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nbound
12-06-2010, 10:03 AM
Been trying not to comment on Polls this season...but how do you have Stevens Point above Lake Forest when on Tuesday LF 2 UWSP 1??

probably because 8-1 still looks better than 6-2-1

PrezdeJohnson09
12-06-2010, 02:12 PM
USCHO.com Division III Women's Poll
Minneapolis, Minn./December 6, 2010

Team (First Place) Record Pts Last Week
1 RIT (12) 12-0-0 147 1
2 Plattsburgh ( 2) 6-0-0 134 2
3 Wisconsin-River Falls ( 1) 8-0-0 99 6
4 Amherst 3-2-1 94 3
5 Norwich 7-2-0 91 5
6 Middlebury 6-0-0 86 7
7 Gustavus Adolphus 7-1-0 77 4
8 Trinity 3-1-1 33 8
9 Elmira 7-2-1 24 10
10 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 8-1-0 18 9

Others Receiving Votes: Lake Forest 14, Adrian 4,
St. Thomas 3, St. Mary's 1

The USCHO.com Poll is compiled weekly and consists of 15 voters, including 14 coaches of Division III programs and one women's hockey writer. USCHO.com provides in-depth coverage of college hockey.

pucko
12-06-2010, 03:21 PM
;)


USCHO.com Division III Women's Poll
Minneapolis, Minn./December 6, 2010

Team (First Place) Record Pts Last Week
1 RIT (12) 12-0-0 147 1
2 Plattsburgh ( 2) 6-0-0 134 2
3 Wisconsin-River Falls ( 1) 8-0-0 99 6
4 Amherst 3-2-1 94 3
5 Norwich 7-2-0 91 5
6 Middlebury 6-0-0 86 7
7 Gustavus Adolphus 7-1-0 77 4
8 Trinity 3-1-1 33 8
9 Elmira 7-2-1 24 10
10 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 8-1-0 18 9

Others Receiving Votes: Lake Forest 14, Adrian 4,
St. Thomas 3, St. Mary's 1

The USCHO.com Poll is compiled weekly and consists of 15 voters, including 14 coaches of Division III programs and one women's hockey writer. USCHO.com provides in-depth coverage of college hockey.


This makes no sense to me. Who votes again? UWSP lost to Lake Forest. Gustavus lost to St. Thomas. Both of their losses are to unranked teams. Trinity and Amherst stay in the top 10 because their losses (and ties) were to ranked teams. Lake Forest has two losses - but they are against the #3 team in the country. Sure, they have a tie against CSS but Elmira has a tie against Oswego and LF also has a win against a ranked team (UWSP was #9 when they beat them). I will never understand these rankings as it always appears to be name recognition and nothing else. That's why St. Kates was never ranked last year and it took Amherst a few years to be recognized as a top team in the rankings. Whoever is a part of this system needs to start ranking teams based on recent progress and nothing else. There's my rant for the day :mad:

gojackets
12-06-2010, 03:37 PM
;)

This makes no sense to me. Who votes again? UWSP lost to Lake Forest. Gustavus lost to St. Thomas. Both of their losses are to unranked teams. Trinity and Amherst stay in the top 10 because their losses (and ties) were to ranked teams. Lake Forest has two losses - but they are against the #3 team in the country. Sure, they have a tie against CSS but Elmira has a tie against Oswego and LF also has a win against a ranked team (UWSP was #9 when they beat them). I will never understand these rankings as it always appears to be name recognition and nothing else. That's why St. Kates was never ranked last year and it took Amherst a few years to be recognized as a top team in the rankings. Whoever is a part of this system needs to start ranking teams based on recent progress and nothing else. There's my rant for the day :mad:

And you criticized me for questioning Middlebury being ranked last year!! Didn't the RIT men get votes in the D3 poll after they moved to D1?

pucko
12-06-2010, 03:43 PM
I don't remember criticizing you but if I did, I apologize. It must be the insanity of it all that got to me! And that would not surprise me about the RIT men getting votes after they moved to D1. I'm sure the same will happen for the women if they move to D1.

nyi19
12-06-2010, 03:46 PM
Second week in a row of a poor job by the voters (no offense to a certain asst. SID, as I'm sure I would have agreed with whatever it was he had, because I know they couldn't have been this bad). Seriously, as with Trinity, I wish the Islanders could got 0-1-1 every week from here on out and still make the playoffs. Wouldn't that be nice. I get it. They lost to Amherst and then tied. Amherst got swept last week. So a tie against a team that is 1-2-1 over the last two weeks. How long does the "defending national champion" tag-line work before it becomes non-essential in analyzing head-to-head records?

PrezdeJohnson09
12-06-2010, 04:29 PM
And you criticized me for questioning Middlebury being ranked last year!! Didn't the RIT men get votes in the D3 poll after they moved to D1?

Yes. IIRC it was the pre-season poll, RIT got one vote.

gojackets
12-06-2010, 04:49 PM
I don't remember criticizing you but if I did, I apologize. It must be the insanity of it all that got to me! And that would not surprise me about the RIT men getting votes after they moved to D1. I'm sure the same will happen for the women if they move to D1.

oh for some reason i thought pres had written that...i don't remember if you did :)

5 4 Fighting
12-06-2010, 05:37 PM
I stopped reading when I saw Wisconsin River Falls in 3rd...

