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  • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

    I know Ralph won't believe this until they fly it on a flag over Parliament in Ottawa, but the Kingston site says early, unconfirmed indications are that the series vs. Trenton will start Sunday in Kingston. .


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    • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

      To make you happy WS , although
      The early indication is that the series could start on Sunday in Kingston, go back to Trenton on Tuesday, Kingston on Thursday and Trenton on Friday, but none of those are confirmed. Stay tuned to the Vees website, local media outlets and the OJAHL website for the complete official schedule once it has been released.
      doesn't sound definite.
      Code:
      2010
      Jacob Laliberté        C Cornwall Colts (CJHL)        48-58-45-103- 32 03/04/10
      Brock Higgs           LW Kingston Voyageurs (OJAHL)   48-22-34- 56- 82
                               Playoffs                      5- 1- 4-  5-  4 03/07/10
                               Total                        53-23-38- 61- 86
      Matt Tinordi          LW Olds Grizzlys (AJHL)         59-23-22- 45- 69
                               Playoffs                      3- 0- 1-  1-  2 season over
                               Total                        62-23-23- 46- 71
      Nick Bailen           RD Indiana Ice (USHL)           45-12-21- 33- 58 03/05/10
      Guy Leboeuf           LD Cornwall Colts (CJHL)        60- 8-18- 26- 64 03/04/10
      Nick Quinn            LD Aurora Tigers (OJAHL)        10- 2- 7-  9-  6
                               Orangeville Crushers (CCHL)  27- 5- 6- 11- 20
                               Playoffs                      0- 0- 0-  0-  0 season over    
                               Total                        37- 7-13- 20- 26
      Greg Burgdoerfer      RW not playing                   0- 0- 0-  0-  0
      
      2010 or 2011
      Luke Curadi           LD Penticton Vees (BCHL)        58- 7-10- 17- 98
                               Playoffs                      4- 0- 1-  1- 11 03/09/10
                               Total                        62- 7-11- 18-109
      2011
      Patrick Koudys        LD Burlington Cougars (CCHL)    50- 5-28- 33- 42
                               Playoffs                      8- 0- 1-  1- 16 TBD
                               Total                        58- 5-29- 34- 58
      
      
      2010 women
      Toni Sanders           F Susquehanna Rapids U19 Red   34-53- 9- 62- 38 03/06/10 missing game
                               West York HS Boys Team       18-27-19- 46-  ? 0?/??/10 missing game
                               Total                        52-80-28-108-  ?
      Missy Mankey           F Hopkins HS Minnetonka MN     30-15- 9- 24- 24 0?/??/10 missing game
      Jordan Smelker        LW Team Alaska U19              24-15-16- 31-  6 03/13/10
      Madison Marzario      RD Shattuck St Mary's           20- 1- 9- 10- 48 03/05/10 missing 2 games
      Last edited by Ralph Baer; 03-04-2010, 03:57 AM.
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      • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

        Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
        To make you happy WS , althoughdoesn't sound definite.
        Code:
        2010
        Jacob Laliberté        C Cornwall Colts (CJHL)        48-58-45-103- 32 03/04/10
        Brock Higgs           LW Kingston Voyageurs (OJAHL)   48-22-34- 56- 82
                                 Playoffs                      5- 1- 4-  5-  4 03/07/10
                                 Total                        53-23-38- 61- 86
        Matt Tinordi          LW Olds Grizzlys (AJHL)         59-23-22- 45- 69
                                 Playoffs                      3- 0- 1-  1-  2 season over
                                 Total                        62-23-23- 46- 71
        Nick Bailen           RD Indiana Ice (USHL)           45-12-21- 33- 58 03/05/10
        Guy Leboeuf           LD Cornwall Colts (CJHL)        60- 8-18- 26- 64 03/04/10
        Nick Quinn            LD Aurora Tigers (OJAHL)        10- 2- 7-  9-  6
                                 Orangeville Crushers (CCHL)  27- 5- 6- 11- 20
                                 Playoffs                      0- 0- 0-  0-  0 season over    
                                 Total                        37- 7-13- 20- 26
        Greg Burgdoerfer      RW not playing                   0- 0- 0-  0-  0
        
