan, Western = 12
Dartmouth, Notre Dame, Western = 12
Colgate, Notre Dame, Western = 12

Dartmouth, Michigan, Miami = 13
Colgate, Michigan, Western = 13

Colgate, Michigan, Miami = 14