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MarkEagleUSA
04-15-2010, 05:17 AM
I am not selling out...I was sold out by Coach Pecknold...Remember, there's 3 sides to every story: yours, his, and the truth.



I'm just retaliating.Classy. :rolleyes:

allnightwong
04-15-2010, 07:01 AM
MarkEagle,

I am not selling out...I was sold out by Coach Pecknold...I'm just retaliating. Don't be so sensitive. I say the things I say because I want QU to be successful. Not to push your buttons. It's nothing personal...the moment that rink was built it became a business...act accordingly.


In fairness to the RugBandit, I didn't think all of his points were far off. Some yes. But Rand's on bench demeanor could use some work. It's no secret anymore in the league that the officials have it in for Rand and that only affects our boys negatively on the ice. As for the rest of the post, I would like to think that a former alum wouldn't be swaying people away from going to that "beautiful campus with great school spirit" simply because of some sour grapes. I think it's best to leave the personal gripe out of the equation. A lot of what you wrote, Rug man, holds some merit, however, it does look more like a personal attack on Rand, which at times are deserved, but not now. I mentioned a few months back that in 2 years, if things stay the way they are now, then we may be in need of a change. But as for right now the program is still in its infancy and needs to be looked at that way. Don't give me the RIT response because that was an anomaly. I just think we still have time, but I'm a patient fella, some aren't. If it is just sour grapes and some personal vendetta then that's on you man. We could care less.

Just for thought...QURugBandit44 = Jordan Zitoun? Just sayin.

allnightwong
04-15-2010, 07:03 AM
http://www.collegehockey247.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1066447

Awesome find Miker. Greatly appreciated!

MarkEagleUSA
04-15-2010, 07:24 AM
But Rand's on bench demeanor could use some work. It's no secret anymore in the league that the officials have it in for Rand and that only affects our boys negatively on the ice.I can't argue against this however I don't think he's really any worse than some of the other ECAC coaches when it comes to giving it to the refs.

I'll add that Rand's gametime behaviour and his ability to coach and/or recruit are not one in the same. They're separate issues as far as I'm concerned.


If it is just sour grapes and some personal vendetta then that's on you man.Agreed.

Quinn57
04-15-2010, 07:57 AM
Great find Mike. Really appreciate it.

That cycle like the Sedins comment in the article about the Jones twins made my mouth water.

Quinn57
04-15-2010, 08:01 AM
"Just for thought...QURugBandit44 = Jordan Zitoun? Just sayin."

Fair question. :Awaits response:

MinniQUFan
04-15-2010, 08:34 AM
Just for thought...QURugBandit44 = Jordan Zitoun? Just sayin.

ahahahahaha... that was a thought of mine, but rug bandit sounds like he was apart of the program for more than just one year.

MinniQUFan
04-15-2010, 08:39 AM
Don't give me the RIT response because that was an anomaly.



I may be becoming a RIT homer, but I just don't know if you can call their success as a D1 program an anomaly. They've had GREAT success nearly their entire time in D1. If anything, RIT should be looked at as a model program in how it has been built and how it is coached... not a knock against Rand, but that was a team with a helluva lot of hustle and heart. Just imagine what QU could do with that level of hustle and heart with their superior talent.

MinniQUFan
04-15-2010, 08:39 AM
I kinda like the lively off-season discussion even if it is getting heated.

ZYanksRule
04-15-2010, 08:44 AM
ahahahahaha... that was a thought of mine, but rug bandit sounds like he was apart of the program for more than just one year.

I was thinking about Zitoun, too. Wasn't he the one with the crazy dad who got his story in the Register?

MinniQUFan
04-15-2010, 09:13 AM
I was thinking about Zitoun, too. Wasn't he the one with the crazy dad who got his story in the Register?

Yes.

MarkEagleUSA
04-15-2010, 10:01 AM
I may be becoming a RIT homer, but I just don't know if you can call their success as a D1 program an anomaly.I'd say the anomaly was their run in the tourney. They certainly earned everything they did in the NCAA's by outplaying their opponents so I'm not saying they weren't deserving. I agree that overall they've done a fabulous job as a program at the D1 level to get where they are.


Just imagine what QU could do with that level of hustle and heart with their superior talent.Watching RIT in the tourney was my first exposure to them so I'm not sure I can comment properly about them. As for the Bobcats, I saw this years team display some incredible heart and hustle, especially early on. They peaked a little too early in my opinion but with 13 freshmen seeing significant ice time that wasn't entirely suprising.

Wonger's content to give the team another 2 years before thinking about wholesale changes. Myself, I think it's 3... give this years freshmen a full 4 seasons to make some noise. If not, then maybe it's time to look at other options.

MinniQUFan
04-15-2010, 12:25 PM
Wonger's content to give the team another 2 years before thinking about wholesale changes. Myself, I think it's 3... give this years freshmen a full 4 seasons to make some noise. If not, then maybe it's time to look at other options.

