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gscott13
04-15-2010, 10:33 AM
Priority 7, Section 104, Row 13, Seats 1 & 2. Top ticket price

Being in row 13 I would have expected to be closer than 50 feet from the ice (maybe it was further, we were a LONG way back for row 13). We were unable to see about 1/5th of the ice due to our seats being about 10 feet to the right of the actual rink so everything along the right side (penalty box) of the rink meant we needed to look up at the Jumbotron, the further away the play moved the less of the ice we were able to see.

pretty much dead on from my point of view. i was three rows behind you, but in seat 18, even farther to the outside and could see even less than what you describe...

The Hallucination
04-16-2010, 10:16 PM
Everyone: After you get home from Detroit, please take a moment to comment on your sightline. Rate the quality of your vantage point. Given its position on the seating chart, was your view better than expected? Worse than expected? And so on. Thanks in advance for your post.


Just realized I never commented back on this particular thread with my comments.



Priority 7, expensive tickets, 4 tickets in Section 129, Row 13


Section 129 Row 13 was adequate. Not spectacular, but it turned out way better than the risers (even though the ones in the middle of the field had no excuse for being as bad as they were- you're not going to block anything with risers of adequate steepness there). Much better than I expected, anyway, though- we could see the ice and follow what was going on adequately.

Anyway, in case it's helpful/interesting, 129 Row 13:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/4527153922_88a8823cb3.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thehallucination/4527153922/)

60min
04-17-2010, 05:31 PM
BTW I don't know if there's a thread that's mentioned this already, but when applying for the 2011 Frozen Four in St. Paul, make sure you "link" your existing email address (that has your Priority info) with the new online system the NCAA is using this year. There's a disclaimer at the bottom of the screen when you first start checking out that says it, but it's still easy to miss -- basically you have to input either your Customer ID# or the email associated with your NCAA account (either is fine) and select "forgot password." Retrieve it, then log in with that password -- that associates your order with your old customer ID# and its Priority #.

I would hate for anyone to go through the process and forget that rather important step! DO NOT REGISTER AS A "NEW USER" or you will be out of luck, even using the same address etc.
I realize that I'm frequently an idiot and that I suck at the internet. but for some reason I can't get this to work for me. The directions say to enter your customer ID# (sans IHM) and hit "forgot password", but each time I try this, it just says this:

No account exists for the Email Address/Account you've entered.Same thing happens if I try entering my email address.

Has anyone else had problems with this, or am I just an idiot? I realize these options aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, but if I'm just being particularly stupid, please let me know what I'm doing wrong.

Thanks!

waterlover
04-18-2010, 10:20 PM
I realize that I'm frequently an idiot and that I suck at the internet. but for some reason I can't get this to work for me. The directions say to enter your customer ID# (sans IHM) and hit "forgot password", but each time I try this, it just says this:
Same thing happens if I try entering my email address.

Has anyone else had problems with this, or am I just an idiot? I realize these options aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, but if I'm just being particularly stupid, please let me know what I'm doing wrong.

Thanks!

No, but my wife is concerned because in the past after logging in it would tell you your priority level and she doesn't recall it being mentioned when applying for 2011 tickets.

pgb-ohio
04-22-2010, 11:12 AM
High Priority, Low Visibility:
Summary of Seat Assignments
At The
Ford Field Frozen Four


Part I: Overview
A new 3-D version of Alice In Wonderland was released in time for the Ford Field Frozen Four. IMAX viewing of the film was available at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. That proved to be stunningly appropriate. In the upside-down world of the FFFF, holders of the highest priority levels were given the worst seats in the house.

On paper, the seat assignments looked positively reasonable. Unfortunately the assignments were based on the assumption that it was possible to observe hockey from the riser seats. That assumption proved to be spectacularly false.

Fans at low and middle levels of priority did much better, at least in a relative sense. It must be emphasized that all of the seats were less than ideal. That was inevitable, given the venue. But at least these fans were treated equitably within the realm of available options.