They even have a little frown thingy beside it...almost like they knew, eh?

http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-iii-womens-poll/

nyi19
12-06-2010, 05:41 PM
I stopped reading when I saw Wisconsin River Falls in 3rd...

They even have a little frown thingy beside it...almost like they knew, eh?

http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-iii-womens-poll/

Seriously. How do you go from 6 to 3 because of one loss from the other west team and a 1-0-1 weekend by another? Ties NEVER affect anything in this poll, why is it starting now?

5 4 Fighting
12-06-2010, 05:52 PM
Seriously. How do you go from 6 to 3 because of one loss from the other west team and a 1-0-1 weekend by another? Ties NEVER affect anything in this poll, why is it starting now?

Check out the recent (late via compu-wiz) developments... regarding Appalachian State vs Westerm Illinois in the BCS Football Rankings and it's effect on LSU and Boise State and their rankings....the answers to all of this are hidden in there somewhere. :confused:

gojackets
12-06-2010, 07:28 PM
Seriously. How do you go from 6 to 3 because of one loss from the other west team and a 1-0-1 weekend by another? Ties NEVER affect anything in this poll, why is it starting now?

Its not that hard to figure out is it. All of the teams above them stumble and they moved above them. Amherst in 3rd, stumbled with the tie to Trinity, Gustavus at 4 lost to an unranked team, Norwich lost. River Falls won. I don't see the big shocker in them moving up to 3rd..except of course the eastern ego coming into play.

There are only 4 undefeated teams in the country...1,2,3 and Middlebury at 7(who wasn't ranked at the beginning of the year(right?) and have had some "close" calls with much more inferior teams. We'll know more about them early Jan.

and it could be something as simple as a different ballot was counted this week than before.

5 4 Fighting
12-06-2010, 08:19 PM
Its not that hard to figure out is it. All of the teams above them stumble and they moved above them. Amherst in 3rd, stumbled with the tie to Trinity, Gustavus at 4 lost to an unranked team, Norwich lost. River Falls won. I don't see the big shocker in them moving up to 3rd..except of course the eastern ego coming into play.

There are only 4 undefeated teams in the country...1,2,3 and Middlebury at 7(who wasn't ranked at the beginning of the year(right?) and have had some "close" calls with much more inferior teams. We'll know more about them early Jan.

and it could be something as simple as a different ballot was counted this week than before.

Replace ego with history and your off to the races...

nyi19
12-06-2010, 08:22 PM
Its not that hard to figure out is it. All of the teams above them stumble and they moved above them. Amherst in 3rd, stumbled with the tie to Trinity, Gustavus at 4 lost to an unranked team, Norwich lost. River Falls won. I don't see the big shocker in them moving up to 3rd..except of course the eastern ego coming into play.

There are only 4 undefeated teams in the country...1,2,3 and Middlebury at 7(who wasn't ranked at the beginning of the year(right?) and have had some "close" calls with much more inferior teams. We'll know more about them early Jan.

and it could be something as simple as a different ballot was counted this week than before.

I mean, I'm not "surprised" they moved up, necessarily. I'm just wondering why a tie would affect Amherst when ties rarely, if ever, mean anything to these pollsters, especially when it's coming against another ranked team, who is still ranked despite a 6-2 loss! So why should the tie matter now?

gojackets
12-06-2010, 09:05 PM
Replace ego with history and your off to the races...

last I checked, history has nothing to do what happens this year.

PrezdeJohnson09
12-06-2010, 09:09 PM
I stopped reading when I saw Wisconsin River Falls in 3rd...

They even have a little frown thingy beside it...almost like they knew, eh?

http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-iii-womens-poll/
That was supposed to be a first place vote....

5 4 Fighting
12-06-2010, 09:17 PM
That was supposed to be a first place vote....

sure...;)

gojackets
12-06-2010, 09:58 PM
That was supposed to be a first place vote....

was that your vote ?? :)

LadyFalconsFan
12-07-2010, 11:35 AM
this poll makes me very happy. i completely agree with it. funny thing is that the 1st place vote was not from me. i forgot to put up a poll. one thing is for sure, either RF will prove their western dominance or GAC will prove that their loss was a fluke when they play on friday.

gojackets
12-07-2010, 11:49 AM
this poll makes me very happy. i completely agree with it. funny thing is that the 1st place vote was not from me. i forgot to put up a poll. one thing is for sure, either RF will prove their western dominance or GAC will prove that their loss was a fluke when they play on friday.

Looking at some of Gustavus' early results...my guess is that their reign is ending. 1-0 over St Thomas, 0-1 loss, 2-1 over St Olaf, 2-0 over bethel... Stevens Point beat both St Olaf and St Thomas pretty handily...and we're learning they might not be that good. St Norbert and Eau Claire beat Bethel. In these close games, GAC hasn't dominated the stat sheet the way they have in the past...I'm guessing the MIAC teams have figured out a way to shut them down a little bit.