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  • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

    Originally posted by nhhockeyguy15 View Post
    I haven't seen the reports, and if the case is correct, I think UNH is missing the boat. You can't risk losing high end talant. And you are right, I would much rather see him now, then see another lesser player for 4 years, and a player who only gets most of his career playing time in his last 2 years, b/c the coachs reward those upperclassman who stay and work hard. Even if they have a more talented playing who is freshman 18/19 years old.
    There seems to be a talent evaluation problem these days. Thrush, who has played well for a Freshman, (I would like more scoring) was pulled in a year early. Why is there all this pushing out pulling in with UNH, I don't check with a fine tooth comb but other programs don't seem to have as much movement with recruits.
    "Now Progress Takes Away What Forever Took To Find" Dave Matthews Band, The Dreaming Tree

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      Originally posted by Saetia22 View Post
      This is ridiculous. ANOTHER '91?!?!!?!?? What is happening?? This is unbelievable.
      It looks like UNH is starting to do what UML & Merrimack does. They bring in classes that are built around 20-22 year old freshman. So that when they are Jr & Sr's they are more physically mature then most other players around them. Yeah I said it. That is why both Lowell and Merrimack are as good as they are. Look at the rosters and the ages. Granted Merrimack has a really good goalie, but he also happens to be a 21 year old Sr (22 on Jan 2). Oh yeah, there are only 3 other players on the roster that are younger then him, based on the ages at the start of the season (not based on actual birthdates), 2 of those are 20 year old freshman, and 1 is a sophmore. Of the Jr. & Sr's only one of those classes have a player younger then him and it is one of the goalies, and he is a JR and only younger by 6 months. Looks like UNH is just trying to push back all the high end tallant so that they will all be 24-25 year old Seniors.

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      • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

        this is the ESPN High School story that ran on the website, not sure if anyone has seen it.

        http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/high-...d-committed-to

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        • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

          Originally posted by nhhockeyguy15 View Post
          this is the ESPN High School story that ran on the website, not sure if anyone has seen it.

          http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/high-...d-committed-to
          This is really frustrating to read about how the UNH coaching staff handled the situation.

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          • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

            very classy kid, took the high road

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            • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

              All the best to the kid. Was looking forward to seeing him come to UNH and hopefully do what Collins and Saviano did before him.

              Another head scratcher coming from the 9th Ivy.

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              • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

                Originally posted by Dan View Post
                EJHL players making the jump to NCAA top-lines (i.e. Paul Thompson and Bobby Butler) are the exception unfortunately.
                Bobby Butler notched 14+ minutes and three of the Senators' 48 shots on the B's last night, after getting benched the previous game for supposedly not shooting enough.

                Sadly, this thead is getting a lot more attention than the UNH seasonal thread.

                But, there have been some excellent posts from many diehard Wildcats fans. Thanks to all of you.

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                • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

                  Even with the success that UNH has had recently, it seems like they've been slowly morphing into a one line team, whereas 10 years ago they would regularly skate 2-3 lines that could create offense.

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                  • Originally posted by NCAA watcher
                    http://itemlive.com/articles/2011/12...s/sports04.txt

                    "One of the problems is they overcommitted. They wanted to push me back." "UNH is a great school with a great program; they just overcommitted," Vecchione said.

                    I killed Mike Eaves for doing this, and now we can join that lamentable crew. Except, of course, Eaves over-recruited good players who won a National Championship, while we over-recruited 4th liners. And, of course, our recruiting coordinator committed NCAA recruiting violations that led to two years probation.

                    UNH - perfecting the loss of high end recruits while trying to overcompensate with "just another guys."

                    Good for Mike, best of luck to you.
                    Agreed, wish him the best of luck. Honestly, you can't blame him. They asked a top recruit to defer for a year while the current team is their weakest in many years. That doesn't work.

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                    • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

                      Originally posted by NCAA watcher
                      http://itemlive.com/articles/2011/12...s/sports04.txt

                      "One of the problems is they overcommitted. They wanted to push me back." "UNH is a great school with a great program; they just overcommitted," Vecchione said.

                      I killed Mike Eaves for doing this, and now we can join that lamentable crew. Except, of course, Eaves over-recruited good players who won a National Championship, while we over-recruited 4th liners. And, of course, our recruiting coordinator committed NCAA recruiting violations that led to two years probation.

                      UNH - perfecting the loss of high end recruits while trying to overcompensate with "just another guys."

                      Good for Mike, best of luck to you.
                      Being the good Lynner that I am, I subscribe to the local paper. When I sat down to spend my five good minutes with it - crime beat, obits, and sports - I was flabbergasted to see that the Vecchione issue was featured. Knowing the Item as I do, there is no way that the writer sought out this story. Vecchione is from Saugus, so the impetus for the story might have come from a family or friend, or it could have come from his former coach and Saugus native, Chris Serino. I am a very cynical person when it comes to this stuff, so I would opt for the latter, not the former. Not exactly sure what the motivation was, but it doesn't make UNH look good, that's for sure.

                      This leads me to the larger picture. I talked to a good friend of mine last night, someone as passionate about the Wildcats as me and everybody else on this board. His take, and I am beginning to agree, is that things are going to go from bad to worse. It appears that we have the gang that can't shoot straight phenomenon here. Maybe we have it all wrong and Vechionne wasn't the highest rated forward in the class of 2012, but even if he wasn't, he was promised that his path to UNH would be a short one. But now, at the mid point of his junior hockey year he os being asked to slog it out for another full season in Nebraska. Doesn't wash with me. And worse, it sends the wrong message to any other player that UNH recruits and wants to park in the USHL for a year or two. Take it from one who has been in sales for his entire career, if you don't keep your word, if you backtrack, you're toast.

