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cross cheque
04-14-2010, 04:08 PM
This is better: UND Mean Drunk Frattins Level Wehrs. half drunk seems a little weak.

The games start at 7:07/7:37 respectively so he has to be able to finish the night and nobody wants to see him pull a Barclay and **** all over himself.

This may be our most civil conversation so far, I believe it's because i'm emotionally broken from losing the Fighting Sioux moniker. I have been projecting most of my anger on my dog, my girlfriend (who also wears a collar), and B.R.I.D.G.E.S. so i apologize if i'm not engaging you with the same amount of vigor as I was during the season when UND still had a logo.:(

ExileOnDaytonStreet
04-14-2010, 04:54 PM
University of North Dakota Manifest Destiny

Happy
04-14-2010, 05:10 PM
The games start at 7:07/7:37 respectively so he has to be able to finish the night and nobody wants to see him pull a Barclay and **** all over himself.

This may be our most civil conversation so far, I believe it's because i'm emotionally broken from losing the Fighting Sioux moniker. I have been projecting most of my anger on my dog, my girlfriend (who also wears a collar), and B.R.I.D.G.E.S. so i apologize if i'm not engaging you with the same amount of vigor as I was during the season when UND still had a logo.:(


I understand, sometimes, life sucker punches a person so hard, it is not easy to respond as usual.

JHG722
04-15-2010, 06:09 AM
So your point is what? That the statement "some anthropologists look upon 'race' as being a social construct" is correct? Thanks for the validation mope. I don't need wikipedia to tell me that. Lots of Euro-scum think of ethnicity (rightly or wrongly) along race lines which is why I qualified my statement. Like when I have called someone from the UK a "pasty skinned, dentally-challenged, bangers and mash-consumer" they get all emotional about it and start referring to my statment as racist. I don't see it that way - and I am sure the dolt Badger lover there, much like yourself, has no understanding of the differences between race and ethnicity.

By the way, I am guessing that it was the "corn pone" remark that got you all hot and bothered. Look I understand that you square state types don't get out of the country much so if you are confused by the term "bangers and mash" just wikipedia the phrase mope!

LOL you live in North Andover, not Wayland/Newton/Sudbury/Weston/Brookline, so you should drop the holier-than-thou bullcrap.

cross cheque
04-15-2010, 01:10 PM
So your point is what? That the statement "some anthropologists look upon 'race' as being a social construct" is correct? Thanks for the validation mope. I don't need wikipedia to tell me that. Lots of Euro-scum think of ethnicity (rightly or wrongly) along race lines which is why I qualified my statement. Like when I have called someone from the UK a "pasty skinned, dentally-challenged, bangers and mash-consumer" they get all emotional about it and start referring to my statment as racist. I don't see it that way - and I am sure the dolt Badger lover there, much like yourself, has no understanding of the differences between race and ethnicity.

By the way, I am guessing that it was the "corn pone" remark that got you all hot and bothered. Look I understand that you square state types don't get out of the country much so if you are confused by the term "bangers and mash" just wikipedia the phrase mope!

Race:
–noun
1.a contest of speed, as in running, riding, driving, or sailing.

Ethnicity:
–noun,plural-ties.
1.ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association.
:D

Questions anyone?

NMU8405
04-15-2010, 06:10 PM
Has the UND Snow Cows been suggested? It runs right through the snow cow belt and a candidate for the capital.

badgerhawk
04-15-2010, 06:24 PM
You're a ****en idiot. Dude take too much medicine and play with sharp objects and fire arms.
Fixed your post


The Darwin Awards.
In honor of Charles Darwin, the Darwin Awards commemorate those who improve our gene pool...by accidentally removing themselves from it (we would be willing to let you do it on purpose).

Please join the club.

redwing77
04-15-2010, 09:33 PM
The University of North Dakota Stupid Wop Dagos

The NCAA won't care as long as it's whitey you're degrading. i.e. Fighting Irish

Nah.

How about the University of North Dakota Fighting Whities!

Yeah, it's a rip off of the University of Northern Colorado's intramural basketball team but...

How cool is this logo?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3AAZ0XhNQkc/R1K7D30HYtI/AAAAAAAAAAU/xJGTlNRUeCU/s1600-R/Fighting%2BWhites.jpg

wolverineTrumpet
04-16-2010, 08:24 AM
If State Imposed Objectively Unoffensive Xenophobes is too long, I still like Xenophobes.