Along with location, an always relevant question is whether tickets purchased in the Lottery held their dollar value. For 2010, the answer is a resounding no. After the lottery process was complete, the NCAA flooded the market with inexpensive seats. Even if price isn't a factor, fans have a greater comfort level dealing with the box office as opposed to private sellers. Given the bargains at the box office, resale prospects were bleak.

Like last year, I'll tell my story in three parts. This year's set-up is as follows:

Part I: Overview
Part II: Three Games, Six Locations: My Ford Field Odyssey
Part III: 2010 Seat Assignments: Level-By-Level Breakdown


2010: The Year Of The Casual Fan
Frozen Four regulars and other hockey purists already know this with a vengeance. But to state the obvious, this just wasn't our year. The only people that truly benefitted from the FFFF format were the newcomers who got in the building for $40 -- or less. Those fans would have been shut out of Joe Louis Arena or any other NHL venue. They got to sample our tournament at minimal cost, sitting in seats that weren't all that different from the full price offerings. The 2010 tournament was for them.

This truth extends well beyond the Ford Field doors. Sharing the stage with the MLB Tigers' Opening Weekend was hoped for, even expected. And yes, we should be grateful the aspiration became a reality. The combined fan bases made for a great festival atmosphere in Downtown Detroit.

But notice how this further de-emphasized the hockey competition. Taken together, the baseball fans and the FF newbies comprised a substantial majority of those present. None of those people brought any sort of intensity to our event. It reminded me of a Football Saturday in September. Good weather, party atmosphere and a huge crowd -- half of whom have no intention of entering the venue. Clearly it was a good time. Still, competitors on a championship weekend deserve something different and better: A strong focus on the games themselves.

FFFF Ducats: Not An Investment Vehicle
The secondary ticket market? Prior to the tournament, there wasn't one. Over on the Ticket Board, precious few offers matured into sales. On the ticket threads, repeated reminders made clear that this was not the year to be caught with extras. The forecasts turned out to be quite accurate. This is not to say that everyone with tickets for sale failed to heed warnings. Life throws us curveballs; sometimes plans must change. But this year most of those cancelling trips had only one good option: donate the tickets to charity. Fortunately, many did.

Thursday on the Street saw a similar lack of buyers. The beleaguered scalpers were bleating like a herd of lost sheep. In one especially memorable sales pitch, the merchant proclaimed that this was our lucky day, and implored us to name our price. Having no use for the goods in question, we smilingly declined. Little did we know just how unlucky the day was about to become for those of us holding riser tickets.

It probably doesn't speak well of me, but I took some private satisfaction in the scalpers' plight. Detroit scalpers are more aggressive and less honest than their campus counterparts. Frankly, the buyers' experience is much better in most other urban centers as well -- including last year in DC. Ordinarily I enjoy chatting with the street merchants. But in Detroit it's an adversarial relationship.

Point: I've never been sold counterfeit tickets or anything like that. But years ago I was deked into overpaying for a game at JLA. On subsequent occasions I've observed a good number of bald-faced lies. I'm very grateful that the large majority of our people weren't reliant on Detroit scalpers to gain access to the tournament. And even those that cut deals with the scalpers bargained from a position of relative strength.

The Street had more activity on Saturday. While I highly doubt that any sales were made above face value, tickets were changing hands. Similarly, the Ford Field Box Office enjoyed a walk-up sale of at least 2,500 customers. Note that the security people didn't appreciate the increase. Long security lines resulted. But that's another story.

Preview Of Part II
My personal experience inside Ford Field is detailed in the next section. Those not wanting that much information should feel free to skip ahead to Part III. Once again, my summary runs long.

The central theme of my tale is that staying in my assigned seat was simply not an option. Now I always make it a point to wander around the Frozen Four venue, compiling mental notes about the various vantage points. But in the usual year that wandering occurs during intermissions, pre-game and post-game.

