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brookyone
01-03-2011, 12:25 PM
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brookyone
01-03-2011, 03:12 PM
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/

I suspected...after handling the Lakers.

OnMAA
01-03-2011, 09:31 PM
the question remains after this past weekend's game... what 5 voters still believe the Lakers deserved the #1 vote...? and what is their justification

Waddayu talking about. Lakers did not get any first place votes according to the poll in the link.

MICZamboni
01-03-2011, 09:49 PM
the question remains after this past weekend's game... what 5 voters still believe the Lakers deserved the #1 vote...? and what is their justification

Must be in the leftover holiday eggnog again?

BadgerFan11
01-03-2011, 10:10 PM
Must be in the leftover holiday eggnog again?

apologies. Mis-read the poll as 'hurst in #2 spot

granddaddyscout
01-06-2011, 10:52 AM
Where should Cornell be ranked if they lose to Hurst on Jan 18th. It is not their fault, but with a schedule that includes only 1 top 10 team it seems hard to understand how they maintian their lofty ranking. Anyone else think this seems odd?

ARM
01-06-2011, 11:20 AM
Where should Cornell be ranked if they lose to Hurst on Jan 18th. It is not their fault, but with a schedule that includes only 1 top 10 team it seems hard to understand how they maintian their lofty ranking. Anyone else think this seems odd?They haven't lost a game in regulation this year after advancing to the championship game last season. While I don't agree with the logic of those who voted them #1 this week over Wisconsin, I have no problem with them being #2. Who should be #2 if not the Big Red? BU's schedule has some question marks as well, having played 3 teams in the top 10 and not sweeping any of them (BC - split, UND - split, PC - win/tie).

Of the ranked teams right now, I'd probably most question Providence, especially in the USA Today poll. There are voters placing the Friars above all of Minnesota, North Dakota, and Ohio St, and all of those teams have better wins than PC does. IMO, some voters look at record and nothing else.

granddaddyscout
01-06-2011, 10:17 PM
They haven't lost a game in regulation this year after advancing to the championship game last season. While I don't agree with the logic of those who voted them #1 this week over Wisconsin, I have no problem with them being #2. Who should be #2 if not the Big Red? BU's schedule has some question marks as well, having played 3 teams in the top 10 and not sweeping any of them (BC - split, UND - split, PC - win/tie).

Of the ranked teams right now, I'd probably most question Providence, especially in the USA Today poll. There are voters placing the Friars above all of Minnesota, North Dakota, and Ohio St, and all of those teams have better wins than PC does. IMO, some voters look at record and nothing else.

I jsut don't see Cornell being that close to the Badgers, I think they would have 2-3 loses with a tougher schedule. In my opinion UDM and Hurst are stronger teams. The Boston schools seem to be a bit over rated as well.

D2D
01-06-2011, 11:10 PM
I jsut don't see Cornell being that close to the Badgers, I think they would have 2-3 loses with a tougher schedule. In my opinion UDM and Hurst are stronger teams. The Boston schools seem to be a bit over rated as well.

Having seen Cornell play last year and considering the excellent new players they've added this year, I have to respectfully disagree. Based on their record and consistent ability to put W's on the board, I believe their No. 2 ranking is justified - for now. That said, I do agree that they would likely have another loss or two or even three if they had been playing a mostly WCHA schedule. As would Mercyhurst, and as does UMD now. We've seen what teams like UND, BSU and OSU are capable of on a good day, and of course Minnesota is no slouch either. Then you have UMD and Wisconsin - a tough group to compete against week in and week out!

comefrombehind
01-08-2011, 06:38 AM
While you raise a fair question, granddaddyscout, I would tend to agree with D2D. In its last 27 games, spanning two seasons, Cornell has 25 wins and 2 losses in overtime --3OT to UMD and OT to Mercyhurst (never trailing until the final goal). Four of the wins were against then top ten opponents: Mercyhurst #1, Harvard #4, Clarkson #6, Harvard #10. If you have the chance to see the Cornell team play, I expect you might feel otherwise.