And I still think they should change the name of the state.

And maybe the country as a whole should start renaming all geographic features with Native American names. What should we call that river in Washington DC? Potomac may be considered offensive.


Also, I love the suggestion of Manifest Destiny.

Stack
04-16-2010, 09:36 AM
This is the best commentary I have seen on the possible Sioux name retirement:

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/157912/publisher_ID/40/

By Don Speare


GRAND FORKS — I hope the fight to let UND retain its Fighting Sioux name is not over, but if the name cannot be saved, then it should not be replaced with any nickname.

We will never be more than Fighting Sioux, and if we truly respect the name, we should “retire” it conspicuously, leaving only “North Dakota” for our team name.

Thousands of Fighting Sioux families have stories like ours: I was incredibly fortunate to experience the thrill of Sioux competition as a scholarship athlete, an assistant coach and a UND team announcer. My wife (UND ’83) and I are proud parents of two UND Sioux students, one with two degrees and another just beginning his UND Sioux journey.

We’ve been Fighting Sioux Club members and supportive alumni because we are indebted and obligated — privileged — as so many UND alumni understand.

We say “Thank you” to generations of the Sioux Nation for lending their name to UND. The Fighting Sioux name symbolized a spirit of loyalty, in honor of and in brotherhood with the great Sioux warriors and proud Sioux people — a way for that spirit to be expressed though our performance, attitude and demeanor.

Being Fighting Sioux was woven into the educational and normal maturing process that college brings, but it added something more. Warriors who fight back to back and owe each other their lives forge a lifelong bond, even though each individual may be different from the other in nearly every substantive way — the Sioux experience can have that impact.

UND athletes understood that the Sioux name was lent to us, not owned by us; that we were privileged to be called Fighting Sioux, and not gracing the Sioux namesake for our own self-aggrandizement.

Being a UND Fighting Sioux endowed legions of letter winners with a special spirit that changes those of us charged with living up to the honor. Fighting Sioux fans feel it, and our competition dreads and envies it.

And that’s true not only in sports. UND Aerospace flying teams, the Marching and Pep Bands and many UND groups exude the Sioux spirit that permeates UND. Students and alumni are praised for their respectful and classy behavior when compared with students from many other universities.

“Fighting Sioux” never was a nickname, and the logo is not a mascot. Submissively allowing the NCAA and Sioux name opponents to trivialize and prejudge the UND/Sioux relationship let manipulative “PC” language gain traction — a huge error.

Our athletes and graduates have been proud, fierce and respectful. There is not a more positive beacon for the Indian image than the class act of UND athletics projecting our Sioux namesake. The “Sioux!” cry rings proudly out across fields and arenas all over this nation, and through broadcasts via satellite and Internet, across the planet.

Our soldiers, sailors and aerospace alumni take the Sioux logo into battle and on missions into space, comforted by the spirit it fires within us.

If we must retire the Fighting Sioux name and logo, the fitting “spirit” for the greatest aerospace university is to retire the Fighting Sioux name the way a revered pilot is remembered: with the Missing Man Formation.

If the name Fighting Sioux is retired, make no mistake: so, too, is the spirit with which it was being used. If we must “move forward” without the Sioux name, then let the absence of “Fighting Sioux” be conspicuous, palpable and begging elucidation.

Make future announcers explain to their audiences why UND is, out of respect for the Sioux, merely North Dakota. If not Fighting Sioux, then we are North Dakota, nothing else.

Go Sioux!

A three-time UND letter-winner in wrestling, Speare served as UND’s assistant wrestling coach from 1981 to 1983 and announced Sioux wrestling from 1983 through 1988.

Biddco
04-16-2010, 10:47 AM
North Dakota South Dakotans
North Dakota Dakotans
North Dakota Texans

ExileOnDaytonStreet
04-16-2010, 10:53 AM
Also, I love the suggestion of Manifest Destiny.

Thanks.

I think its great because Whitey truly is taking over here.

Happy
04-16-2010, 04:42 PM
This is the best commentary I have seen on the possible Sioux name retirement:

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/157912/publisher_ID/40/

By Don Speare


GRAND FORKS — I hope the fight to let UND retain its Fighting Sioux name is not over, but if the name cannot be saved, then it should not be replaced with any nickname.