                      Also would like someone to shed some light on admissions. Apparently the school now has delusions that they can be the Michigan or Berkeley of New England. Clearly UNH has been trying to clean up their image as a top ten party school. Good for them. And there is nothing wrong with attempting to elevate the quality of the student body. But I am not quite clear why the hockey program has been singled out here. Over the years UNH Hockey has had a fabulous graduation rate, well over 90%, with several of their players, including All-Americans like Flashians and Regan, truly excelling in the classroom. Given the track record, it puzzles me no end as to why the worm has turned. It is clearly the top reason why Lassonde left as he had many offers to leave previously and always turned them down. If admission is, in fact, reluctant to balance their standards with the needs of the hockey team, I sure hope the rationale was conveyed to the athletic director and coaching staff.

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                      • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

                        Originally posted by WildShawn View Post
                        All the best to the kid. Was looking forward to seeing him come to UNH and hopefully do what Collins and Saviano did before him.

                        Another head scratcher coming from the 9th Ivy.
                        That's for sure- thought this kid could've been the cornerstone of a strong upward trend and expressed himself with a lot of maturity. He obviously can't wait to play college hockey- boy, really sounds like UNH played the wrong hand here- what coach doesn't want that?

                        We have not heard from C-H-C on the matter. No doubt that he's probably digging up a story.
                        Last edited by i'zonprize; 12-15-2011, 07:26 PM.
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                        • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

                          Starting to feel like the mid-1980's. A shifting national landscape in college hockey, and an aging coaching staff that is losing touch.
                          UNH Hockey: From "Why Not Us' to "Woe is Us"

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                          • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

                            Originally posted by Dan View Post
                            I'm frustrated with the early commitments to players like Hill and Smith who haven't shown the promise or offensive skill we were led to believe they had.
                            Honest question. I'm not a guy that gets worked up with recruiting. Who "led" you to believe anything about these incoming players?

                            Originally posted by nhhockeyguy15 View Post
                            Looks like UNH is just trying to push back all the high end tallant so that they will all be 24-25 year old Seniors.
                            IF that is the case, it's just a terrible strategy. It's almost inconceivable that a D1 coach would try it. It's basic stuff. High-end talent doesn't stick around wasting time in the USHL or EJHL until they are 20.
                            Originally posted by reBlur
                            the sober Trivino I know is not a guy who would force his way into a girl's room and attempt to rape her. I can't imagine him ever making anyone even feel uncomfortable when he's sober.There are plenty of players in my time covering the team who have looked at me differently or flirted with me or the like. Trivino has never been one of those players. Even outside of the rink, he'll say hi and is plenty of friendly, but has never been even close to saying or doing anything inappropriate.

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                            • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

                              Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
                              This leads me to the larger picture. I talked to a good friend of mine last night, someone as passionate about the Wildcats as me and everybody else on this board. His take, and I am beginning to agree, is that things are going to go from bad to worse. It appears that we have the gang that can't shoot straight phenomenon here. Maybe we have it all wrong and Vechionne wasn't the highest rated forward in the class of 2012, but even if he wasn't, he was promised that his path to UNH would be a short one. But now, at the mid point of his junior hockey year he os being asked to slog it out for another full season in Nebraska. Doesn't wash with me. And worse, it sends the wrong message to any other player that UNH recruits and wants to park in the USHL for a year or two. Take it from one who has been in sales for his entire career, if you don't keep your word, if you backtrack, you're toast.
                              G.Ambrose- If you've been in sales that long then you know as well that that at times you need to deliver news that you may not want to and know will not go over will with your client/customer. Nobody likes it- but it's how you handle it that matters. The ethical portion of your statement comes down to intent- Did UNH intend on pushing him from the get go? Did they intend on Correale getting hurt and needing to defer? Did they expect to have to push Smith and Hill, bring in Thrush early when MV made his commitment? I don't think so, IMO. Things happened and they had to make decisions.

                              Would we rather UNH pull the plug on their commitments, like BC did with Teffenworth? I would think that woud be worse from a perception standpoint (given BC pension for commiting scholarhsips to kids that probably still have their moms making their lunch and putting their clothes out for them) than asking a recruit, even a good one, to play another yr- so that he can get the ice time you think he deserves as well as impact your program to the degree you think he is capable of.

                              Regarding your ranking comment- maybe you are right. Smith, Hill & Correalle all with 3,3 and 4yrs of Jr experience respectively, might be favored as "college ready"- vs. Vecchione- straight out of the Catholic league in MA, w/ 17games of jr experience. McDonald is a B rated skater- so--- maybe Vecchione drew the short stick on that one- of course then there is Max G. 2 yrs of jr experience-

                              either way- we all beleived that Mike was a solid recruit- stinks that he'll be playing somewhere else. It's up to UNH now to either re-sell him or find someone else. There is plenty of time.
                              Last edited by i'zonprize; 12-16-2011, 06:04 AM.
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                              • Re: UNH Recruits: 2012-2014

                                Originally posted by PSW View Post
                                My guess in wanting to push Vecchione back a year has to do with the need to free up money for next year. That money would be used to go after some ā€œDā€. I would not be surprised if we heard something about this sooner than later..
                                Chevier leaving......is this what causes Vecchione situation? As we know "D" this year has been rough.... Lack of foot speed and high end skill. When Hardowa was out they put Pav's in the line up as a "D". Obviosly the coaches do not to much conifidence in Chevrier or Randall to make a impact at this point. I believe UNH is in the hunt for "D" that can make a impact next year. So to do that they need to free up as money now. Quast a older player my be able to step in. I would not be surpired is they recuit another "D" for next year. They probobly figure that are deep enough in forward for next year
                                PSW
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