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redhawkman10
07-28-2010, 10:13 PM
Redhawkman at least started to go down the right road. :p

The biggest question will be defense. Having Gustafsson leave early along with Dorich (a quiet shutdown d-man) and Miller (Gustafsson's mirror) graduate took a lot off the blue line. Our top d-pairing is going to be Fernandez and Spady. :eek:

Offense and goaltending aren't the key points. While the loss of Olver will be noticed, we seemed to do okay when Darin Olver left. And Santorelli. And before them Gobert+Coburn+Stutzel. And JP Vigier before that. Finding someone in the weeds to put the puck in the net isn't a problem.

Goaltending has been spotty (as I pointed out) for well over a decade. You had Kowalski who pitched the current team shutout record, but couldn't keep he legs closed for other games. Tarkki was just coming into his own, but that was as a senior. Zaniboni had the same problems as Kowalski. And Stewart, he was a basket-case with the same hot one weekend, ice cold the next, problems. Again, no problem finding someone in the weeds to stop the puck.


Defense is THE question that needs to be solved by NMU. But go ahead and be more concerned about the goaltending and offense... :D

See atleast I was on the right direction...I just didn't finish it lol. Goaltending wasn't strong consistantly last year and NMU made the tourny, I think Walt Kyle has proven things will be just fine in the UP.


Was using phone earlier so brekke was a mistake on my part. I knew he hadn't left just didn't notice I wrote that. Otherwise with those questions about each team that's why I don't think you can really peg anyone from probably 3rd to 10th. I wouldn't be that surprised with any of the schools getting a bye unless it was western or bg

Yea we have seen how you and your phone don't get along. lol

Thing is the "questions" you put out there aren't really questions, there are answers for them which is why it is pretty clear where majority of teams will fall this year. Always going to be a team that steps up from where they were last year, but even that is pretty clear on which team it will probably be either Notre Dame or Michigan. Can't go off the unknown got to look at facts and stats and it makes things pretty simple.

mcfarljd
07-29-2010, 04:32 PM
See atleast I was on the right direction...I just didn't finish it lol. Goaltending wasn't strong consistantly last year and NMU made the tourny, I think Walt Kyle has proven things will be just fine in the UP.



Yea we have seen how you and your phone don't get along. lol

Thing is the "questions" you put out there aren't really questions, there are answers for them which is why it is pretty clear where majority of teams will fall this year. Always going to be a team that steps up from where they were last year, but even that is pretty clear on which team it will probably be either Notre Dame or Michigan. Can't go off the unknown got to look at facts and stats and it makes things pretty simple.

If its pretty simple then I'm curious as to where you predict the teams to finish then 1-11.

Hammer
07-29-2010, 04:36 PM
I'll take a run at this:

1) Miami
2) Michigan
3) Alaska
4) MSU
5) Notre Dame
6) NMU
7) OSU
8) FSU
9) WMU
10) LSSU
11) BG

The 4 teams at the Joe: Miami, Michigan, NMU and MSU, although I know better than to bet against a Jeff Jackson team.

redhawkman10
07-29-2010, 10:26 PM
If its pretty simple then I'm curious as to where you predict the teams to finish then 1-11.

1. Miami- Too much talent
2. Michigan- goaltending will be a question mark but will score plenty
3. Alaska- return 4 of top 5 scorers with a great system
4. Notre Dame- too much talent on the roster not to rebound
5. Michigan St.- Depth is a question mark but think they will be in the hunt with what they return
6. Northern Michigan- Some key losses will drop them a bit but Walt makes his classic post season run
7. Ferris st.- Great back line, will struggle to score goals but stopping them won't be an issue
8. Ohio St.- A lot going against them, lose of a ton of offense and a change at the top points towards a rebuilding year
9. Lake st.- Not a whole lot hanging around this year
10. Bowling Green- two years away but will be much more competitive
11. Western Michigan- Same as above

aallenpollreisz
07-30-2010, 08:44 AM
Might as well take a stab, too...

1.) Miami U.
2.) Michigan
3.) Notre Dame
4.) Michigan State
5.) Alaska-Fairbanks
6.) Northern Michigan
7.) Ohio State
8.) Lake Superior
9.) Ferris State
10.) Bowling Green
11.) Western Michigan

BGFan
07-31-2010, 01:13 AM
Hey Falcon Fanatic, do we know each other? Are you Falcon Fanatic on A-Z-Z?!? :D

Yup, that's me!