We will never be more than Fighting Sioux, and if we truly respect the name, we should “retire” it conspicuously, leaving only “North Dakota” for our team name.

Thousands of Fighting Sioux families have stories like ours: I was incredibly fortunate to experience the thrill of Sioux competition as a scholarship athlete, an assistant coach and a UND team announcer. My wife (UND ’83) and I are proud parents of two UND Sioux students, one with two degrees and another just beginning his UND Sioux journey.

We’ve been Fighting Sioux Club members and supportive alumni because we are indebted and obligated — privileged — as so many UND alumni understand.

We say “Thank you” to generations of the Sioux Nation for lending their name to UND. The Fighting Sioux name symbolized a spirit of loyalty, in honor of and in brotherhood with the great Sioux warriors and proud Sioux people — a way for that spirit to be expressed though our performance, attitude and demeanor.

Being Fighting Sioux was woven into the educational and normal maturing process that college brings, but it added something more. Warriors who fight back to back and owe each other their lives forge a lifelong bond, even though each individual may be different from the other in nearly every substantive way — the Sioux experience can have that impact.

UND athletes understood that the Sioux name was lent to us, not owned by us; that we were privileged to be called Fighting Sioux, and not gracing the Sioux namesake for our own self-aggrandizement.

Being a UND Fighting Sioux endowed legions of letter winners with a special spirit that changes those of us charged with living up to the honor. Fighting Sioux fans feel it, and our competition dreads and envies it.

And that’s true not only in sports. UND Aerospace flying teams, the Marching and Pep Bands and many UND groups exude the Sioux spirit that permeates UND. Students and alumni are praised for their respectful and classy behavior when compared with students from many other universities.

“Fighting Sioux” never was a nickname, and the logo is not a mascot. Submissively allowing the NCAA and Sioux name opponents to trivialize and prejudge the UND/Sioux relationship let manipulative “PC” language gain traction — a huge error.

Our athletes and graduates have been proud, fierce and respectful. There is not a more positive beacon for the Indian image than the class act of UND athletics projecting our Sioux namesake. The “Sioux!” cry rings proudly out across fields and arenas all over this nation, and through broadcasts via satellite and Internet, across the planet.

Our soldiers, sailors and aerospace alumni take the Sioux logo into battle and on missions into space, comforted by the spirit it fires within us.

If we must retire the Fighting Sioux name and logo, the fitting “spirit” for the greatest aerospace university is to retire the Fighting Sioux name the way a revered pilot is remembered: with the Missing Man Formation.

If the name Fighting Sioux is retired, make no mistake: so, too, is the spirit with which it was being used. If we must “move forward” without the Sioux name, then let the absence of “Fighting Sioux” be conspicuous, palpable and begging elucidation.

Make future announcers explain to their audiences why UND is, out of respect for the Sioux, merely North Dakota. If not Fighting Sioux, then we are North Dakota, nothing else.

Go Sioux!

A three-time UND letter-winner in wrestling, Speare served as UND’s assistant wrestling coach from 1981 to 1983 and announced Sioux wrestling from 1983 through 1988.

Oh, come on, North Dakota changed it's nickname before, so it's not like ND and the sue name were tied together forever.

Old Pio
04-16-2010, 09:52 PM
I don't envy you trying to find an alternative identity (assuming it comes to that). I'll make a prediction: almost nobody will like what's chosen and it'll take a couple of generations (maybe more) before there's a grudging acceptance of the new identity (and maybe not even then). This sucks, big time.

Happy
04-16-2010, 11:51 PM
I don't envy you trying to find an alternative identity (assuming it comes to that). I'll make a prediction: almost nobody will like what's chosen and it'll take a couple of generations (maybe more) before there's a grudging acceptance of the new identity (and maybe not even then). This sucks, big time.

no, not really, almost the whole student body turns over every 4 years, and since they are the heart of the school, they will want a new nickname, and after a few years, none of the 18 year old freshmen will remember anything else. it will only be the old men who care, since all the freshmen will be getting drunk, and be trying their hardest to have wild sex like always.

CornwallAce
04-17-2010, 12:43 AM
I suppose the fighting quilted northerns is out of the question?

Old Pio
04-17-2010, 12:55 AM
no, not really, almost the whole student body turns over every 4 years, and since they are the heart of the school, they will want a new nickname, and after a few years, none of the 18 year old freshmen will remember anything else. it will only be the old men who care, since all the freshmen will be getting drunk, and be trying their hardest to have wild sex like always.

