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Slasher7
07-20-2010, 10:34 AM
"We think he's a very good player, and it's not like they're the best team in their league. They're not Boston University or anyone like that."
—Dale Hunter (Head coach, London Knights)

London Free Press: Snaring Tinordi pits Hunters and old foe (http://www.lfpress.com/sports/hockey/2010/07/15/14719336.html)

Right city, wrong school, Dale....

Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres.
07-20-2010, 04:20 PM
...Season ticket order forms should be coming in about 2-3 weeks...

Wow. That 2 weeks flew by. :rolleyes:

Order forms arrived today.

Tidbits include: The DTP thing is immediately before the exhibition game, you can get a long sleeved t-shirt for each season ticket holder, ND hockey is on Facebook (something this Luddite isn't party to--however, I have seen the choices for seats for the new arena pictured there) and Kyle Palmieri is included in the returnees. In light of recent events, one has to amend outcries of his stupidity and realize he's apparently one of many...

The start of the last season in the JACC is looming large in the rear view mirror. :D

Hokydad
07-21-2010, 08:50 AM
Oh, I fully expect that. I imagine that he will be wanting some liquid lunches after the headaches he must be getting from his players.

As for

If that isn't motivation enough for this team to turn last season into a distant memory and prove it was an anomaly, I can't imagine what would be. Coach Jackson needs to go to Kinko's, have that quote printed in large block letters on a neon posterboard, laminate it and hang it up in the locker room.

Well they are not.... BU has won the national championship 5 times, ND never has.

It's like telling a cow he is not a horse.

You should not have to post anothers comments to motivate players. It should be self motivation to win that does it. Hunter simply said the obvious.

And I am a big ND fan and long time admirer of Jackson, watched him lose to Maine in natl championship game. Do though feel that starting with Poulin and continuing through last year, ND has vastly underperformed with the recruiting classes they have brought in.

Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres.
07-21-2010, 01:00 PM
Well they are not.... BU has won the national championship 5 times, ND never has.
Oh, so that's the difference between these two teams.


You should not have to post anothers comments to motivate players. It should be self motivation to win that does it.
Have you ever been a teacher, parent or coach?


ND has vastly underperformed with the recruiting classes they have brought in.
Last year, yes.

IrishHockeyFan
07-21-2010, 04:05 PM
Do though feel that starting with Poulin and continuing through last year, ND has vastly underperformed with the recruiting classes they have brought in.

So when Jackson won 32 games and CCHA regular season and playoff titles (the first two titles of any kind by a Notre Dame hockey team, by the way) 2 years after they won FIVE games he underperformed?

Or the following season when he kept his team together through a very tough second half when they found trouble scoring, lost their leading scorer in the first CCHA playoff game, and yet ended up playing for a National Championship they underperformed?

Or in 2009 when they spent most of the year at or near the top of the rankings and won another pair of CCHA titles they underperformed?

I asked all of this because it seems as if you feel they may have, even though it sounds like you simply posed a question, despite the fact there wasn't one of these little dealies -- ? after it.

I will grant that Poulin's teams underperformed somewhat based on the talent he recruited in a couple of his seasons. But guess what, he's been gone for years so who cares? And yeah, last year the team underperformed but again, so what? That has already been hashed and re-hashed by posters I actually respect.

Why do I need to add yet another name to my ''ignore" list? Oh yeah, you just showed me why... Silly me I thought I had already done that with you. Oh well, no time like the present.

Hokydad
07-21-2010, 05:08 PM
So when Jackson won 32 games and CCHA regular season and playoff titles (the first two titles of any kind by a Notre Dame hockey team, by the way) 2 years after they won FIVE games he underperformed?

Or the following season when he kept his team together through a very tough second half when they found trouble scoring, lost their leading scorer in the first CCHA playoff game, and yet ended up playing for a National Championship they underperformed?

Or in 2009 when they spent most of the year at or near the top of the rankings and won another pair of CCHA titles they underperformed?

I asked all of this because it seems as if you feel they may have, even though it sounds like you simply posed a question, despite the fact there wasn't one of these little dealies -- ? after it.

I will grant that Poulin's teams underperformed somewhat based on the talent he recruited in a couple of his seasons. But guess what, he's been gone for years so who cares? And yeah, last year the team underperformed but again, so what? That has already been hashed and re-hashed by posters I actually respect.

Why do I need to add yet another name to my ''ignore" list? Oh yeah, you just showed me why... Silly me I thought I had already done that with you. Oh well, no time like the present.

I say that only because I felt that after the great year they had a few seasons ago, they would have turned the corner with the players they had. They did not and took a huge step backwards last year.
Ignore?? Wow, won't be able to sleep tonight. You should ignore, just stick your head in the sand and the team might turn around.

