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Is this a catch-all second-guessing thread?
I was most disappointed with the 5-on-3 play. This was an exciting game, but it'd have been much more thrilling if they could have found a way to convert at some point in 3+ minutes. That's all I'll say.
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Sure, use it as a catch all....but, I really had some questions about this roster going back to last fall, and now that they actually played an actual team, I think the weaknesses are obvious.
But, if such conversation happens to be "the elephant in the room" for now, so be it.....I just think it was THAT obvious.Toe Blake On goalies: "You get four goals off them, or five, but the goal you've got to have to win, somehow the great ones don't let you get it.”
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The power play was terrible...just plain terrible. Bad puck movement, slow...lots of standing around...and NO TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF THE NET!! You were not going to beat that goalie when she could see every shot. That was the game right there [because for the most part, the US girls carried the play]....and Vetter played well, but just not as good as the girl at the other end of the ice.
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Not only that but, the playmaking lacked any real creativity. Most shots were from the perimeter, only fueling the Canadian goalie's legendary status. Kudos to the Lam's, particularly Mo Lam and then also to Hilary Knight for "standout" performances. (it's all relative). Kudos also to Angela, another slight white light for the US.
Meanwhile, I know lots of folks have had the chance to browse this thread but not comment. Is that really indicative of the fact that y'all think the roster was just fine? No second guessing after the fact? Aside from the horrendous power play, I just think there is so much more that's fair game here!Toe Blake On goalies: "You get four goals off them, or five, but the goal you've got to have to win, somehow the great ones don't let you get it.”
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Originally posted by NJCPolarBear View PostThe power play was terrible...just plain terrible. Bad puck movement, slow...lots of standing around...and NO TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF THE NET!! You were not going to beat that goalie when she could see every shot. That was the game right there [because for the most part, the US girls carried the play]....and Vetter played well, but just not as good as the girl at the other end of the ice.
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Originally posted by IceIsNice View PostNot only that but, the playmaking lacked any real creativity. Most shots were from the perimeter, only fueling the Canadian goalie's legendary status. Kudos to the Lam's, particularly Mo Lam and then also to Hilary Knight for "standout" performances. (it's all relative). Kudos also to Angela, another slight white light for the US.
Meanwhile, I know lots of folks have had the chance to browse this thread but not comment. Is that really indicative of the fact that y'all think the roster was just fine? No second guessing after the fact?
I agree with the lack of creativity and PP observations. Thought that lack of creativity was present in the preliminary games to a degree and anticipated that would be an issue v Canada.
The last couple of US Olympic teams seemed to have quite a bit of trouble scoring vs. tougher opponents. I don't quite understand that with the weapons available. I'd have to say some didn't contribute like you'd expect...or like they should have. Canada's 'tender was awesome, but any competitive Olympic team has to be able to score a few...no matter how good the goaltending.Minnesota Hockey
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Originally posted by brookyone View PostThe last couple of US Olympic teams seemed to have quite a bit of trouble scoring vs. tougher opponents. I don't quite understand that with the weapons available. I'd have to say some didn't contribute like you'd expect...or like they should have. Canada's 'tender was awesome, but any competitive Olympic team has to be able to score a few...no matter how good the goaltending.
Also, I may have taken this the wrong way, but I was a little surprised by Darwitz's comments after the game (I didn't see the press conference, just the quick interview after the medal ceremony). For her to blame it on the inexperience/youth of the team when the "older" players didn't get it done either was a little uncalled for from a captain.
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Originally posted by scrambledlegs View PostAlso, I may have taken this the wrong way, but I was a little surprised by Darwitz's comments after the game (I didn't see the press conference, just the quick interview after the medal ceremony). For her to blame it on the inexperience/youth of the team when the "older" players didn't get it done either was a little uncalled for from a captain.Toe Blake On goalies: "You get four goals off them, or five, but the goal you've got to have to win, somehow the great ones don't let you get it.”
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Originally posted by scrambledlegs View PostI agree, especially as another posted noted, the number of shots 1 on 1 from the perimeter, with no one else in the zone. The only thing that did was artificially inflate the shot total. I was also surprised by the number of dangles I saw attempted in the offensive zone. Really?? Against Canada?
Also, I may have taken this the wrong way, but I was a little surprised by Darwitz's comments after the game (I didn't see the press conference, just the quick interview after the medal ceremony). For her to blame it on the inexperience/youth of the team when the "older" players didn't get it done either was a little uncalled for from a captain.
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Did anyone else (besides Hux) notice that some of USA's players looked like their skates were bad? Cahow looked like she was on roller blades at times - pushing hard to no avail. USA spent a lot of time on falling and diving too - sure at times desperate attempts to block passes or clear pucks, but it seemed like something was affecting their skating.
