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pokecheck101
11-15-2010, 03:22 PM
I agree with your statement about it being hard to judge. However, this very logic prompts me to ask on what basis you feel that UWRF should be ranked fourth, ahead of Norwich, for example? Why not third or fifth? Maybe we should just split the poll into an East poll and a West poll?

East
1.) Amherst
2.) RIT
3.) Platty
4.) Norwich
5.) Middlebury
6.) Manhattanville
7.) Trinity
8.) Elmira
9.) Oswego
10.) Neumann

West
1.) Gustavus
2.) River Falls
3.) Lake Forrest
4.) Stevens Point
5.) St. Kates
6.) Superior
7.) St. Marys
8.) Concordia MN
9.) St. Norbert
10.) Adrian

Overall

1.) Amherst
2.) RIT
3.) Platty
4.) Gustavus
5.) Norwich
6.) River Falls
7.) Middlebury
8.) Lake Forest
9.) Stevens Point
10.) Manhattanville

PrezdeJohnson09
11-15-2010, 03:29 PM
USCHO.com Division III Women's Poll
Minneapolis, Minn./November 15, 2010

Team (First Place) Record Pts Last Week
1 Amherst (13) 0-0-0 147 1
2 Plattsburgh ( 1) 3-0-0 130 2
3 RIT ( 1) 6-0-0 122 3
4 Norwich 5-1-0 92 4
5 Gustavus Adolphus 4-0-0 90 5
6 Wisconsin-River Falls 3-0-0 74 6
7 Middlebury 0-0-0 59 7
8 Manhattanville 4-1-0 34 9
9 Elmira 3-2-1 26 8
10 Trinity 0-0-0 22 10

Others Receiving Votes: Wisconsin-Stevens Point 14,
Lake Forest 9, Adrian 3, St. Catherine 2,
Wisconsin-Superior 1

The USCHO.com Poll is compiled weekly and consists of 15 voters, including 14 coaches of Division III programs and one women's hockey writer. USCHO.com provides in-depth coverage of college hockey.

gojackets
11-15-2010, 04:18 PM
I agree with your statement about it being hard to judge. However, this very logic prompts me to ask on what basis you feel that UWRF should be ranked fourth, ahead of Norwich, for example? Why not third or fifth? Maybe we should just split the poll into an East poll and a West poll?

such an assanine discussion. Why should should RIT be 2 and Plattsburgh 3? There aren't enough comparitive results at this point to make that justification. I think River Falls is going to win the NCHA and probably make waves in the Frozen Four this year...just throwin that out there...meaning I predict our first western champion.

gojackets
11-15-2010, 04:22 PM
East
1.) Amherst
2.) RIT
3.) Platty
4.) Norwich
5.) Middlebury
6.) Manhattanville
7.) Trinity
8.) Elmira
9.) Oswego
10.) Neumann

West
1.) Gustavus
2.) River Falls
3.) Lake Forrest
4.) Stevens Point
5.) St. Kates
6.) Superior
7.) St. Marys
8.) Concordia MN
9.) St. Norbert
10.) Adrian

Overall

1.) Amherst
2.) RIT
3.) Platty
4.) Gustavus
5.) Norwich
6.) River Falls
7.) Middlebury
8.) Lake Forest
9.) Stevens Point
10.) Manhattanville

This is why you can't have an east poll and a west poll. Their just aren't enough teams to make it worthwhile. Neuman at 2-2, Elmira at 2-3, , Norbert at 4-3.

Mnhock...i'm only giving love to Point until Superior sweeps their next 3 games :) :)

gojackets
11-15-2010, 04:25 PM
USCHO.com Division III Women's Poll
Minneapolis, Minn./November 15, 2010

Team (First Place) Record Pts Last Week
1 Amherst (13) 0-0-0 147 1
2 Plattsburgh ( 1) 3-0-0 130 2
3 RIT ( 1) 6-0-0 122 3
4 Norwich 5-1-0 92 4
5 Gustavus Adolphus 4-0-0 90 5
6 Wisconsin-River Falls 3-0-0 74 6
7 Middlebury 0-0-0 59 7
8 Manhattanville 4-1-0 34 9
9 Elmira 3-2-1 26 8
10 Trinity 0-0-0 22 10

Others Receiving Votes: Wisconsin-Stevens Point 14,
Lake Forest 9, Adrian 3, St. Catherine 2,
Wisconsin-Superior 1

The USCHO.com Poll is compiled weekly and consists of 15 voters, including 14 coaches of Division III programs and one women's hockey writer. USCHO.com provides in-depth coverage of college hockey.

