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BU Fan 84
03-20-2010, 02:06 AM
While BC's rookie class didn't carry them last year, the rookie class this year has been a HUGE part of their success. Throw in the development of the current sophomore class and you're talking about 12 of BC's 18 skaters tonight.

But we're talking about freshmen, so the development of the sophomores is irrelevant. Samuelsson and Domoulin have been good, but I don't think any of the other freshmen did anything other than add depth - they certainly haven't carried the team. My point is that if BU wants to be better next year, we're going to need more than that from the freshmen and I don't think that's reasonable.

Carmine Scarpaglia
03-20-2010, 06:29 AM
But we're talking about freshmen, so the development of the sophomores is irrelevant. Samuelsson and Domoulin have been good, but I don't think any of the other freshmen did anything other than add depth - they certainly haven't carried the team.

BC's freshmen certainly have helped carry the team. Dumoulin and Samuelsson are ok and the others are only adding depth? You must be smoking something funny. Then again, you haven't actually shown that you know what you're talking about since you started posting. Kreider has helped carry this team down the stretch with huge GWG goals against UMass and UML, and large goals vs. UMass and UVM in the playoffs already (not to mention smoking Nicastro for a big one in the Piszpot that ended up being a 1 goal game). Dumoulin has helped carry this defense - to say that he is phenomenal is an understatement considering he is an 18 yo freshman. Samuelsson has been quite good - there's 33% of your much improved defense with him and Dumoulin. Mullane has been very good all year. Steven Whitney has been making things happen all year and has had a great 2nd half. And Parker Milner has some insane numbers for a freshman goalie in net while pushing Muse to bring of almost losing his starting job.

The freshman class is the reason for BC doing what they're doing this year. They're absolutely carrying BC - especially because of what Kreider and Dumoulin are doing right now.

hockeyfan12
03-20-2010, 06:31 AM
This is app well and good, but if I am a duck front office type, what have I seen from bonino that indicates he is close to being ready to be a regular contributor in the Nhl?

Jacques Joubert
03-20-2010, 06:48 AM
This is app well and good, but if I am a duck front office type, what have I seen from bonino that indicates he is close to being ready to be a regular contributor in the Nhl?

I agree he looked sub par this year.

I'm willing to bet it was his shoulder never came back and he's playing hurt.

OR...he misses Yip and McCarthy.

Yip and McCarthy were the foundation of his line last year. Never afraid to go into the corners and take the hit to get the puck. I imagine that took a lot of heat of Bonino which freed him up a bit?

I think Z. Cohen tried but he doesn't have the speed, passing, or scoring of the other two guys.

Hopefully Jack works some power play practice into the mix next year. Geez, BU actually looked worse with the man advantage than 5-5 the second half of the season. It's nice to pass the puck, but you can't just stand around. Somebody has to move, don't they????

Jacques Joubert
03-20-2010, 06:52 AM
This one was tough to watch because this team's problem all season was working for 60 minutes. They kept saying they realized it and would correct it, then never did.
They didn't have the talent of last year to make up for taking shifts and periods off.

That being said, looking at how much talent we lost from last year's team, making it to the HE semis is not bad.

There are a ton of good, young players who should blossom next year and with the new recruits we could be poised to climb back to the top of the standings.

So who wears the C and the A's next year?

This is a huge leap b/c who knows but...

If Shatt stays he keeps the "C".

Bonino gets an "A"
Warsofsky gets and "A" and is next in line for the "C"
Colby Cohen really seemed to pick up his Defense and I like how he stands up for his teammates so he gets an "A"

Hopefully all these guys are back...

Bomber
03-20-2010, 07:43 AM
Well, we get to watch hockey from here on out, stress free.

#3 is gone.

I think #13 stays.

#25? Who knows.

About the penalties. Isn't this like being a parent? If the bad behavior continues with little consequence, it's not going to stop. So Chiason was benched last night after taking a bad penalty. Where was that action in games 1 thru 38?

BU Hockey: Off Season

defkit
03-20-2010, 07:45 AM
This one was tough to watch because this team's problem all season was working for 60 minutes. They kept saying they realized it and would correct it, then never did.
They didn't have the talent of last year to make up for taking shifts and periods off.