I don't have any real issues with the roster - there will always be some debate, but unless it's among the coaching staff, it's just more wasted breath.
I think if I were at the helm, I'd have spent the first break looking at film from the first period (maybe they did). There were a lot of unforced turnovers - long distance tekegraphed passes, and chums up the middle of the defensive zone to the awaiting Mapleleaf, and faceoffs lost (This may just be my perception, as I haven't seen the stats).
The PK was extrememly passive, and although they didn't give up goals, they didn't keep Canada on their toes and threaten counterattck, as they have done successfully in the past. All in all reflective of a very conservatively played USA game.
Ruggerio impressed me yesterday, as did Marvin. It seemed however, like the shifts were WAY too long, and the bench too short in the third, when all those players have proven capable at theis level. Especially with all the special teams, it's too bad the same players were on the ice constantly in the third.
I have to agree that Canada's playing in the men's league gave them an advantage - they didn't waste time looking for a perfect shot or pass- they took what they had and made it work. And it did.
I think there is still a strong nucleus of players that will be reappearing in 2014. The Lamy's, Duggan, Knight, Lawler, Stack, Marvin, Weiland, Chesson, Engstrom, Bellamy are all young and had a solid series.
In addition, Coyne will be 4 years better, as well as Kessel and some of the other soon to be unleashed on the college ranks up and comers. That's just to name a few, and I haven't mentioned current college players - Buesser, Horn, Bozek, Cardella, Dempsey, et al, as well as the crop that comes up through the U-18 system.
Four years is an eternity."A ROCK BAND IS NOT A PERFECT DEMOCRACY. IT'S LIKE A SPORTS TEAM. NO ONE CAN DO WITHOUT THE OTHER, BUT EVERYBODY DOESN'T GET TO TOUCH THE BALL ALL THE TIME." Don Henley
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Just a couple of additional thoughts:
The score was 2-0, and Poulin scored both. The first one, any mens team would be proud of. A great pass and one timer, a tremendous blast that Vetter had no chance on. The second one, a lost faceoff, a bit of a lucky bounce, and another very quick and accurate release. I'm sure Vetter thinks she could have played that one differently, but she made plenty of other great saves that most goalies wouldn't have made. You certainly can't blame the goaltending for the defeat.
Coming into the game I was a bit worried about the USA's defense, specifically turnovers and not being able to make good outlet passes or even clear the zone when facing the kind of pressure the Canadians would surely mount. But I was pleasantly surprised with their overall defensive play. Again, Canada's goals came on a tremendous pass and one-time blast, and a lost faceoff (which for the most part WAS a problem for the Americans throughout the game).
In addition to the already-mentioned ineffective power play, the main issues, in my opinion, were poor shot selection and shooting accuracy. USA's hardest and best shots missed the net, and far too many other good chances went high on the glove side, leaving no chance for a rebound. On several occasions when they able to work the puck around for a close-in opportunity, a forward would take too long to get the shot off, allowing the goaltender to get square to the puck. Kudos to her, but to me it looked like the majority of the shots the USA took made her job easier than it should have been. To win you need to find ways to create goals, which in this game the USA was unable to do.Last edited by D2D; 02-26-2010, 09:05 AM.Minnesota Golden Gopher Hockey
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Originally posted by scrambledlegs View PostAlso, I may have taken this the wrong way, but I was a little surprised by Darwitz's comments after the game (I didn't see the press conference, just the quick interview after the medal ceremony). For her to blame it on the inexperience/youth of the team when the "older" players didn't get it done either was a little uncalled for from a captain.
The game from the 30 minute mark on reminded me of the old saying "The hurrieder I go, the hurrieder I get.""A ROCK BAND IS NOT A PERFECT DEMOCRACY. IT'S LIKE A SPORTS TEAM. NO ONE CAN DO WITHOUT THE OTHER, BUT EVERYBODY DOESN'T GET TO TOUCH THE BALL ALL THE TIME." Don Henley
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Originally posted by scrambledlegs View Post
Also, I may have taken this the wrong way, but I was a little surprised by Darwitz's comments after the game (I didn't see the press conference, just the quick interview after the medal ceremony). For her to blame it on the inexperience/youth of the team when the "older" players didn't get it done either was a little uncalled for from a captain.
What is it they say about those who live in glass houses...
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Originally posted by IceIsNice View PostHmmmmmmmmmm..........
You should be ashamed of yourself for even starting a topic like this. The 2010 team is a great team. Ask yourself one question. "Would I have started this topic if we had won the gold" Congratulations to a great USA team, and hats off to Canada on their victory
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