        2010 or 2011
        Luke Curadi           LD Penticton Vees (BCHL)        58- 7-10- 17- 98
                                 Playoffs                      4- 0- 1-  1- 11 03/09/10
                                 Total                        62- 7-11- 18-109
        2011
        Patrick Koudys        LD Burlington Cougars (CCHL)    50- 5-28- 33- 42
                                 Playoffs                      8- 0- 1-  1- 16 TBD
                                 Total                        58- 5-29- 34- 58
        
        
        2010 women
        Toni Sanders           F Susquehanna Rapids U19 Red   34-53- 9- 62- 38 03/06/10 mssing game
                                 West York HS Boys Team       18-27-19- 46-  ? 0?/??/10 missing game
                                 Total                        52-80-28-108-  ?
        Missy Mankey           F Hopkins HS Minnetonka MN     30-15- 9- 24- 24 0?/??/10 missing game
        Jordan Smelker        LW Team Alaska U19              24-15-16- 31-  6 03/13/10
        Madison Marzario      RD Shattuck St Mary's           20- 1- 9- 10- 48 03/05/10 missing 2 games
        Implied asterisk so noted RB.
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        • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

          Originally posted by Wicked Slappaahs View Post
          Heisenberg also has Nick Quinn at #3. Quinn appears to have been a healthy scratch (I have found nothing reporting on injury) down the stretch for Orangeville and and he never set foot on the ice in the playoffs. The last time I saw his name in a box score I think was 1/25/10.

          I don't at all mean to knock Quinn - I'm very glad he's ours..but I wonder how current H's rankings are...and whether he has revisited them lately.
          I think there's as little indicating that he is a healthy scratch as there is about him being injured. Are there any reports out of Orangeville that ever discussed injuries to anybody on the team (particularly since Quinn has been out)?

          Heisenberg doesn't revise his rankings because they are neither comprehensive nor objective, but they are good to use as a rule of thumb.

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          • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

            Originally posted by knsmith View Post
            I think there's as little indicating that he is a healthy scratch as there is about him being injured. Are there any reports out of Orangeville that ever discussed injuries to anybody on the team (particularly since Quinn has been out)?

            Heisenberg doesn't revise his rankings because they are neither comprehensive nor objective, but they are good to use as a rule of thumb.
            Yes to the first point. I found nothing at all on line.

            As to the second, he sometimes revises the order from year to year among the players who remain. IIRC, however, Cross wasn't even listed until he committed to PC.
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            • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

              Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
              Agreed. Tyler Tosunion (sp?) for one.
              Pembroke's #2-4 scorers have 271 points, Cornwall's have 197.

              I have little doubt that JL could have put up numbers every bit as impressive as Cross' (particularly given JL's inability to rack up big assist totals on Cornwall) despite being a year and a half younger than Cross.

              While I am surprised that Heisenberg has Cross as low as he does, I don't think anybody really missed the boat by not recruiting him.

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              • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

                Originally posted by knsmith View Post
                I think there's as little indicating that he is a healthy scratch as there is about him being injured. Are there any reports out of Orangeville that ever discussed injuries to anybody on the team (particularly since Quinn has been out)?

                Heisenberg doesn't revise his rankings because they are neither comprehensive nor objective, but they are good to use as a rule of thumb.
                If memory serves Quinn last played in a game in January. I'll stand corrected, but I don't think he saw action after that.

                My larger concern with Quinn is that he lost so much ice time... between switching teams after his father resigned in Aurora...and then healthy or not, no ice time down the stretch for the Crushers.
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                • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

                  Originally posted by Wicked Slappaahs View Post
                  If memory serves Quinn last played in a game in January. I'll stand corrected, but I don't think he saw action after that.

                  My larger concern with Quinn is that he lost so much ice time... between switching teams after his father resigned in Aurora...and then no ice time down the stretch for the Crushers.
                  We're not arguing about when Quinn last played. We're arguing about whether he is injured. To me, when a team's top-scoring defenseman doesn't play for over a month (with no exceptions) it looks like injury.

                  The ONLY evidence to the contrary in any way is the fact that in the game prior to January 25, Quinn apparently had a bad giveaway that led to a breakaway goal.

                  Let me reiterate, though: Quinn was the team's top-scoring defenseman and arguably top NHL prospect. I have to think that he is injured.
                  Last edited by knsmith; 03-03-2010, 02:08 PM.