This year, I became determined to make my observations during live game action. I'm not recommending this course of action for anyone else. The more appropriate tactic would be to ask for replacement seats at customer service. Many did exactly that, and successfully improved their lot. But armed with moral indignation, I pursued my self-help remedy -- dragging my somewhat reluctant buddies along with me.


Next Up: Part II: Three Games, Six Locations: My Ford Field Odyssey

pgb-ohio
04-23-2010, 11:23 AM
High Priority, Low Visibility:
Summary of Seat Assignments
At The
Ford Field Frozen Four


Part II: Three Games, Six Locations: My Ford Field Odyssey

As mentioned in Part I, one of the Detroit scalpers proclaimed Thursday at the tournament to be my lucky day. It had been great to that point. We had a fine time at the Henry Ford Museum and the Ford Rouge Factory Tour. In fact, we were having such a good time that we lingered a bit too long at the assembly plant. But the commute into the city went well, and parking near Ford Field was a breeze. Even the fee was reasonable. Then we entered the stadium...

Bench Side Risers: Where It All Began

Riser seats are probably going to be better than other seats, right?:eek:

Riser Section 37. Kind of a shame to be even a few minutes late with such great tickets. We showed our ducats to the usher, gaining access to the risers. What's with all the empty chairs? Late arriving crowd?

Then we sat down. The view was just as jen described. (See Post #47) We left immediately. Well, almost immediately. Being good hockey people, we waited for a whistle.;)

We weren't alone; most of the section was already gone. bgbill, assigned to the same section, left after the first period. He might as well have hung up a "Closed" sign on his way out. Our section remained mostly empty all tournament long.

The plain truth: The Bench Side Risers were a complete disgrace, and should not have been sold. You could have put chairs in the outer course facing a blank wall, and the seats would not have been worse. OK, to make things genuinely equal, the outer concourse seats could have a TV monitor with somewhat fuzzy reception.:)

I can understand why the rink wasn't placed flush against the permanent stands. Such a design would have further damaged the sightlines in the permanent seats. That part of the stadium simply isn't designed for viewing the small area between the back of the football end zone and the wall. So use the risers if you must, but leave the chairs in storage. One idea would be to cover the risers with tournament-themed tarps. Perhaps the the logos of the four participating schools could be displayed. Or, maybe such tarps would provide a nice marketing opportunity. But again, this area should not have been used for seating.


Behind The Net In Section 103
Scrambling to find a view of the action, we grabbed some open seats in Section 103. In doing so, we joined fellow posters Rumpleman, ME Fan, hockeyeast fan & CO Hockey in that section. Our seats were most similar to CO Hockey's location in Row 23. Note that CO Hockey was a Priority 2 Ticket Holder for Detroit. So we had just accepted a voluntary downgrade of 10 priority levels. But voila! We could now see that there was a hockey game in progress! However humble, the seats were actually an upgrade.

Waterlover had a similar vantage point in Section 104, Row 13. He concluded that his location was a LONG way back from the ice surface. We were at least 15 rows removed from his position, yet feeling pretty good. Maybe there's something to be said for humble beginnings.

But it didn't take long for another problem to come to light -- the incline of the permanent seats simply wasn't steep enough for this rink configuration. On the bright side, anyone who brought kids to the game had a wonderful science education opportunity. The mini-lecture would go something like this:

Honey, do you see the man five rows below in the red jersey? The one with the mullet? OK, now watch when he stands up. Do you see how the entire rink is blotted out from view? That is called a total eclipse.

Now I'm all for science education. But after a period in Section 103 it was time to move on.


On-Field Risers: We're Not So Inclined
Next Stop, Section RS2, approximately Row 20. A member of our group described these seats as follows: Well, they're not great. They're not even good. They're...acceptable. The comment hit the mark. Our adopted blue line seats were rendered mediocre by an almost total lack of incline.

Note that The Freds, sitting in a comparable location, dismissed his assignment as the worst seats I've ever had a Frozen Four... I could only see half the ice. I'm just disgusted.