RStarr
01-08-2011, 09:01 AM
Four of the wins were against then top ten opponents: Mercyhurst #1, Harvard #4, Clarkson #6, Harvard #10.
Clarkson is not even close to being a top ten team....or ever has been this season. Polls from the first week don't count. :p

comefrombehind
01-08-2011, 10:07 AM
Last season.

ARM
01-10-2011, 02:39 PM
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/)

January 10, 2011
<PRE> Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (12) 20-2-0 147 1
2 Cornell ( 3) 15-1-0 138 2
3 Boston University 16-2-3 111 3
4 Minnesota-Duluth 12-5-1 106 4
5 Mercyhurst 16-4-0 94 5
6 Boston College 13-3-4 68 6
7 Minnesota 15-6-0 64 7
8 North Dakota 10-7-3 31 8
9 Providence 14-7-1 22 9
10 Northeastern 12-5-4 16 NR
Others Receiving Votes: Quinnipiac 12, Bemidji State 8, Ohio State 4, Princeton 4 </PRE>

granddaddyscout
01-10-2011, 05:20 PM
They haven't lost a game in regulation this year after advancing to the championship game last season. While I don't agree with the logic of those who voted them #1 this week over Wisconsin, I have no problem with them being #2. Who should be #2 if not the Big Red? BU's schedule has some question marks as well, having played 3 teams in the top 10 and not sweeping any of them (BC - split, UND - split, PC - win/tie).

Of the ranked teams right now, I'd probably most question Providence, especially in the USA Today poll. There are voters placing the Friars above all of Minnesota, North Dakota, and Ohio St, and all of those teams have better wins than PC does. IMO, some voters look at record and nothing else.


My original ? was where should they be ranked if they lose to Mercyhurst. What are your thoughts? Let's assume that Hurst wins out, do they jump ahead of Cornell and stay there? Let's assume that UMD win's out except for 1-2 losses against the Badgers, do they jump in front of Cornell to the end. My point simply is that Cornel is probably going to win all their games except for Hurst. If that happens they will have lost twice to the only top 10 team they play. Will they once again leap frog Hurst f Hurst suffers a loss?

I agree with you on the pollsters evaluations regarding W/L records. I do think PC with Lacasse in net can justify a top 10 ranking though.

PrincetonFan
01-10-2011, 08:09 PM
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/)
Others Receiving Votes: Quinnipiac 12, Bemidji State 8, Ohio State 4, Princeton 4 </PRE>

When Princeton was 3-10-1 I would have never thought this was possible.

OnMAA
01-10-2011, 09:19 PM
where should they be ranked if they lose to Mercyhurst. What are your thoughts? Let's assume that Hurst wins out, do they jump ahead of Cornell and stay there?

Lots to consider, but if Cornell loses to Mercyhurst for a second time, they should not be in the top three. Then the fact that there are no other ECAC teams in the top ten is really starting to hurt the ranking for Cornell. On the other side, if the Big Red wins over Mercyhurst they will most likely head into the tournament as the second seed, unless Wisco falters down the stretch.

granddaddyscout
01-11-2011, 10:36 AM
Lots to consider, but if Cornell loses to Mercyhurst for a second time, they should not be in the top three. Then the fact that there are no other ECAC teams in the top ten is really starting to hurt the ranking for Cornell. On the other side, if the Big Red wins over Mercyhurst they will most likely head into the tournament as the second seed, unless Wisco falters down the stretch.

I agree with your assessment, how do you see the top 4 and bottom 4 playing out? Here are my thoughts 1. Wisco, 2. Hurst, 3. UDM, 4. Cornell ( this assumes a Hurst win over Red, 3 and 4 could swap) then I see UND, Minny, somewhere in the bottom 4 with BC, BU, and PC competing for the other remaining spots. I think PC with Lacasse in net will grab a spot. How do you see it?