What are your thoughts if QU were to make a step backward next year? Say fall out of the top 8 and into the bottom third of the league? While I'm not ready to count out Rand yet, if QU were to be unable to secure at least a home playoff series, my support would definitely begin to falter.

MarkEagleUSA
04-15-2010, 12:47 PM
What are your thoughts if QU were to make a step backward next year? Say fall out of the top 8 and into the bottom third of the league? While I'm not ready to count out Rand yet, if QU were to be unable to secure at least a home playoff series, my support would definitely begin to falter.We were dangerously close to that this year! :eek:

I guess it would depend on the circumstances. What if we get riddled with injuries? That's not something directly in the coaches control. On the other hand, if we flat out stink up the joint then I might be inclined to start worrying.

Again, my opinion of what a head coach at the D1 level is supposed to do is probably different than yours and others. To me, it's much more than the on-ice product. Sure, I want a league title and a trip to the FF as much as the next guy, but it's really not all about winning, is it?

I'll say this (and I believe I've said it before): my support for Rand and his staff is based on his past record; what he's done to get the team to this point. It's going to take more than one bad year to sway me. While we may not have made it to the promised land yet, we've been a very competetive team right from our first ECAC game, and we still are. Sure, we've lost some ugly games, but we've won a bunch that nobody thought we would (or should) as well.

Also, keep in mind that I'm still a hockey novice. :o I'll be the first to admit I don't fully understand the game. Maybe that causes me to see things in a different light than those of you who've been around it longer and maybe even played some.

ZYanksRule
04-15-2010, 01:16 PM
What are your thoughts if QU were to make a step backward next year? Say fall out of the top 8 and into the bottom third of the league? While I'm not ready to count out Rand yet, if QU were to be unable to secure at least a home playoff series, my support would definitely begin to falter.

Remember how strange last year was for us, too. The team did never give up on Rand -- they played hard almost every night. The puck just didn't find a way into the net. It's not like this was a bad team this year. They just got beat a lot. But it really wasn't their own doing. It's not like they were the Rangers in the NHL. They just got some awful luck, lost their confidence, and faltered.

But yes, if they fall under 8th, I'd start to get a little concerned.

MarkEagleUSA
04-15-2010, 02:40 PM
It's not like this was a bad team this year. They just got beat a lot. But it really wasn't their own doing.They had two "bad" games this season. First was the loss at Brown the night after the Yale loss. They were terrible that night (I was there and so was Minni who will probably agree). The other game where they stunk up the place was the tie at Holy Cross. Possibly the worst performance I ever witnessed from a Bobcat team. Wonger and I actually left there slightly embarrassed that night.

Other than that, I felt they were in almost every other game they played. Bad luck and a few key mistakes were the difference in most of them. I honestly don't remember thinking we were going to get beat going into any game.

Then again, I'm the eternal optimist when comes to Bobcat hockey! ;)

ZYanksRule
04-15-2010, 08:21 PM
They had two "bad" games this season. First was the loss at Brown the night after the Yale loss. They were terrible that night (I was there and so was Minni who will probably agree). The other game where they stunk up the place was the tie at Holy Cross. Possibly the worst performance I ever witnessed from a Bobcat team. Wonger and I actually left there slightly embarrassed that night.

Other than that, I felt they were in almost every other game they played. Bad luck and a few key mistakes were the difference in most of them. I honestly don't remember thinking we were going to get beat going into any game.

Then again, I'm the eternal optimist when comes to Bobcat hockey! ;)

That's my point -- we could have very easily been a 25-win team, Top 20, top 4 in the league. All it took was a bounce or two in 4-5 games. This wasn't a bad hockey team. They weren't great, but they weren't bad.

Quinn57
04-15-2010, 09:49 PM
"...but it's really not all about winning, is it?"

Yes it is.

/discussion.

The Rangers huh? They're quite the beacon of tireless effort...

ZYanksRule
04-16-2010, 08:42 AM
"...but it's really not all about winning, is it?"

Yes it is.

/discussion.

The Rangers huh? They're quite the beacon of tireless effort...

That's my point!! I said they're NOT like the Rangers, who decided not to show up for half the season.

The Bobcats showed up almost every night but got tough breaks all year. That's just bad luck that will hopefully turn around next year.

QuRugBandit44
04-16-2010, 09:59 PM
I have done my best in communicating why Rand Pecknold’s contract should not be renewed when it expires in 2012. Some of you are too stubborn to change your minds, some of you obviously have emotional ties to Rand, and some of you are just unwilling to hear the truth. I know what I am talking abut in this situation. On the bright side, some of you are seeing the light and realize that Rand Pecknold is not a good enough coach for where we all want the program to go. In time you will see I was right...someday QU will hire a coach that prepares his players for the next level, while repairing the damage that has been done the the programs reputation over the years (due to Rand). Until that time, myself and many other alums will continue to deflect all talented prospects I come in contact with away from the program. I hope I have opened some eyes as to what has really been going on behind the scenes.

-QURugbandit44

P.S. This is not Zitoun. Without revealing too much I played professionally for several years after QU. East Coast League and American League.