Furthermore, the problem got progressively worse as you went to lower rows. According to my personal level of tolerance, the first 10 rows were unusuable. Moving up from there, the game slowly came into view, even as the distance from the ice increased at a maddening rate.

While in the lower rows, I decided to stop by and see Brewmaster. Just as he posted, he had no sightline at all. He also left before I got there. Good thing, actually. The alternative scenario would have had Brewmaster sittting in his chair in a catatonic trance. It would have been my obligation to have him civilly committed. Who needs such a nuisance?

In any event, we completed the first semi-final in the RS2 location.


The Balcony Has More Soul -- And This Year The Best Vantage Point As Well
For the BC-Miami game, we decided to try out the seats in the 200's. Lo and behold, a vantage point recognizable to a hockey fan's eye! And priced at a $70 discount!

We nestled into Section 244, toward the top of the section. The sightline and the distance from the ice were no worse than nosebleed seats in an NHL arena. Deal, or No Deal? We took the deal. Thursday's wanderings were complete; we settled in for the evening.

DLG had occasion to compare seats in RS1, RS2 & Section 241, and reached a similar conclusion. He described his son-in-law's balcony location as the best seat in a horrid venue.


Congratulations To Satyking, Winner of the 2010 Priority Lottery
Satyking made the shrewd move of opting for the $119 tickets. Using his top level priority to full advantage, he bagged a first row balcony seat at center ice. Well done!

And yet, this leaves a rather nagging feeling for the rest of us. How were we to know that in the Wonderland called Ford Field, the key to getting better seats was to buy cheaper tickets?


Behind the Net in Section 130
Returning to action Saturday night, we began the evening in Section 130, above row 30. Fellow posters s11r9seat8, jdevoejr & manurespreader had assignments in that section. Priority Level 6 netted Row 16; Priority Level 3 snagged Row 25; Priority 0 claimed Row 29. So we were sitting in zero priority seats! We later learned from jen that seats in this specific area went unsold. Instead, they were being given out as replacements for riser tickets. So you might say we accidently wound up were we belonged.

Section 130 is at the opposite end of the ice from Section 103. But in general, the same comments apply. As long as the other fans remained seated, we had a mostly unobstructed view of the ice sheet. We did feel a bit removed from the action. This was due to the gap between the rink and the permanent stands, and the all-too-modest incline.

A couple of comments on the gap: The ice sheet is going to be 200 feet long; that's a given. The playing surface at Ford Field is wider than that, so gaps behind the end boards were inevitable. It appeared that the gaps on each end were roughly equal with one another, so no complaint there. The pain was shared equally between the two ends.

But I have to believe that the feeling of detachment caused by the gaps put a damper on the atmosphere at the FFFF. Granted, the lopsided nature of the games was probably a bigger factor. But the gaps took things in the wrong direction.


RIT! RIT!: On The Side in Section 135
With a little bit of wanderlust left, we moved on to Section 135, across the aisle from Section 136. Again, the openings were found in the higher rows. We wound up in the same neighborhood as Zambonehead, a Priority 8 holder. That knowledge is somewhat comforting. The voluntary downgrade involved was now four levels, meaning that we had cut our losses fairly nicely.

The vantage point was, in fact, reasonably good. We had a nice sideline view of one of the nets, and an acceptable view of the rest of the rink. Perhaps the best feature of our ultimate location was that we were less than two sections away from the highly entertaining RIT Student Section. The RIT section was clearly the life of an otherwise dull party.

When all was said and done, I had to admit I rather enjoyed my rouge tour of Ford Field. But I must also say I'm fully satisfied that I've been there and done that.

Dear NCAA: We do NOT have to do this again!


Next Up: Part III: 2010 Seat Assignments: Level-By-Level Breakdown

Sorry about the delay in posting Part III. I was swamped last week, and the next few days don't look much better. But it really is still coming!

gscott13
05-04-2010, 06:04 PM
part 3? :)