I really don't see the justification for Elmira being in the poll at this point in time. Their losses were to ranked teams, but they also tie Oswego..who just tied Cortland twice.

nyi19
11-15-2010, 04:50 PM
I really don't see the justification for Elmira being in the poll at this point in time. Their losses were to ranked teams, but they also tie Oswego..who just tied Cortland twice.

History would show that ties don't affect teams as much as we might think they should compared to losses in this poll...if you tie you're given the benefit of the doubt. The fact that the NESCAC hasn't played yet is also affecting the poll a bit I think.

PrezdeJohnson09
11-15-2010, 09:18 PM
I really don't see the justification for Elmira being in the poll at this point in time. Their losses were to ranked teams, but they also tie Oswego..who just tied Cortland twice.

They just split with Manhattanville.

Personally I didn't have them in. But, I can see why they are still getting votes. It's Elmira. It's going to take a drastic event for them to drop out of the poll. Same thing for Middlebury and Plattsburgh.

Amherst, RIT, and Gustavus Adolphus are probably in that boat too now.

nyi19
11-15-2010, 09:52 PM
They just split with Manhattanville.

Personally I didn't have them in. But, I can see why they are still getting votes. It's Elmira. It's going to take a drastic event for them to drop out of the poll. Same thing for Middlebury and Plattsburgh.

Amherst, RIT, and Gustavus Adolphus are probably in that boat too now.

Agreed. I think we saw that in the fact that the Plattsburgh men are still ranked this week :eek: Some teams just get respect, deservedly so or not.

spike
11-16-2010, 08:33 AM
such an assanine discussion. Why should should RIT be 2 and Plattsburgh 3? There aren't enough comparitive results at this point to make that justification. I think River Falls is going to win the NCHA and probably make waves in the Frozen Four this year...just throwin that out there...meaning I predict our first western champion.

I can live with being called assanine, as long as you didn't mean to call me assinine. At this stage RIT belongs in front of Platty based on their quality win over Norwich while Platty has played no quality opponents. My point was that you can compare RIT and Platty, but how can you compare UWRF and Norwich?

gojackets
11-16-2010, 04:05 PM
I can live with being called assanine, as long as you didn't mean to call me assinine. At this stage RIT belongs in front of Platty based on their quality win over Norwich while Platty has played no quality opponents. My point was that you can compare RIT and Platty, but how can you compare UWRF and Norwich?

I called the discussion assanine. My point is that with no comparitive results its impossible to say that RIT is better than Plattsburgh or vice versa. They have no common opponents or anything to judge that on. The same way you can't compare Norwich and River Falls. I understand the difficulty in ranking the teams, but to blindly say that the east trumps the western teams constantly is the assanine part of the discussion. You folks will always feel that way, until in a one and done situation 600 miles from home a top western team beats the best two eastern teams on consecutive nights in March. I get that.

Along the same lines why are there any non-WCHA teams even ranked in the D1 women's poll then?

The D1 women's poll should read
WI
UMD
MN
ND
Bemidji
Ohio State
St Cloud
MNSU
Cornell
Mercyhurst

Just because we have struggles at the FF doesn't mean the west teams are inferior to the east.

spike
11-17-2010, 09:10 AM
I called the discussion assanine. My point is that with no comparitive results its impossible to say that RIT is better than Plattsburgh or vice versa. They have no common opponents or anything to judge that on. The same way you can't compare Norwich and River Falls. I understand the difficulty in ranking the teams, but to blindly say that the east trumps the western teams constantly is the assanine part of the discussion. You folks will always feel that way, until in a one and done situation 600 miles from home a top western team beats the best two eastern teams on consecutive nights in March. I get that.

Along the same lines why are there any non-WCHA teams even ranked in the D1 women's poll then?

The D1 women's poll should read
WI
UMD
MN
ND
Bemidji
Ohio State
St Cloud
MNSU
Cornell
Mercyhurst

Just because we have struggles at the FF doesn't mean the west teams are inferior to the east.

Sorry, I'm still not buying it. If us "Easterners" suggested that Utica or Colby should rank ahead of Western teams then your analogy to DI might hold water. All I suggested was that ranking UWRF ahead of Norwich requires comparisons that don't exist, and I think you agreed with me. Ergo, we should do separate regional polls. Perhaps its too early in the season to compare Platty and Norwich since they haven't played any common opponents, but within a couple of weeks most of the Eastern powers will have common opponent games to draw inferences from. However, no matter how far into the season we go, we will never have sufficient data on inter-regional teams.

