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jmhusker
02-09-2011, 08:37 AM
Oh I'm sure you expected BC to beat Miami and Wisconsin in 2010 and thought they were unbeateable.
I probably should have said "I thought they would win the tournament" rather than saying "I thought they were unbeatable". I agree that unbeatable is too strong of a term.

Nick Papagiorgio
02-09-2011, 08:48 AM
I thought BC was unbeatable in 2010. Not this year though.


This year's team has more talent

You're making a ton of sense right now!! :rolleyes:

Next you'll tell me that the team had better leadership last year. Sure!

More talent + same coaching staff = not unbeatable like last year. OK.

FWIW, this team has more experience, too. And while you think it remains to be seen what team is better based on what they do in the posteason, I really don't think it does. In a one and done format anything can happen and the best teams usually don't win it all. You're going to fit your argument around the holes everyone is shooting into it so I think you should just let this thread get back to normal and stop being a dopey fanboy.

jmhusker
02-09-2011, 09:16 AM
I think you should just let this thread get back to normal and stop being a dopey fanboy.
I'm going to do just that because there's no point in these "Black Knight" types of arguments. And if I were a fanboy, other than when they were playing RPI, I probably would have seen at least one BU home game in the 20 years I've lived in the Boston area - including 5 years that I actually attended part time. Hard to stop what was never started.

J.D.
02-09-2011, 10:14 AM
Those were nice wins at DU - I agree. I think the Dems were in control of congress back then though. Wins against BU and Maine are fine but those two teams are clearly not that good this year and I don't expect them to be in the tournament. UNH and Merrimack probably will be - that's why they matter.

You are all over the map here. You're discounting two early wins at Denver, yet you want to use three losses against UNH/Merrimack that happened before December. Let's try being consistent at least. It doesn't mean anything right now, but this BC team has a better record than they did at this time last year. Hockey East is in position to get three teams in the tourney right now--that would be the same as last year as well.


I thought BC was unbeatable in 2010. Not this year though.

You won't find one BC fan who thinks this team is "unbeatable"--which has been my whole point all along. (OK maybe Kenny thinks they are)

SteveF
02-09-2011, 08:30 PM
Wins against BU and Maine are fine but those two teams are clearly not that good this year and I don't expect them to be in the tournament.

just say what you want to say: BC's schedule isnt impressive because they dont get to play BC. I agree with you.

LTsatch
02-10-2011, 11:00 PM
Just my 0.02 about the stats folks on here

I am amazed and humbled by some of the stat work that takes place by our USCHO participants. It is a credit to your love of the game and your knowledge as well, I just thought as a rookie member of the herd here, that I would let you know that I appreciate and acknowledge all of the thought and hard work that the "stats" guys really contribute to this site. Please continue to show the members of this site how the numbers add up and never think that it is not appreciated. :)

Priceless
02-11-2011, 10:27 PM
The Mankato-CC game will have an impact on the PWR (including which teams are in the field). Mankato leads 2-1 in the 3rd.

mcfarljd
02-11-2011, 10:37 PM
The Mankato-CC game will have an impact on the PWR (including which teams are in the field). Mankato leads 2-1 in the 3rd.

Come onnnnnnn favorable results. I like seeing Miami finally back in again, even if its only at 15.

Priceless
02-11-2011, 10:39 PM
Come onnnnnnn favorable results. I like seeing Miami finally back in again, even if its only at 15.

Good news. Miami finishes #15 no matter the outcome :p
#14 can either be Western Michigan or Dartmouth.

du78
02-11-2011, 10:45 PM
The Mankato-CC game will have an impact on the PWR (including which teams are in the field). Mankato leads 2-1 in the 3rd.

I assume Air Force/Niagara will not effect the PWR tonight.

mcfarljd
02-11-2011, 10:50 PM
Good news. Miami finishes #15 no matter the outcome :p
#14 can either be Western Michigan or Dartmouth.

I like the scenario that winds up with Western there then. If not for another lazy last 10 minutes of the game that was a W instead of a tie tonight, so we can at least control that tomorrow to take another spot.

Priceless
02-11-2011, 10:57 PM
I assume Air Force/Niagara will not effect the PWR tonight.

Since I already have that a 3-2 AFA win, I hope not :p

Priceless
02-11-2011, 11:04 PM
Looks like Mankato will win...5-1 midway through the 3rd.


1 Yale (EC) 29 0.5811
2 Boston Coll (HE) 28 0.5821
3 North Dakota (WC) 26 0.5778
4 Denver U (WC) 25 0.5749
5 Minn-Duluth (WC) 25 0.5692
6 Merrimack (HE) 24 0.5554
7 Union (EC) 22 0.5594
8 New Hampshire (HE) 22 0.5575
9 RPI (EC) 22 0.5469
10 Notre Dame (CC) 19 0.5496
11 Wisconsin (WC) 19 0.5473
12 NE-Omaha (WC) 18 0.5414
13 Michigan (CC) 18 0.5469
14 Dartmouth (EC) 15 0.5433
15 Miami (CC) 15 0.5415
16 Western Mich (CC) 15 0.5401
17 Boston Univ (HE) 14 0.5402
18 CO College (WC) 11 0.5266
19 Princeton (EC) 11 0.5223
20 Ferris State (CC) 10 0.5150
21 MSU-Mankato (WC) 9 0.5162
22 Maine (HE) 8 0.5182
23 AK-Fairbanks (CC) 8 0.5149
24 Minnesota (WC) 6 0.5138
25 St Cloud (WC) 5 0.5051
26 AK-Anchorage (WC) 4 0.5064
27 Ohio State (CC) 3 0.5030
28 RIT (AH) 2 0.5027
29 Robert Morris (AH) 2 0.5043
30 Cornell (EC) 0 0.5013


