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Red Cloud
03-16-2010, 01:02 PM
Since this thread is populated mostly by rabid RPI fans, I think that sometimes a little paranoia breaks out. You may be right about RPI getting boned on post-season individual awards in the past, but if so, please provide some specifics. The top post-season awards usually find their way to the top 3-4 teams, since it is reasonable to say that they would have more of the better players. I would have to do a little research, but I think RPI has had only one or two winning seasons in the past decade and finished in the top four of the ECAC just once in that time. They had two terrific players in that time in Cavosie and Murley. I think both received some ECAC honors. I know Ralph or someone else will correct me if I missed something, but you get my point. RPI has not been among the elite in this league for some time.

This goes back into the nineties, when the team was strong every year for the most part.

Jasma
03-16-2010, 01:46 PM
Not sure I understand your point here. How do INDIVIDUAL awards have anything to do with TEAM STANDINGS? You are making a huge assumption that a better team-deeper in talent- would have the best player. Where is the logic in that? Both Di Amigo and Polacek win this year AND the issue with refs over calling penalties is in the past.

Sometimes it has a lot to do with team standings. I think it is fair to assume that the better teams have more of the top players. Since it is a team game some, though not all, voters would like to see statistics translated into wins. RPI made great strides this year, but even Seth Appert has admitted that he believes they underachieved. I don't think that was Polacek's fault, but let's face it, if they were going to Albany this weekend, he would be a lock for POY.

Polacek had great stats this year, but that is not the end all in determining the best player. If voters went only by stats, Backman's teammate Broc Little would be a finalist, since he had more goals and more assists than Backman. I still think Scrivens will win because he has been the best goalie in the league for three years.

How did officiating get into the discussion of post season awards? Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that people were discussing RPI players getting overlooked for post-season awards. I agree with the officiating remarks, but that is for another discussion.

hockeymascot
03-16-2010, 01:48 PM
What are his chances? I would think Backman has "hurt" his badly. CP gets my (non)vote.

Don't be so sure! No disrespect to Brown intended, but you can't underestimate Backman's value to his team, especially since they failed to win their series.

I agree with WS regarding Chase. His performance this year was worthy of POTY recognition. I hope I'm wrong, but I see Backman as the dark horse in this race.

DrDemento
03-16-2010, 01:52 PM
This goes back into the nineties, when the team was strong every year for the most part.

Exactly-I was thinking of the late 80's through the late 90's. I agree that the last 5 years we certainly can't complain much about not winning any individual awards. And I don't think individual awards should really be decided in any way by how successful the team has been.

Jasma
03-16-2010, 02:25 PM
Exactly-I was thinking of the late 80's through the late 90's. I agree that the last 5 years we certainly can't complain much about not winning any individual awards. And I don't think individual awards should really be decided in any way by how successful the team has been.

That is your opinion, but many voters use team performance as one criteria in determining how they vote.

IMO
03-16-2010, 03:19 PM
Sometimes it has a lot to do with team standings. I think it is fair to assume that the better teams have more of the top players. Since it is a team game some, though not all, voters would like to see statistics translated into wins. RPI made great strides this year, but even Seth Appert has admitted that he believes they underachieved. I don't think that was Polacek's fault, but let's face it, if they were going to Albany this weekend, he would be a lock for POY.

Polacek had great stats this year, but that is not the end all in determining the best player. If voters went only by stats, Backman's teammate Broc Little would be a finalist, since he had more goals and more assists than Backman. I still think Scrivens will win because he has been the best goalie in the league for three years.

How did officiating get into the discussion of post season awards? Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that people were discussing RPI players getting overlooked for post-season awards. I agree with the officiating remarks, but that is for another discussion.

Still going with both DiAmigo and Polacek to take the awards. I added the official comment because I think it is time to move on from the past-not winning the awards our players deserved--beaten by the refs bad calls etc....just trying to make an effort to see all the good that has come to this program....new coaches, new style of play, talented players-it is time to see the good. You can't be a great program or team when you focus on the past and talk about why something did or didn't happen. I don't think this team does that so we should honor them and all stop. What counts is what this program has now and even though this team didn't make it past the first round what this YOUNG (we have 2 juniors that just turned 21 and one that is still 20)team accomplished this year has been exciting and fun to watch. I for one see good things ahead.

Red Cloud
03-16-2010, 03:33 PM
I'm not going to pitch a nutty over it. It's just the way things are. Eventually, you get used to it. Besides, getting upset over something that you have no control over is kind of a glaring characteristic of a certain subset of RPI fans with whom I have had intellectual clashes over the past season.