Without knowing it, you have crystalized the concern with coaching of myself and many BU fans. We've had one highly successful season in the last 12, and it took a tremendous amount of talent to get it done. In fact, that team barely got it done. Good coaching should be able to achieve great results without having to be stocked with future NHLers. I am cocnerned that under the current coaching situation, having the most talented team in the country is the only way we can remain among the elites.

Motivation and power play are two specific areas I have concerns with. JP is Mr. BU Hockey and he deserves all th kudos he receives. I just wonder if a Quinn or Sullivan would be able to better connect with this generation. I mean I have trouble connecting with them, and I am 25 years or so younger than Jack!

defkit
03-20-2010, 07:47 AM
OR...he misses Yip and McCarthy.

Yip and McCarthy were the foundation of his line last year. Never afraid to go into the corners and take the hit to get the puck. I imagine that took a lot of heat of Bonino which freed him up a bit?



Great point, although down the stretch, Bonino was driving the success of that line. In the FF, he was immense.

Federal League
03-20-2010, 08:19 AM
I've been saying since Nov. that if Shattenkirk and Bonino both leave (I'm not convinced both are), Warsofsky and Pereira will get Cs and Connolly will get an A.

bantam75
03-20-2010, 08:41 AM
Without knowing it, you have crystalized the concern with coaching of myself and many BU fans. We've had one highly successful season in the last 12, and it took a tremendous amount of talent to get it done. In fact, that team barely got it done. Good coaching should be able to achieve great results without having to be stocked with future NHLers. I am cocnerned that under the current coaching situation, having the most talented team in the country is the only way we can remain among the elites.

Motivation and power play are two specific areas I have concerns with. JP is Mr. BU Hockey and he deserves all the kudos he receives. I just wonder if a Quinn or Sullivan would be able to better connect with this generation. I mean I have trouble connecting with them, and I am 25 years or so younger than Jack!

We should all be more than "concerned". Just watched Parker's post-game comments and it is obvious he is biting his tongue since the team opened up on the coaching staff in January. The fact that the the team did not show up for the first two periods last night is the fault of the COACHING STAFF - plain and simple. That post-game interview sounded like all the others since 2004. The last BU team that really played for Jack and over-achieved was the 2000 team ... then they laid an egg in 2001.

There is no more talent over at BC this year, but they come to play every night from the Beanpot through to March. That was BU's signature under Jack Kelley and then Parker until the end of 1998. Since that melt-down against Mack and UNH they have not been able to finish - except last year and it was only a miracle finish that brought home the prize.

Quinny would have been the guy to hand over the reigns, but he could see Jack was not ready to leave so he bolted. Buddy Powers was not the guy to replace Dave.

This scenario reminds me of MSU with Ron Mason. Mason over-stayed there by at least 5-6 years and the program suffered. They were the best team in 2001 with Miller, but they blew it in the nat'ls. The mark of BU now is their records in 1999, 2001, 2004, 2008 and now 2010.

Parker has always been the candid, frank one who always calls it as he sees it. So when is he going to look in the mirror and tell himself its time? The excuse of the rink/arena is well behind us and the talent flow has been strong. This team easily could have been a top 6 or 7 team this year. Obviously Jack is coming back, but what happens if we see the same thing next year? Jack could have gone out on top after last year, but now he runs the risk of being known more like Ron Mason than his mentor and coach Jack Kelley. Very sad for Jack, but very frustrating to the faithful.

J.D.
03-20-2010, 09:26 AM
There is no more talent over at BC this year

This team easily could have been a top 6 or 7 team this year.

Wow, you actually believe this? I don't think many if any would agree. It's pretty simple to me. Like BC in 2002, BU simply lost too much to graduation and departure to make up for.

3hock
03-20-2010, 09:27 AM
I've been saying since Nov. that if Shattenkirk and Bonino both leave (I'm not convinced both are), Warsofsky and Pereira will get Cs and Connolly will get an A.

Bonino leaves today..... Shat is gone soon..... If Colby gets something he is gone...

Stories
03-20-2010, 09:32 AM
Wow, you actually believe this? I don't think many if any would agree. It's pretty simple to me. Like BC in 2002, BU simply lost too much to graduation and departure to make up for.