And to the posters who replied to my post: I never said we would be at the top (although, I am ALWAYS optimistic!:D ). I merely said that your predictions would be off quite a bit! I do not expect to be in the cellar this year!! I will be very thrilled with a continuation of the improvement we started to see last year (better effort, better attitude, not giving up when we go down a goal, games that were a LOT more fun to watch!). If these things continue to happen (and I KNOW they will under Bergeron), the wins will come!! And you never know, we may truly surprise a few people come playoff time!!

FALCON HOCKEY FOREVER!!!

BG Falcons Fan
07-31-2010, 06:58 AM
Sitting back for awhile, watching what people know or dont know about BG, the 10 incoming freshman may surprise a few people. two pure scorers, two top end dmen and a very very solid goaltender. BG has also added size and maturity with most of the incoming being 21, most leaders of their teams. A little more experience here then most may know. Dont be suprised at .500 and take a night off against them, they may be a little better than you expected. I agree two years from now they will be very solid, but they will make noise this year and heads up after Christmas, Bergeron will have had 3-4months of his style of hockey. Dont take this tem for granted it may be a big game day mistake.

redhawkman10
07-31-2010, 04:04 PM
Sitting back for awhile, watching what people know or dont know about BG, the 10 incoming freshman may surprise a few people. two pure scorers, two top end dmen and a very very solid goaltender. BG has also added size and maturity with most of the incoming being 21, most leaders of their teams. A little more experience here then most may know. Dont be suprised at .500 and take a night off against them, they may be a little better than you expected. I agree two years from now they will be very solid, but they will make noise this year and heads up after Christmas, Bergeron will have had 3-4months of his style of hockey. Dont take this tem for granted it may be a big game day mistake.

Here is the problem with your post, and I highlighted it. If you are rely on freshmen to produce your in trouble. Listen I am with you on the improvement of BG, I know coach and have for 15 years. He will turn it around but just like when he and Rico took over at Miami they struggled for 2 years getting their guys in and getting guys to buy into the system. There will be current guys at BG that won't like the change and it could be an issue, don't underestimate that. They will be more competitive but the problem is, and all you can go off of, is the lack of talent turn over on the current roster. There will be freshmen that surprise people but you can't count on freshmen because the college game is extremely different than juniors. Based on that you can expect them to be competitive but they don't have an experienced goal scorer and struggled in net last year. There are 8 teams that are far superior than them which is why they will finish in the bottom half again. It just comes down to talent plain and simple, but that will and has improved already if you look at two commits they have gotten for the future.

IrishHockeyFan
07-31-2010, 09:04 PM
If you are rely on freshmen to produce your in trouble.

I don't think this is necessarily true. BG has a host of issues and a lot of work to do, but since they have no where to go but up, lots of new blood isn't a bad thing.

Notre Dame's hockey history was pretty much non-existent in 2004 and David Brown, a freshman netminder, led them to a 20 win season and their first NCAA bid. He won 14 times in 26 games, more as a Freshman than he did in 46 games combined as a Sophomore and Junior. Notre Dame relied heavily upon him in his first season. And in 2007 a number of freshmen, most notably Kevin Deeth, Ryan Thang, and Kyle Lawson, helped Notre Dame secure their first banners of any kind. In fact Thang and Deeth never came close to the impact they had as rookies. Deeth netted 17 goals as a Freshman, and only 18 more in his final 3 years. Thang put 20 away in his first season, never scored more in a season after that, and had only 19 goals over his final two seasons.

I agree that a heavy reliance on 10 freshmen would be a bit of a burden for BG, but over the years the CCHA has been littered with first year players who have had tremendous impact. An entire class of non-productive players, any class, is usually not a good thing.

redhawkman10
07-31-2010, 09:57 PM
I don't think this is necessarily true. BG has a host of issues and a lot of work to do, but since they have no where to go but up, lots of new blood isn't a bad thing.

Notre Dame's hockey history was pretty much non-existent in 2004 and David Brown, a freshman netminder, led them to a 20 win season and their first NCAA bid. He won 14 times in 26 games, more as a Freshman than he did in 46 games combined as a Sophomore and Junior. Notre Dame relied heavily upon him in his first season. And in 2007 a number of freshmen, most notably Kevin Deeth, Ryan Thang, and Kyle Lawson, helped Notre Dame secure their first banners of any kind. In fact Thang and Deeth never came close to the impact they had as rookies. Deeth netted 17 goals as a Freshman, and only 18 more in his final 3 years. Thang put 20 away in his first season, never scored more in a season after that, and had only 19 goals over his final two seasons.

I agree that a heavy reliance on 10 freshmen would be a bit of a burden for BG, but over the years the CCHA has been littered with first year players who have had tremendous impact. An entire class of non-productive players, any class, is usually not a good thing.