Jasma
03-16-2010, 03:52 PM
Still going with both DiAmigo and Polacek to take the awards. I added the official comment because I think it is time to move on from the past-not winning the awards our players deserved--beaten by the refs bad calls etc....just trying to make an effort to see all the good that has come to this program....new coaches, new style of play, talented players-it is time to see the good. You can't be a great program or team when you focus on the past and talk about why something did or didn't happen. I don't think this team does that so we should honor them and all stop. What counts is what this program has now and even though this team didn't make it past the first round what this YOUNG (we have 2 juniors that just turned 21 and one that is still 20)team accomplished this year has been exciting and fun to watch. I for one see good things ahead.

Agreed. I think that this team could make a huge leap next season. As I said after the Brown series, I was impressed by the positive attitudes that most posters took in regards to the season. It was frustrating and disappointing that the season ended the way that it did, but most saw the promise of this team and were looking to the future. I like that.

vicb
03-16-2010, 06:35 PM
engineerhockeyfan you forgot to include the championship game score in the ECAC Pick the Playoffs. Please correct. Thanks. And a reminder, only 3 more days to get your picks in.

Ralph Baer
03-17-2010, 01:50 AM
Today is 17 March 2010. There are 205 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 8 October for the start of next season.

Ralph Baer
03-17-2010, 06:48 AM
Hockey's Future thread on D'Amigo's nomination for the ECAC RotY http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=749088.

Ralph Baer
03-17-2010, 12:22 PM
Elliot Olshansky's USCHO article about 10 Hobey Baker possibilities http://www.uscho.com/blogs/hobey-watch/elliot/20100316/making-the-call.html.
Chase Polacek, junior, forward, Rensselaer - When I sized up the contenders a couple of weeks ago, I listed two ECAC Hockey players as “On Solid Ground.” One was Polacek, the other was Yale’s Broc Little. Well, a couple of things happened since I wrote that. One, Both Polacek and Little saw their teams eliminated from the ECAC Hockey playoffs by Brown. Two, Ben Scrivens solidified his hold on a spot. I don’t think there will be three finalists from ECAC Hockey, so somebody’s got to go, and I think it’s Little. Yale’s quarterfinal loss to Brown made a strong case that the absent Sean Backman, not Little, is the key player for Yale, and given that Backman was injured under circumstances that can be charitably described as “ill-advised,” it’s not like he’ll be picking up the votes. On top of that, Little is one reasonably equal part of a very balanced Yale attack, where Polacek was clearly “the man” for RPI, both in terms of overall scoring and in terms of his clutch performance. You will recall that when I calculated “Campellnomics” averages for the nation’s top skaters last month, Polacek led the field with a 1.10 CPPG average. Essentially, that means he could be counted on for one go-ahead goal per game. Little was also among the leaders, but if only one is going in, I’m thinking it’s Polacek.

DrDemento
03-17-2010, 01:30 PM
Elliot Olshansky's USCHO article about 10 Hobey Baker possibilities http://www.uscho.com/blogs/hobey-watch/elliot/20100316/making-the-call.html.

Simply stated Chase deserves to be a finalist. I don't know about winning it all but with the year he had, he should be a finalist. :)

dave29
03-17-2010, 02:29 PM
Today is 17 March 2010. There are 205 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 8 October for the start of next season.

Hey Ralph - Are going to come out to Colorado Springs next October?

Red Cloud
03-17-2010, 02:31 PM
Hey Ralph - Are going to come out to Colorado Springs next October?

Ralph doesn't go anywhere.

Thanks for asking, I'll be there.

dave29
03-17-2010, 02:32 PM
Ralph doesn't go anywhere.

Thanks for asking, I'll be there.

Sorry I didn't mean to leave any other RPI fans out. I just want to meet the king of posting on USCHO! ;)

Ralph Baer
03-17-2010, 04:00 PM
Hey Ralph - Are going to come out to Colorado Springs next October? I am not currently planning to.


Ralph doesn't go anywhere.

Thanks for asking, I'll be there. That's almost true. I did go to Orlando a few years ago.

dave29
03-17-2010, 04:06 PM
I am not currently planning to.

That's almost true. I did go to Orlando a few years ago.

Bummer. Well it will be nice to have RPI come out here. Looking forward to it.

GRussinko
03-17-2010, 04:13 PM
I am not currently planning to.

That's almost true. I did go to Orlando a few years ago.

Don't you mean Tampa? I seem to recall seeing you there. :p

Ralph Baer
03-17-2010, 04:22 PM
Don't you mean Tampa? I seem to recall seeing you there. :p

No wonder that I couldn't find Disney World. :D