This.

Also, BC last year in 2009 had tons of losses from their winning 2008 team to be competitive. Next year we'll be fine.

defkit
03-20-2010, 09:40 AM
Wow, you actually believe this? I don't think many if any would agree. It's pretty simple to me. Like BC in 2002, BU simply lost too much to graduation and departure to make up for.

It's easy to say that now, but go back to the beginning of the season, and what did you think at that point? I think we all agreed that the top spot in HE may have been a little much, but most thought we would still be a top 10 team. The national ROY in goal, two of the best defensemen in all of college hockey (#3 and #5), two top recruits in Chiasson and Nicastro. The only question was depth at forward. We didn't expect most players regressing, the power play to become a joke, and the team to just not look interested on many nights.

I don't mind losing in the semifinals of the HE tournament to a team that is coming on very strong. My disappointment lies in missing the NCAA tournament one year after winning it all. I am concerned that we will slide back into another 10 year funk of not making the FF. I want to be the UND of the east - perhaps some ups and downs during the season, but at the end of the day, a team that makes the NCAAs and often makes the FF.

35 years is a loooooong time. I'm just saying.

Tater
03-20-2010, 09:47 AM
Without knowing it, you have crystalized the concern with coaching of myself and many BU fans. We've had one highly successful season in the last 12, and it took a tremendous amount of talent to get it done. In fact, that team barely got it done. Good coaching should be able to achieve great results without having to be stocked with future NHLers. I am cocnerned that under the current coaching situation, having the most talented team in the country is the only way we can remain among the elites.

Motivation and power play are two specific areas I have concerns with. JP is Mr. BU Hockey and he deserves all th kudos he receives. I just wonder if a Quinn or Sullivan would be able to better connect with this generation. I mean I have trouble connecting with them, and I am 25 years or so younger than Jack!

Agree 100%, except the last sentence. Age of the coach shouldn't necessarily matter. York seems to do fine connecting and he is a year older than Parker.

J.D.
03-20-2010, 09:51 AM
Next year we'll be fine.

I'm not willing to go this far yet due to losses and possible impending departures. BU will need a considerable jump from Chiasson, Megan, and Nicastro along with a freshman class impact like BC is getting this year. That's not a certainty.


I want to be the UND of the east - perhaps some ups and downs during the season, but at the end of the day, a team that makes the NCAAs and often makes the FF.

Sounds a lot like what York has going on ;)

Jofa
03-20-2010, 09:56 AM
There is no more talent over at BC this year, but they come to play every night from the Beanpot through to March. That was BU's signature under Jack Kelley and then Parker until the end of 1998. Since that melt-down against Mack and UNH they have not been able to finish - except last year and it was only a miracle finish that brought home the prize.



You are totally dead on about the feeble one JP but way off on the talent comment. BC is way more talented and for that matter Maine/UNH/UML are also more talented. The BU A "talent" is Warso period. They have no skilled forces on the front lines. Bonnino clearly does well as a compliment with more talented guys but not on his own. CC and VS are borderline 2nd liners. Chaisson and Megan we'll see if they progress, there is some promise there. BU's offense was carried by the dmen all year and 2 of them have a very good chance of being gone.

As for Parker, last year was a perfect example of unintended consequences. They dont win last year and there is alot of heat to remove his underachieving ***, with the NC he bought himself another 10 years and us another 10 years of mediocrity.

northeastern
03-20-2010, 10:15 AM
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..Mookie, look at the bright side.. one really never gambles to win, one gambles.. so they can gamble.. the next day :)

Jofa
03-20-2010, 10:20 AM
:(

Not too much discuss about that abominable performance. I'm content just waiting for the dust to settle from impending departures now.

Who would have thought that the BU hoops season extended longer then the hockey season. The fact that BU has a home hoops game at Case on March 22nd is surreal.

BUT09
03-20-2010, 10:22 AM
Who would have thought that the BU hoops season extended longer then the hockey season. The fact that BU has a home hoops game at Case on March 22nd is surreal.

I was thinking about that this morning. The Basketball team made their championship game and the hockey team didn't. Backwards world.