Hokydad
07-21-2010, 05:11 PM
Oh, so that's the difference between these two teams. Actually yes it is. Championships is what defines a program, not winning X amount of games. Ask UNH about that theory


Have you ever been a teacher, parent or coach? Yes, and coached more than one kid on ND in the past.


Last year, yes.

They have to many natl program kids and regarded recruits to lay an egg like that

Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres.
07-21-2010, 06:04 PM
They have to many natl program kids and regarded recruits to lay an egg like that

It was leadership and team chemistry. Or rather, lack thereof. Read back through last season's thread and you'll see my many, many posts complaining about last season's captains. If your leaders aren't leading you down the right path, you won't be successful.

Hokydad
07-21-2010, 07:03 PM
It was leadership and team chemistry. Or rather, lack thereof. Read back through last season's thread and you'll see my many, many posts complaining about last season's captains. If your leaders aren't leading you down the right path, you won't be successful.

maybe
i doubt that made their top players perform poorly on pp etc

capts killed BU as well last year

Onion Man
07-21-2010, 08:18 PM
capts killed BU as well last year

"...and on the seventh day, Warsofsky rested". LOL, you are such a clown Candyvan..

Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres.
07-21-2010, 08:18 PM
maybe
i doubt that made their top players perform poorly on pp etc

capts killed BU as well last year

Let's just say there was some dissension in the ranks.

As for BU, weren't those captains stripped and then subsequently woke up?

Craig P.
07-21-2010, 11:12 PM
Feel free to identify the top coach who hasn't had a bad season despite a lot of talent.

(I won't be holding my breath waiting, that's for sure...)

IrishHockeyFan
07-26-2010, 07:18 PM
Notre Dame has officially announced T.J. Jindra as a member of their coaching staff, replacing Mike McNeill as the volunteer assistant. Absent from the roster is Brad Philips. From the internet chatter that doesn't likely come as a surprise.

Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres.
07-27-2010, 09:23 PM
Notre Dame has officially announced T.J. Jindra as a member of their coaching staff...

Very astute move, given their leadership/team chemistry issues last season. He was one of the best captains to ever wear a Notre Dame jersey.

68 days til the team takes the ice in a game.

Third Family Member
07-29-2010, 04:57 PM
Notre Dame has officially announced T.J. Jindra as a member of their coaching staff, replacing Mike McNeill as the volunteer assistant. Absent from the roster is Brad Philips. From the internet chatter that doesn't likely come as a surprise.

My goodness. I don't know where to start. I go to Chicago, Ireland and New York for some shows and come back to learn that apparently some 25 collective hockey players at Notre Dame can't put together one complete thinking brain amongst them. I can't even think of where to begin with my sighs of disappointment but maybe Joe Lavin would be a good place to start.

That said, I totally approve of having TJ Jindra as a member of the coaching staff. It would be hard to come up with a nicer, harder worker, down to earth guy, and hopefully he will pass on some much needed leadership genes.

I'm off to Dayton and then Iowa for shows. I don't want to return to yet more disasters, so can someone lock up the beer and gun cabinets.

IrishHockeyFan
08-01-2010, 09:56 AM
My goodness. I don't know where to start. I go to Chicago, Ireland and New York for some shows and come back to learn that apparently some 25 collective hockey players at Notre Dame can't put together one complete thinking brain amongst them.

Well, in all fairness only 9 were arrested. I'm not throwing the whole team under the bus. Yet. But be forewarned, the team standing is at the curb. And the bus is running... :D


That said, I totally approve of having TJ Jindra as a member of the coaching staff. It would be hard to come up with a nicer, harder worker, down to earth guy, and hopefully he will pass on some much needed leadership genes.

Jindra was quite upset to see Poulin leave as he was very loyal to him and the opportunities opened by Poulin bringing him to Notre Dame. But his dedication to the university and to the hockey program was even deeper, so when Jackson recognized in him the potential to lead the team in the direction Jackson knew they could go, he didn't hesitate to give Jindra the responsibility. I don't think Jindra accumulated even 50 points as a hockey player at Notre Dame. But it's arguable that he may have been the single most important captain in the history of the program. Any player who wants to lead this team out from under the dark clouds hanging over it since that lackluster day in Grand Rapids in 2009 would be wise to seek out Jindra's council, and take a lot of notes.

SteveP
08-02-2010, 06:05 AM
Notre Dame has officially announced T.J. Jindra as a member of their coaching staff, replacing Mike McNeill as the volunteer assistant.


Very astute move, given their leadership/team chemistry issues last season. He was one of the best captains to ever wear a Notre Dame jersey.

A good selection by JJ, but one question. Will 3 seasons away as a player be enough for TJ to separate himself from the current players, especially the seniors?

Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres.
08-02-2010, 09:50 AM
A good selection by JJ, but one question. Will 3 seasons away as a player be enough for TJ to separate himself from the current players, especially the seniors?

I would say, since he'd never played with any of the 2010-11 seniors (Brian Brooke, Ryan Guentzel, Joe Lavin--who's only been at ND for less than a full season, Calle Ridderwall and Ben Ryan), there's no issue. I equate it to being a high school teacher right out of college. You may only be 4-5 years older, but you have a world of other experiences. (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to...the age proximity.)

Jindra is a gargantuan reason the team started improving at the halfway point of his first year as captain, then kept the ball rolling his senior year (his 2nd captaincy). He has experience on the worst ND hockey team and on one of the very best. He got his teammates to "buy into" Coach Jackson's line of thinking. That's what this rudderless team needs now. If this season's captains, whoever they may be, don't ask him for advice, shame on them.

*Segue*

As for this season's captains (and I don't mean the rotating taped-on "C" that we may see for the first month...but the letters that will eventually be sewn on), anyone want to speculate?

Captains shouldn't wear a letter solely based on their appeal to the crowd or their scoring prowess. I thought I would change my mind after all the happenings during the off season, but I can't seem to make any better guesses. How's that for a sell job?

I still want Joe Lavin as captain and Riley Sheahan as an alternate. As for any other alternates, Sean Lorenz, Billy Maday and/or Ryan Guentzel are my choices.

Some of you who know of my drool for Calle Ridderwall may wonder, "What about Calle?" Too obvious, and obvious doesn't always work. I don't see him with a letter on his jersey. That's not to impune on his possible leadership ability, it's just my gut feeling.

I even thought of Patrick Gaul for an alternate. Even though he hasn't seen much playing time, he makes the most of it. He's a quiet, yet hard worker.

Now, it's your turn to guess. Ya got 2 months.

Savage
08-02-2010, 10:59 AM
Let's break it down, there are the senior skaters:
Lavin -- this should be a shoo-in as a big bruising senior blueliner, but after making the newspapers for the wrong reasons, that casts a bit of doubt. But hey, at least we know he bonds well with his teammates, right? :p

Ryan -- not exactly what you think of as captain: a role-playing second scoring line centre, but he seems to have the respect of his teammates from what I've seen.

Guentzel -- the kind of guy you want as a captain, but I question whether a 4th-line role player is an effective captain at this level.

Ridderwall -- I agree with you, just doesn't really fit the mold. Great player, good teammate, quiet kid who probably isn't the type who would be effective kicking other players' butts.

The juniors who have already made a contribution:

Maday -- I think of him as similar to Calle, but think he'd definitely work as an "A".

Lorenz -- One of my early choices for captain next year, which puts him in line for an "A" this year; it also fits as he was solid last year despite very little consistency with the waves of blueline injuries.

I generally like having one underclassman wear an "A", but the only three underclassman skaters who have really contributed thus far are Larson, Palmieri, and Sheahan -- the latter two I might automatically disqualify except that I didn't disqualify Joey Lavin. In either event, I think this could be Sheahan, or it could be scrapped a junior who hasn't contributed as much but is of the right qualities (Pat Gaul). But I'll pass -- Sheahan certainly makes the early list for next season, along with Lorenz.

So, I think my choices would be:
C: Joey Lavin
A: Sean Lorenz
A: Billy Maday
A: Ben Ryan

IrishHockeyFan
08-02-2010, 08:12 PM
A good selection by JJ, but one question. Will 3 seasons away as a player be enough for TJ to separate himself from the current players, especially the seniors?

I think its the best of both worlds. No attachment to the current players in terms of being a teammate, but a recent enough player to know what the current version of Jeff Jackson is all about. He is acquainted with some of the older players on the team from recruiting visits and the like.

While we are all heaping praise on Jindra (me included, and it is deserved) it is by no means the most important piece of the puzzle moving into the 2010-2011 season. Most of these guys know what they need to do if they are interested in making last season the anomaly in Jackson's coaching résumé. First on the list would be conditioning. Too many corner battles lost, and strength helps avoid that. Too many injuries last year and strength helps avoid that too. And finally, too many losing third periods, also something a stronger team doesn't often fall prey to.

I believe this played a huge part in last years failures, and that the season was impacted severely even at the time of the first game. I think I even posted before the season was even halfway over my suspicion. Those first few Jackson teams praised Tony Rolinski to the point of bringing him to tears at season ending banquets (that's always fun :D ) but rightly so. Those guys knew what it meant to be as well conditioned as all of your opponents -- if not better conditioned than most.

As for captains, my guesses would be along similar lines of logic everyone else is following. There are some strong reasons to see a number of these guys as captains, but there are also some reservations about them as well. Since I have two months, I'm going to take a little time.