No, you're wrong. I don't care if the student body turns over every 4 months. Students may be "the heart of the school" but it isn't as if once you've gotten a diploma you suddenly lose interest in what goes on there. Many (maybe most) students will believe they already have a nickname and that the new one was dictated at the point of a gun. You act as if these 18 year old freshmen exist in some sort of vacuum, that they'll be unaware of this controversy and won't care. Again, I believe you're wrong. BTW, I have it on good authority that 18-year olds ultimately become old men. There may come a time when this issue fades into the background, but it will take decades for it to be truly forgotten. People are funny about what they remember and what's important to them. Although the issues involved are not in the least comparable, remember that Hitler had the French surrender to him in the same railroad car in which the Germans signed the armistice. Then he had the site destroyed. In his mind, that righted an historic wrong. Go back a bit and check out an earlier post. Kids at Illinois have formed a group called Students for Chief Illiniwek. And judging by the 10,000 of them who showed up at the first "Next Dance" event, they're not quietly abandoning their support for Chief Illiniwek, although over time that support will surely fade away. In both cases, it just won't be a quick or as certain as you assert.

edit: turns out I posted this in the other Sioux thread, so here's the link to the event. Just watch the first few seconds and listen to the ovation the kid gets when he introduces himself. You know, college kids can be very contrarian. And whatever unfortunate nickname ("Weedwhackers" or whatever) gets chosen it will be seen by at least some (I'm predicting many) students as the Quisling nickname, to be shunned, ridiculed and opposed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GfeKpgBPoA

Happy
04-17-2010, 01:06 AM
No, you're wrong. I don't care if the student body turns over every 4 months. Students may be "the heart of the school" but it isn't as if once you've gotten a diploma you suddenly lose interest in what goes on there. Many (maybe most) students will believe they already have a nickname and that the new one was dictated at the point of a gun. You act as if these 18 year old freshmen exist in some sort of vacuum, that they'll be unaware of this controversy and won't care. Again, I believe you're wrong. BTW, I have it on good authority that 18-year olds ultimately become old men. There may come a time when this issue fades into the background, but it will take decades for it to be truly forgotten. People are funny about what they remember and what's important to them. Although the issues involved are not in the least comparable, remember that Hitler had the French surrender to him in the same railroad car in which the Germans signed the armistice. Then he had the site destroyed. In his mind, that righted an historic wrong. Go back a bit and check out an earlier post. Kids at Illinois have formed a group called Students for Chief Illiniwek. And judging by the 10,000 of them who showed up at the first "Next Dance" event, they're not quietly abandoning their support for Chief Illiniwek, although over time that support will surely fade away. In both cases, it just won't be a quick or as certain as you assert.

in about 15 years, almost none of the students at UND will have any remembrances first hand to the sue name, and they will not really care any more. this is much less than a couple of generations. I talk to people who are 15 years younger than me all the time, and nothing that was important cultural to me when I grew up is even known by them, they listen to different music, watch different TV shows, have different sports heroes, etc. heck, none of them can even understand the idea of not having a video game, VCR, or the INTERNET, much less what nickname a school used to have. The old men will be bitter until they die, but in less than ten years, the students will move on and worry about something else.

Old Pio
04-17-2010, 01:34 AM
in about 15 years, almost none of the students at UND will have any remembrances first hand to the sue name, and they will not really care any more. this is much less than a couple of generations. I talk to people who are 15 years younger than me all the time, and nothing that was important cultural to me when I grew up is even known by them, they listen to different music, watch different TV shows, have different sports heroes, etc. heck, none of them can even understand the idea of not having a video game, VCR, or the INTERNET, much less what nickname a school used to have. The old men will be bitter until they die, but in less than ten years, the students will move on and worry about something else.

We'll see. You'll have to e-mail me in the hereafter to let me know how it turns out. :) I evidently have a higher regard for Sioux fans' stubbornness on this issue than you.

Happy
04-17-2010, 04:22 PM
We'll see. You'll have to e-mail me in the hereafter to let me know how it turns out. :) I evidently have a higher regard for Sioux fans' stubbornness on this issue than you.

the old men will be bitter, the kids will worry about next Friday's party. I still like the North Stars better than the wild.