That was the point, especially on a class that doesn't have top flight talent. Notre Dame's case was different they had a very talented class that year and had some talented players around them to help as did Miami when they did it with a freshman goaltender and 5 freshman defensemen. Im not picking on BG, just being realistic. Bringing in 10 freshmen is a tall order when the talent remaining is mediocre. They will get better coaching for sure, but it still takes a while to get your system in place and have everyone buying in.

sbkbghockey
08-01-2010, 05:09 PM
1. Miami- Too much talent
2. Michigan- goaltending will be a question mark but will score plenty
3. Alaska- return 4 of top 5 scorers with a great system
4. Notre Dame- too much talent on the roster not to rebound
5. Michigan St.- Depth is a question mark but think they will be in the hunt with what they return
6. Northern Michigan- Some key losses will drop them a bit but Walt makes his classic post season run
7. Ferris st.- Great back line, will struggle to score goals but stopping them won't be an issue
8. Ohio St.- A lot going against them, lose of a ton of offense and a change at the top points towards a rebuilding year
9. Lake st.- Not a whole lot hanging around this year
10. Bowling Green- two years away but will be much more competitive
11. Western Michigan- Same as above

I agree with this pretty much. except I could see BG jumping up to the 8th spot of OSU and LSSU depending on how their (still) young defense can perform.

I'll go with:
1. Miami
2. Michigan
3. Alaska
4. Michigan St.
5. Notre Dame
6. Northern Michigan
7. Ferris st.
8. Bowling Green
9. Ohio St.
10. Lake St.
11. Western Michigan

Miami will prob jump out to a good lead, spots 2-5, 6-10 will all be really tight and really anything could happen in those clusters, then Western.

NMUFAN21
08-01-2010, 06:29 PM
Here is my list

1.Miami
2/3. NMU or Michigan
4.Alaska
5.ND
6.MSU
7.FSU
8.LSSU
9.OSU
10.BG
11.WMU

Kind of similar to last years

redhawkman10
08-02-2010, 08:11 PM
Word is Former MSU recruit Austin Czarnik passed on the OHL and is heading to Miami in 2011....:eek:

aallenpollreisz
08-02-2010, 09:03 PM
Word is Former MSU recruit Austin Czarnik passed on the OHL and is heading to Miami in 2011....:eek:As I said in the MSU recruiting thread... grumble. :(

mcfarljd
08-02-2010, 09:06 PM
As I said in the MSU recruiting thread... grumble. :(

As I said in the MSU thread...

http://www.therxforum.com/images/smilies/toast.gif

:D

Falcon Fanatic
08-03-2010, 12:11 AM
Yup, that's me!

And to the posters who replied to my post: I never said we would be at the top (although, I am ALWAYS optimistic!:D ). I merely said that your predictions would be off quite a bit! I do not expect to be in the cellar this year!! I will be very thrilled with a continuation of the improvement we started to see last year (better effort, better attitude, not giving up when we go down a goal, games that were a LOT more fun to watch!). If these things continue to happen (and I KNOW they will under Bergeron), the wins will come!! And you never know, we may truly surprise a few people come playoff time!!

FALCON HOCKEY FOREVER!!!

Sorry, didn't realize my husband was logged in on this site! We have the same screen names here and on AZZ.

Arpod
08-03-2010, 09:03 AM
As I said in the MSU thread...

http://www.therxforum.com/images/smilies/toast.gif

:D

Don't worry: if he's anything like his cousin he will jump to the O after his freshman year (sophmore at the latest...) :D

MUhawks628
08-03-2010, 09:05 AM
Don't worry: if he's anything like his cousin he will jump to the O after his freshman year (sophmore at the latest...) :D

Just had to kill his buzz didn't you ;)

Arpod
08-03-2010, 09:11 AM
Just had to kill his buzz didn't you ;)

It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it. ;) I saw the kid play quite a bit last year and he is definitely a scrapper (not in the drop-your-gloves sense but in a stick-your-nose-in-it-and-make-something-happen sense). Quick and great hands.

redhawkman10
08-03-2010, 09:35 PM
Don't worry: if he's anything like his cousin he will jump to the O after his freshman year (sophmore at the latest...) :D

I gurantee you all of this was taken into consideration. Especially since he decommitted once already. But if he had any desire to go to the OHL this decision makes ZERO sense. Why would you decommitt, go to the USHL, and committ to Miami if you had intentions of going to the OHL. Not only that but knowing his history Miami has pretty strong inclinations he wants/will honor his verbal or they wouldn't of extended an offer to him. I would be willing to bet it had a little to do with a couple guys he is currently playing with on the USNTDP that are committed to Miami. Regardless great addition to an already top class. Wouldn't be surprised if Miami had the top rated class in 2011 with the talent that they have slated to come in....