Mania
11-17-2010, 10:49 AM
1. Plattsburgh
2. RIT
3. Gustavus
4. Norwich
5. River Falls
6. Elmira
7. Manhattanville
8. Lake Forrest
9. Stevens Point
10. Neumann

spike
11-17-2010, 11:08 AM
1. Amherst
2. RIT
3. Plattsburgh
4. Norwich
5. UWRF
6. Middlebury
7. Gustavus
8. UWSP
9. Manhattanville
10. Trinity

Plugger
11-17-2010, 11:16 AM
I called the discussion assanine. My point is that with no comparitive results its impossible to say that RIT is better than Plattsburgh or vice versa. They have no common opponents or anything to judge that on. The same way you can't compare Norwich and River Falls. I understand the difficulty in ranking the teams, but to blindly say that the east trumps the western teams constantly is the assanine part of the discussion. You folks will always feel that way, until in a one and done situation 600 miles from home a top western team beats the best two eastern teams on consecutive nights in March. I get that.

Along the same lines why are there any non-WCHA teams even ranked in the D1 women's poll then?

The D1 women's poll should read
WI
UMD
MN
ND
Bemidji
Ohio State
St Cloud
MNSU
Cornell
Mercyhurst

Just because we have struggles at the FF doesn't mean the west teams are inferior to the east.

Your D1 poll is nowhere near what both the USCHO and USA Today polls show. Both polls list 5 East teams and 5 West teams in the top 10. Yet the USCHO poll for D3 Womens only lists 2 West teams compared to 8 East teams. Unfortunately the USA Today does not list D3 Womens teams.

Your D1 list seems off from what people who coach and follow the D1 Womens Hockey. Perhaps you were just over exaggerating to make a point.

nbound
11-17-2010, 02:35 PM
1. Platty
2. RIT
3. UWRF
4. GAC
5. UWSP
6. Lake Forest
7. Norwich
8. Holy Cross
9. UWS
10. M'Ville

nbound
11-17-2010, 02:47 PM
Top 15 BERRY PATCH POLL
combined averages of games against .500 or better opponents and overall winning %

1. Platty 1.000
2. RIT 1.000
3. UWRF 1.000
4. Holy Cross .900
5. Norbets .785
6. UWS .743
7. M'Ville .733
8. St Mary .708
9. Norwich .6665
10 St Kate .625
11. UWEC .600
12. Conc mn ..571
13. Elmira .541
14. GAC .500
15. UWSP .500

gojackets
11-17-2010, 04:11 PM
Your D1 list seems off from what people who coach and follow the D1 Womens Hockey. Perhaps you were just over exaggerating to make a point.

yes

egon_getts
11-18-2010, 01:52 AM
1. RIT
2. Amherst
3. Plattsburgh
4. Gustavus Adolphus
5. Norwich
6. Middlebury
7. River Falls
8. Manhattanville
9. Elmira
10. Lake Forest

valiantfan08
11-18-2010, 07:18 AM
1) Amherst- Still # 1... 2x Champs
2) RIT- Appear to be real deal
3) Plattsburgh- Havn't missed a beat w new transfers
4) Gustavus-Best of the West (how good is that... we dont know)
5) Norwich-Only loss to RIT (scary good offense)
6) Mville- 4-1 with it's best players playing soccer
7) UWRF- Get's nod over Nescac's that havn't played yet
8) Middlebury-Under the radar in a lot of polls
9) Trinity-If they get goaltending look out
10) Elmira-Young and will get better and better

Mania
11-18-2010, 06:03 PM
Fan Opinion Poll for November 18, 2010

Rank | Team | (1st Votes) Pts | Previous Rank
1. RIT (1) 132 1
2. Amherst (11) 127 2
3. Plattsburgh (2) 121 4
4. River Falls 96 6
5. Gustavus (1) 90 5
6. Norwich 86 3
7. Middlebury 54 8
8. Manhattanville 33 7
9. Stevens Point 29 10
10. Elmira 24 NR

Lake Forrest 19, Trinity 6, St. Norbert 1, Neumann 1, Superior 1

East Top 5

Rank | Team
1. RIT
2. Amherst
3. Plattsburgh
4. Norwich
5. Middlebury


West Top 5

Rank | Team
1. River Falls
2. Gustavus
3. Stevens Point
4. Lake Forrest
5. St. Norbert