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Happy
08-19-2010, 01:46 PM
I have suspended mention of sleazy recruiting and scholarship practices by college hockey programs. Such talk puts college hockey zealots in a frenzy which could result in a fatal attack of apoplexy and criminal charges.

Inviting examples of academic success by hockey players and successful careers by former hockey players is met with a gratuitous chorus of "We don't care so shut up." and "You're only asking because you hate hockey and hockey players." I don't follow the logic or the ESP here?

Posts by zealous hockey fans show they fear the recognition of academic excellence in individual players and the benefits of hockey programs besides preparing for a professional hockey career. That recognition must accept that if there is academic success by some hockey players there must be academic failure by others and the hockey programs which advance the careers of the majority of college players are probably superior to programs which attempt little more than to prepare a tiny minority of players for a pro career, and by doing so achieving trophies. College hockey fanatics even refuse to recognize the increasing competition between college hockey and major junior hockey for this tiny minority of players or admit the changes this competition is creating in the recruitment and academic expectations of "franchise players."

Let the denials begin!

In Minnesota, local kids often go to local schools, and when their hockey careers are over, they typical move back into the area, and then contribute to the local economy by getting good jobs with the degree they earned in college. now, that might not work out for the schools who bring in Canadians, but that is how it works here.

http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=204974070

jcarter7669
08-19-2010, 02:18 PM
That recognition must accept that if there is academic success by some hockey players there must be academic failure by others and the hockey programs which advance the careers of the majority of college players are probably superior to programs which attempt little more than to prepare a tiny minority of players for a pro career, and by doing so achieving trophies.


Ahhh the basis of your posts....

Osorojo
08-19-2010, 06:03 PM
Ahhh the basis of your posts....

Nope. You got It backward. It's my theory of the basis for YOUR posts. Can anyone explain why some disputatious posters haunt this thread but claim to have no interest in the academic success of college hockey players and no interest in the successful careers of former college hockey players? It is quite odd that these people constantly return to kvetch about a thread which they claim to be trivial and of no interest to hockey fans, particularly when the subject of this thread seemed pretty clear, at least before the accusations and recriminations began. This manger appears to be infested by a whole pack of dogs.

komey1
08-19-2010, 08:05 PM
Nope. You got It backward. It's my theory of the basis for YOUR posts. Can anyone explain why some disputatious posters haunt this thread but claim to have no interest in the academic success of college hockey players and no interest in the successful careers of former college hockey players? It is quite odd that these people constantly return to kvetch about a thread which they claim to be trivial and of no interest to hockey fans, particularly when the subject of this thread seemed pretty clear, at least before the accusations and recriminations began. This manger appears to be infested by a whole pack of dogs.

Better to run with the pack of dogs than to be the chew toy that you seem to be. :D

But in about 36 days, most of us will be done with such drivel as our beloved teams take to the ice for their exhibitions. The Ivy league posters might sill play with you though since they start later than the rest of the league due to conference rules.

Osorojo
08-20-2010, 03:09 PM
Better to run with the pack of dogs than to be the chew toy that you seem to be. :D

But in about 36 days, most of us will be done with such drivel as our beloved teams take to the ice for their exhibitions. The Ivy league posters might sill play with you though since they start later than the rest of the league due to conference rules.

Pip pip, jolly good komey. You will be able to revel in those aspects of college hockey which delight you rather than troll around badmouthing threads about college hockey which you claim are trivial and in which you claim to have no interest - although you look them up, scroll through many posts, read, and spend time and effort replying [all derogatory].
Would you be shocked when "your beloved teams" [presumably not Ivy League] take to the ice and someone labels your discussions about them as "drivel" and insults you for your interest? I'm betting you would be outraged - that you're one of those one-way **ers.

Nick Papagiorgio
08-20-2010, 03:29 PM
rather than troll around badmouthing threads about college hockey

When did this thread actually turn into a discussion about college hockey?

Kill yourself.

bigblue_dl
08-20-2010, 04:11 PM
Kill yourself.
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Osorojo
08-20-2010, 04:17 PM
When did this thread actually turn into a discussion about college hockey?

Kill yourself.

Another dog in the manger. "I don't like what you're talking about so you should kill yourself." You're a bit of an egotist, eh?

"College hockey" is an amalgam of "college" (an academic institution) and "hockey" (a competition on ice). Dismissing the "college" (academic) component of college hockey is equivalent to dismissing the "hockey" (competition) component of college hockey. ["College" even gets top billing in "college hockey."]

So people talk about things you don't want to talk about and say things you don't want them to say, huh? Tough. Get over it. Chances are there will never be a college hockey dictator.

jcarter7669
08-20-2010, 04:26 PM
Another dog in the manger. "I don't like what you're talking about so you should kill yourself." You're a bit of an egotist, eh?

"College hockey" is an amalgam of "college" (an academic institution) and "hockey" (a competition on ice). Dismissing the "college" (academic) component of college hockey is equivalent to dismissing the "hockey" (competition) component of college hockey. ["College" even gets top billing in "college hockey."]

So people talk about things you don't want to talk about and say things you don't want them to say, huh? Tough. Get over it. Chances are there will never be a college hockey dictator.

Still trying to figure a way to split that into two nouns huh?

ronmexico
08-20-2010, 04:32 PM
Chances are there will never be a college hockey dictator.

I wouldn't be so sure about that! :mad:

komey1
08-20-2010, 04:50 PM
Pip pip, jolly good komey. You will be able to revel in those aspects of college hockey which delight you rather than troll around badmouthing threads about college hockey which you claim are trivial and in which you claim to have no interest - although you look them up, scroll through many posts, read, and spend time and effort replying [all derogatory].