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                  • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

                    Originally posted by knsmith View Post
                    We're not arguing about when Quinn last played. We're arguing about whether he is injured. To me, when a team's top-scoring defenseman doesn't play for over a month (with no exceptions) it looks like injury.

                    The ONLY evidence to the contrary in any way is the fact that in the game prior to January 25, Quinn apparently had a bad giveaway that led to a breakaway goal.

                    Let me reiterate, though: Quinn was the team's top-scoring defenseman and arguably top NHL prospect. I have to think that he is injured.
                    Regardless of why he didn't play, the lack of ice time hurts him, IMO.
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                    • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

                      Originally posted by Wicked Slappaahs View Post
                      Regardless of why he didn't play, the lack of ice time hurts him, IMO.
                      I agree that more ice time would be better than less, but I'm not overly concerned about it. He'll be by a long shot our youngest defenseman next year (Bergin: RS Soph, Bailen: RS Soph, Curadi: a year older than Quinn, LeBoeuf: year and a half older, Brutlag/Kennedy/Foss: all seniors) so my expectations for him were going to be limited despite Heisenberg's lofty rating. I don't think we were going to ask him to step in and contribute right away anyways.

                      He really only missed about 10 possible games, given Orangeville's early playoff exit. He's grown up playing probably 80 games per year on average for the past 10 years, so I'm not especially concerned about him missing a dozen or so games down the stretch in the grand scheme of things.

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                      • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

                        Originally posted by knsmith View Post
                        I agree that more ice time would be better than less, but I'm not overly concerned about it. He'll be by a long shot our youngest defenseman next year (Bergin: RS Soph, Bailen: RS Soph, Curadi: a year older than Quinn, LeBoeuf: year and a half older, Brutlag/Kennedy/Foss: all seniors) so my expectations for him were going to be limited despite Heisenberg's lofty rating. I don't think we were going to ask him to step in and contribute right away anyways.

                        He really only missed about 10 possible games, given Orangeville's early playoff exit. He's grown up playing probably 80 games per year on average for the past 10 years, so I'm not especially concerned about him missing a dozen or so games down the stretch in the grand scheme of things.
                        I agree, but there is a question as to why he didn't play. If he was sick or injured (assuming not truly serious), it's not a problem. If he was a healthy scratch, the question is why?
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                        • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

                          Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
                          I agree, but there is a question as to why he didn't play. If he was sick or injured (assuming not truly serious), it's not a problem. If he was a healthy scratch, the question is why?
                          Like I said, the only indication that we have of his play is that article from before he stopped playing where it said he made a bad giveaway that led to a goal. If he got benched for that, after being the team's leading scorer, without being given a chance to redeem himself, that says a lot more about the coach than the player. (the same coach who led the team to a terrible run heading into the playoffs - starting roughly when Quinn got benched/hurt - and a timid exit from the playoffs)

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                          • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

                            Originally posted by knsmith View Post
                            Like I said, the only indication that we have of his play is that article from before he stopped playing where it said he made a bad giveaway that led to a goal. If he got benched for that, after being the team's leading scorer, without being given a chance to redeem himself, that says a lot more about the coach than the player. (the same coach who led the team to a terrible run heading into the playoffs - starting roughly when Quinn got benched/hurt - and a timid exit from the playoffs)
                            If he was benched for a giveaway, it would have been for a game or two at most.
                            You don't punish your top scoring defenseman for the rest of the year for a giveaway.
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                            • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

                              Originally posted by engineerhockeyfan View Post
                              If he was benched for a giveaway, it would have been for a game or two at most.
                              You don't punish your top scoring defenseman for the rest of the year for a giveaway.
                              JMO
                              I agree, more evidence that he must be hurt.

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                              • Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

                                Originally posted by engineerhockeyfan View Post
                                If he was benched for a giveaway, it would have been for a game or two at most.
                                You don't punish your top scoring defenseman for the rest of the year for a giveaway.
                                JMO
                                On what basis was Quinn Orangeville's top scoring defenseman? He was not their top scorer either by points or points per game. http://orangeville.stats.pointstreak...&seasonid=4693 Was I supposed to include his stats before he signed with Orangeville?
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