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    Today the Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts signed a bill that makes the Massachusetts state colleges universities.

    Since the MASCAC stands for Massachusetts State College Athletic Conference and 75% of the conference are now U's (and all of the hockey schools), what should we rename the conference??

    Massachusetts University Athletic Conference?
    Commonwealth Athletic Conference?

    or something else????
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    Wow! This is a major change in how Massachusetts defines Universities! Up till now, they were in a minority of states (of which New York in also included) which required Universities to grant research based Ph.D. degrees in several disciplines.

    In New York the current definition of a university is:

    "University means a higher education institution offering a range of registered undergraduate and graduate curricula in the liberal arts and sciences, degrees in two or more professional fields, and doctoral programs in at least three academic fields."

    Here doctoral programs refer to research based doctoral programs, an not professional doctoral programs such as DPT--Doctor of Physical Therapy.

    New York (and formerly Massachusetts) views its position on the use of the term "University" as superior to the other 45 or so states that allows that term to be used by any school with masters programs.

    The recent change of name of Neumann College to Neumann University would not have occurred in the state of New York. (For the record.....Colgate University is considered a college by the state of New York; their use of "University" has been grandfathered and allowed since Colgate called them selves a university prior to the state adopting the current definition of the term university.)

    This very rigid definition has been challenged by a group of independent colleges in the state. That group claims that limiting the term "University" to institutions with research based Ph.D. programs hurt schools which would be called universities in most any other state. They claim:

    "Fully 80% of all “master’s colleges and universities” in fact carry the university name, where that title reflects the breadth of their graduate offerings and distinguishes them from purely undergraduate colleges. Within the “master’s – large” subset, 87 percent are universities. Of those that remain colleges, the majority are in the states of New York and Massachusetts, the only ones that still require the presence of doctoral degrees for an institution to adopt the university name. That constraint limits the ability of public and private comprehensives in these states to compete successfully with peers elsewhere for students and financial resources, especially in the international context where “college” typically refers to a secondary school."

    It will be interesting to see if New York re-visits their definition of university in light of this change in Massachusetts.
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      if they went with the commonwealth athletic conference would the A be hard or soft? if it is a soft A i dont think the CAC would be appropriate

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        You could do CMAC. Commonwealth of Massachusetts Athletic Conference.
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          State University of Massachusetts Athletic Conference (SUMAC). Nickname: The Bush League.
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            Originally posted by Dyce View Post
            State University of Massachusetts Athletic Conference (SUMAC). Nickname: The Bush League.
            The Bush League - I thought the Kennedy's were from Massachusetts
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              Originally posted by Dyce View Post
              State University of Massachusetts Athletic Conference (SUMAC). Nickname: The Bush League.
              That's good stuff right there!
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                Originally posted by spwood View Post
                That's good stuff right there!
                You mean poison stuff
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                  Originally posted by norm1909 View Post
                  You mean poison stuff
                  The SUMACs are not on parity with the Ivies
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                    Originally posted by NUProf View Post
                    The SUMACs are not on parity with the Ivies
                    Humm, this map includes all of Massachusetts
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                      Originally posted by norm1909 View Post
                      Humm, this map includes all of Massachusetts
                      No it doesn't.

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                        Originally posted by norm1909 View Post
                        Humm, this map includes all of Massachusetts
                        Almost all. I think Williams College avoids being part of that area
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                          Originally posted by CARDS_rule_the_Burgh View Post
                          Almost all. I think Williams College avoids being part of that area
                          Clearing up my obstructed view and observing at 100%, I see you are correct
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                            Originally posted by joecct View Post
                            Today the Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts signed a bill that makes the Massachusetts state colleges universities.

                            Since the MASCAC stands for Massachusetts State College Athletic Conference and 75% of the conference are now U's (and all of the hockey schools), what should we rename the conference??

                            Massachusetts University Athletic Conference?
                            Commonwealth Athletic Conference?

                            or something else????
                            This might explain things.....
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