My interest in this is because I am bored. Where exactly did I badmouth the thread? If this thread fell to page 2, I wouldn't go looking for it. You amuse me. :D



Would you be shocked when "your beloved teams" [presumably not Ivy League] take to the ice and someone labels your discussions about them as "drivel" and insults you for your interest? I'm betting you would be outraged - that you're one of those one-way **ers.

I've nearly died twice - being outraged over a message board is not worth it. And in the grand scheme of things, college hockey is trivial. Most likely disparaging comments - and at times there have been since I have been a member of USCHO - are judged by how much merit they have as to whether I will respond. Most likely, I would just ignore it. :cool:

LynahFan
08-21-2010, 10:37 AM
"College hockey" is an amalgam of "college" (an academic institution) and "hockey" (a competition on ice). Dismissing the "college" (academic) component of college hockey is equivalent to dismissing the "hockey" (competition) component of college hockey. ["College" even gets top billing in "college hockey."]
Complete fail.

"College hockey" is a noun phrase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun_phrase), and in English, the first noun is considered to be a modifier of the second - "college" is simply which type of hockey we're discussing. Hockey is clearly the primary noun in the phrase - by virtue of being SECOND in the phrase.

If I said we were discussing "ice hockey," would you assume that we would primarily be interested in discussing details of the crystallization of dihydrogen monoxide?

nanotiger
08-21-2010, 12:23 PM
If I said we were discussing "ice hockey," would you assume that we would primarily be interested in discussing details of the crystallization of dihydrogen monoxide?

Why, I'd love to!

And, judging by many of the rinks in the AHA I've been to, so should some AHA teams :rolleyes: :D

Happy
08-21-2010, 12:33 PM
Complete fail.

"College hockey" is a noun phrase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun_phrase), and in English, the first noun is considered to be a modifier of the second - "college" is simply which type of hockey we're discussing. Hockey is clearly the primary noun in the phrase - by virtue of being SECOND in the phrase.

If I said we were discussing "ice hockey," would you assume that we would primarily be interested in discussing details of the crystallization of dihydrogen monoxide?

I heard a rumor it expands, and then floats. any truth to that?

jcarter7669
08-21-2010, 01:12 PM
I heard a rumor it expands, and then floats. any truth to that?

Yeah that's true. It also melts above 0C which makes it pretty much worthless and a complete waste of scholarships for all those oxygen molecules that are there simply to dissolve into the atmosphere and don't wish to participate in chemistry class.

Runninwiththedogs
08-21-2010, 04:00 PM
Yeah, if its not on the main roster it's usually under the player bios.

A strong focus on academics as well as athletics is what separates college hockey from Major Jr hockey. I think in general athletes pick majors that can be completed in a 3.5-4 yr time frame and not majors like engineering, architecture, and pre-med that require graduate studies. Getting a solid degree in 4 yrs leaves the option open to play professionally after without having to go back in 5-10 years after a career in minor hockey to finish an advanced degree. Although even with business, communications and management degrees, some players do play professionally for a few years after college then go back to graduate school.

Engineering doesn't require graduate work... however, engineering takes up more time and has less flexibility than other majors because of labs, senior projects, and other types of group work.

This is sort of general but pre-med isn't as impressive a major as one might thing.


Hobey Baker.

He's dead. Are you implying college hockey sets players up to die? This is worse than Osorojo thought!



There are many posters, some of them parents, who view hockey players as one-dimensional individuals: hockey players. You can see a few of them (and their children) at every youth hockey game and on this site: "How dare you discuss academics and athletics?" "Why on earth would anyone be interested in what happens to hockey players after they stop playing? A discussion about life during and after hockey would be good for the kids, even though it might confuse and infuriate their parents.

That's such a lie! I also judge them on looks.

Please. I talk to hockey parents about school all the time. Of course, if hockey parents REALLY cared about their kids' schooling, then they'd send them to major juniors for their superior education package.

komey1
08-21-2010, 11:20 PM
Yeah that's true. It also melts above 0C which makes it pretty much worthless and a complete waste of scholarships for all those oxygen molecules that are there simply to dissolve into the atmosphere and don't wish to participate in chemistry class.

This is also United States Ice Hockey. How do the Canadian ice molecules compare to the US ice molecues? Are the Canadian ice molecules that are major juniors comperable to US college ice moleules?

jcarter7669
08-22-2010, 06:26 AM
This is also United States Ice Hockey. How do the Canadian ice molecules compare to the US ice molecues? Are the Canadian ice molecules that are major juniors comperable to US college ice moleules?

As the birth place of ice, Canadian ice molecules are superior to those of US ice molecules at forming ice... US ice molecules however are narrowing the gap despite overcoming all these pesky classes they have to attend to learn how to be good little water molecules when their days of being a solid state are at an end. Of course some just turned to water and are washed down a drain at the end of the careers, but a lot pick up an education and move on to bigger and better things. I've heard that some even go on to more education picking up a S ion along the way and going on to become acid rain...

jcarter7669
08-22-2010, 03:31 PM
Osorojo maybe in your free time you could take a day away from fishing and set upt a data base, then go through and enter their majors. Then follow them through college, and in 4 years you let us know what their majors are, how many from each major graduated, and how what majors had the most players on the top 2 lines. Moreover you could track and let us know what the majors from the top 16 teams every year compare to the other 58 teams.

nanotiger
08-22-2010, 05:12 PM
Honestly, those are statistics I'd be very interested in.