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Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs
Here's the thing...lets say for the sake of the discussion that RIT had 1 or 2 more losses in conference, say to Sacred Heart or AFA and for whatever reason didn't win the AHA regular season title, but they went out and swept the out of conference schedule, but lost in the AHA final to the winner of the conference. Their first avenue to the NCAA's would be closed (the autobid). They would still likely have a shot at an at large and could get in that way (and doing the math it would be close)...remember, the ultimate goal is to get to the NCAA's. And you want to give yourself as many avenues as you can to do it. Winning the AHA regular season title has ZERO bearing ultimately in terms of getting to the NCAA's...yes, you have to have a very good in conference record, no question...however, a excellent out of conference record, coupled with a VERY good conference record gives you ultimately 2 shots at the goal, as opposed to 1, should you fail to get the auto-bid.
I can't see how anyone would consider one of the potential avenues to the NCAA as meaningless. That makes no sense, especially in light of the fact that everyone seems to be in agreement that the goal is to get to the NCAA tournament. Why would you completely ignore one of the avenues to get there? Nevermind the other factors regarding a successful out of conference record that we have already discussed.
Originally posted by RITProf
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If it is true that RIT would be 4th in the PWR and stay there with a loss in the AHA tournament, then yes I would rethink it. I'm not going to run the numbers myself, but that would be quite a surprise.
However, I doubt that would be true if any significant numbers of AHA losses were added and if it weren't strong enough to keep us in an at large spot with a loss in the AHA playoffs (a la Bemidji), then I stick to what I said. (And you can't say the 4th in the PWR would hold, because it is not just RIT games that could have different results ... it's all speculation. E.g. if other AHA teams lost key OOC games then RIT's PWR would drop, etc.)
In the long run, I agree on the whole OOC win thing being good and what is needed to elevate the league and maybe move on to another league. For this year, I'll stick with pretty **** close to meaningless. You are fooling yourself if you think an NCAA bid is "FAR more worthless". And RIT probably also wouldn't be ranked at all with a 6-0 OOC record and a poor showing in your supposedly "FAR more worthless" league standings.
Where we agree, I think, is that it would be nice to see the OOC schedule strong enough (and the league overall strong enough) that at-large bids for one or two AHA teams can be sewn up before the playoffs (again, see Bemidji and several others). At that point, I would obviously not say they are meaningless.
Also, if we get another OOC game this year ... that one won't be meaningless (and all the rest will be even moreso).
Perhaps it is your butt that has issues???
However, I doubt that would be true if any significant numbers of AHA losses were added and if it weren't strong enough to keep us in an at large spot with a loss in the AHA playoffs (a la Bemidji), then I stick to what I said. (And you can't say the 4th in the PWR would hold, because it is not just RIT games that could have different results ... it's all speculation. E.g. if other AHA teams lost key OOC games then RIT's PWR would drop, etc.)
In the long run, I agree on the whole OOC win thing being good and what is needed to elevate the league and maybe move on to another league. For this year, I'll stick with pretty **** close to meaningless. You are fooling yourself if you think an NCAA bid is "FAR more worthless". And RIT probably also wouldn't be ranked at all with a 6-0 OOC record and a poor showing in your supposedly "FAR more worthless" league standings.
Where we agree, I think, is that it would be nice to see the OOC schedule strong enough (and the league overall strong enough) that at-large bids for one or two AHA teams can be sewn up before the playoffs (again, see Bemidji and several others). At that point, I would obviously not say they are meaningless.
Also, if we get another OOC game this year ... that one won't be meaningless (and all the rest will be even moreso).
Perhaps it is your butt that has issues???
I can't see how anyone would consider one of the potential avenues to the NCAA as meaningless. That makes no sense, especially in light of the fact that everyone seems to be in agreement that the goal is to get to the NCAA tournament. Why would you completely ignore one of the avenues to get there? Nevermind the other factors regarding a successful out of conference record that we have already discussed.
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