Natural brackets:


Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay
Yale BC North Dakota Denver
UNH Union Merrimack UMD
RPI Notre Dame Wisconsin UNO
AHA Champ Miami Dartmouth Michigan

Accounting for hosts, intra-conference games and attendance


Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay
Yale BC North Dakota Denver
Union UNH UMD Merrimack
UNO RPI Notre Dame Wisconsin
AHA Champ Miami Dartmouth Michigan

Dartmouth can be swapped with Miami or Michigan to reduce flights/improve attendance (allegedly) in St. Louis.

redwings8831
02-11-2011, 11:10 PM
1. Yale (EC) - 29
2. Boston College (HE) - 28
3. North Dakota (WC) - 26
4. Denver (WC) - 25
5. Minnesota-Duluth (WC) - 25
6. Merrimack (HE) - 24
7. Union (EC) - 22
8. New Hampshire (HE) - 22
9. Rensselaer (EC) - 22
10. Notre Dame (CC) - 19
11. Wisconsin (WC) - 19
12. Nebraska-Omaha (WC) - 18
13. Michigan (CC) - 18
14. Dartmouth (EC) - 15
15. Miami (CC) - 15
16. Atlantic Hockey Champ (AH)

----------------------------

Bridgeport:
1. Yale (EC)
7. Union (EC)
12. Nebraska-Omaha (WC)
16. Atlantic Hockey Champ (AH)

Manchester:
2. Boston College (HE)
8. New Hampshire (HE)
9. Rensselaer (EC)
14. Dartmouth (EC)

St. Louis:
3. North Dakota (WC)
6. Merrimack (HE)
11. Wisconsin (WC)
15. Miami (CC)

Green Bay:
4. Denver (WC)
5. Minnesota-Duluth (WC)
10. Notre Dame (CC)
13. Michigan (CC)

redwings8831
02-11-2011, 11:12 PM
Dartmouth can be swapped with Miami or Michigan to reduce flights/improve attendance (allegedly) in St. Louis.

Miami is within 400 miles of St. Louis, so they could bus there.

Fighting Sioux 23
02-11-2011, 11:16 PM
Miami is within 400 miles of St. Louis, so they could bus there.

While I agree with putting Miami in St. Louis, I think Wisconsin will almost assuradely be in Green Bay.

du78
02-11-2011, 11:20 PM
While I agree with putting Miami in St. Louis, I think Wisconsin will almost assuradely be in Green Bay.

That would give a WCHA first round match-up right now with UMD.

redwings8831
02-11-2011, 11:27 PM
That would give a WCHA first round match-up right now with UMD.

Nope, just move the Merrimack/Wisconsin matchup to Green Bay, and the Minnesota-Duluth/Notre Dame matchup to St. Louis. I didn't do this in my projection because UMD and Notre Dame are both within busing to Green Bay, while only Notre Dame is busing to St. Louis.

Option 1:
St. Louis:
#6 Merrimack (fly)
#11 Wisconsin (bus)

Green Bay:
#5 UMD (bus)
#10 Notre Dame (bus)

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Option 2:
Green Bay:
#6 Merrimack (fly)
#11 Wisconsin (bus)

St. Louis:
#5 UMD (fly)
#10 Notre Dame (bus)

Priceless
02-11-2011, 11:36 PM
Nope, just move the Merrimack/Wisconsin matchup to Green Bay, and the Minnesota-Duluth/Notre Dame matchup to St. Louis. I didn't do this in my projection because UMD and Notre Dame are both within busing to Green Bay, while only Notre Dame is busing to St. Louis.

Option 1:
St. Louis:
#6 Merrimack (fly)
#11 Wisconsin (bus)

Green Bay:
#5 UMD (bus)
#10 Notre Dame (bus)

---------------

Option 2:
Green Bay:
#6 Merrimack (fly)
#11 Wisconsin (bus)

St. Louis:
#5 UMD (fly)
#10 Notre Dame (bus)

How the NCAA will look at it:

Option 1: Empty arenas in St Louis and Green Bay.
Option 2: Empty arena in St Louis.

Edit: You could take the whole St Louis bracket and switch it with Green Bay. Notre Dame and UMD can both bus there and NoDak will bring a good supply of fans; two of the biggest fan bases (Michigan, Wisconsin) are seeded in St Louis. But that's a big financial risk for the NCAA to take.

Priceless
02-12-2011, 10:57 AM
The TUC line:


26 RIT 0.5062
27 St Cloud 0.5052
28 Robert Morris 0.5044
29 Ohio State 0.5030
30 Cornell 0.5015
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31 Mich State 0.4979
32 Quinnipiac 0.4978
33 Northern Mich 0.4969
34 Bemidji State 0.4966
35 Clarkson 0.4936