ARM
01-11-2011, 11:26 AM
My original ? was where should they be ranked if they lose to Mercyhurst. What are your thoughts? Let's assume that Hurst wins out, do they jump ahead of Cornell and stay there? Let's assume that UMD win's out except for 1-2 losses against the Badgers, do they jump in front of Cornell to the end.


Lots to consider, but if Cornell loses to Mercyhurst for a second time, they should not be in the top three.I don't agree with that, especially if the game is as competitive as the first meeting. One can question Cornell's record and say they should drop, but some other team has to be deserving of passing them. UMD? First, I don't see them as poised to run any tables. They haven't swept a series since October, and I expect they'll lose again as early as this weekend.;) BU and BC? Not sure just how strong/weak either of them are. They seem pretty close. Both have disappointing results that fans explain away by missing personnel. The bottom line is that all of the top teams have had to play without key players this season, and when you look at the schedule and results for Wisconsin and Cornell, you can't tell when these absences occurred, suggesting that the best teams just win. Eventually, either BC or BU will get a distinct advantage over the other, one will be positioned in the top 4, and the other will have to fight for an NCAA spot. So that leaves Mercyhurst. Yes, they'd have the two H2H wins, but you can't just write off their four losses. Excuse the one to Wisconsin, but Cornell isn't losing to the Niagara, SLU, and BSU caliber teams. And as mediocre as the ECAC is, the CHA has its own problems. The CHA doesn't have the weak bottom teams that are found in the ECAC, but I'm not sure anyone in the CHA after MC is as good as Princeton or Quinnipiac. So maybe a Laker win moves them past Cornell, but I don't think that's a lock. Cornell is the best defensive team in the country statistically, while MC is middle of the pack. So I'd say Cornell has a better chance against a team like the Badgers.

As for PC, I recognize that they have a great goalie. They are capable of staying close to very good teams. But they have yet to post a huge win. I'd be interested in seeing someone make a case as to why they are better than teams like North Dakota, Bemidji State, or even Ohio State. I'm not saying that they aren't as good. I just don't think that they've proven they are better.

OnMAA
01-11-2011, 11:28 AM
I agree with your assessment, how do you see the top 4 and bottom 4 playing out? Here are my thoughts 1. Wisco, 2. Hurst, 3. UDM, 4. Cornell ( this assumes a Hurst win over Red, 3 and 4 could swap) then I see UND, Minny, somewhere in the bottom 4 with BC, BU, and PC competing for the other remaining spots. I think PC with Lacasse in net will grab a spot. How do you see it?

I see Wisco as the clear No 1 right now. At full strength would have the Big Red still second and beating MC next week, but if their top tender cannot go (She was not playing last weekend), the nod would go to MC to win that game, in which case the Big Red will fall out of the top four. I see BU as a top four team. IMHO people are not giving them enough credit. UMD is the other top contender.

So given the injury reports and from what I've seen this is how it will be by the end of this month:

1 - Wisco
2 - BU
3 - MC
4 - UMD
5 - Cornell
6,7,8 Minny, ND and BC

UCONN FAN
01-11-2011, 12:25 PM
BU and BC? Not sure just how strong/weak either of them are. They seem pretty close. Both have disappointing results that fans explain away by missing personnel. The bottom line is that all of the top teams have had to play without key players this season, and when you look at the schedule and results for Wisconsin and Cornell, you can't tell when these absences occurred, suggesting that the best teams just win.



Your dismissal of BC and BU is surprising. Disappointing results? Are you refering to the games played during the 4 Nations tournament? Everybody realizes that some of the teams have had to play without key personell and sometimes the best team wins. To look at Wisconsin and Cornell's records, (you are right) you can't tell when their key personell was missing. THAT'S BEACUSE BOTH SCHOOLS WERE OFF THE WEEK OF THE FOUR NATIONS!