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bigblue_dl
10-28-2009, 08:56 PM
Huskies sweep.
Whatever, UCONN sucks.

The Rube
10-28-2009, 09:16 PM
rice burners = lame

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(even though my Chevy-loving bro is now a Hyundai mechanic)


I'm driving a Jeep. It is far from huge or truck.:)

Truth. Although the gas mileage still sucks. Yay for a 10-mile commute, which is one reason I went for a vehicle I've always loved. :)

bigblue_dl
10-28-2009, 09:20 PM
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(even though my Chevy-loving bro is now a Hyundai mechanic)



Truth. Although the gas mileage still sucks. Yay for a 10-mile commute, which is one reason I went for a vehicle I've always loved. :)
My 2 minute walk commute makes me really not give 2 ****s about my fuel mileage.

The Rube
10-28-2009, 09:23 PM
My 2 minute walk commute makes me really not give 2 ****s about my fuel mileage.

If I had that, The Fifth wouldn't even have 70K on it. :eek:

state of hockey
10-28-2009, 10:00 PM
Oh, and I drive a 2000 Nissan Altima GXE. It's a manual with 127,000 miles. It's one of those rice burners that was built in Tennessee. I never knew they had so many rice paddies in Tennessee.

Exactly. My Uncle was giving me crap about driving a Japanese car. I let him know that it was built in Ohio, looked around his Ford and gave him crap about driving a Canadian one.

Beer Pong Horn
10-28-2009, 10:14 PM
Exactly. My Uncle was giving me crap about driving a Japanese car. I let him know that it was built in Ohio, looked around his Ford and gave him crap about driving a Canadian one.

Hell, I'd mock you for driving a car built in Ohio. :p

...except that my Jeep was built in Toledo. :o

bigblue_dl
10-28-2009, 10:40 PM
My truck was built in Mexico, I'd rather have the Mexicans built it down there than come up here to build it.

The Incredible Gulk
10-28-2009, 11:40 PM
It all depends on what you're doing to that 302. What are your plans?

I plan on just getting it in to start with, then when I get the money start adding power. I want to port the heads, put in a drag cam, Edelbrock carb, MSD ignition, and some Hooker headers. The list goes on, but I feel thats a good start. I would like to keep it a daily driver, but still be able to get up and go.

Eventually I would like to go race it for fun on weekends if I can.

St. Clown
10-28-2009, 11:52 PM
Theoretically a manual and an automatic with the same engine will have the same towing capacity, since torque and power are the same. Then you get into gear ratios, which if both have the same ratios/amount of gears, they are also exactly the same. The only thing I could think of that might make a manual have a lower towing capacity than an auto is simply manufacturers rating them lower.

Occasionally you'll see trucks with manuals are only offered with a lower power rating, this is because they are de-rated because manuals put the power to the ground better than an auto. Since autos have a torque converter they lag under acceleration while under load, meaning that if you have a huge load on, you can put the pedal to the floor, the engine will rev high, but you will still accelerate slow. Manuals on the other hand will take off as fast as the engine will allow it, if you put the pedal to the floor in the same situation the manual truck will accelerate at the same rate as the engine speed (unless you ride the clutch...).

Overall, I would much rather have a manual for towing, especially when they come with the same power rating as the auto.
This explanation is a little surprising to me. I just tinker with my cars, but obviously don't have the extensive experience. It does make me wonder why so many of the manufacturers sell their towing packages with automatic transmissions only.

The Rube
10-29-2009, 12:03 AM
This explanation is a little surprising to me. I just tinker with my cars, but obviously don't have the extensive experience. It does make me wonder why so many of the manufacturers sell their towing packages with automatic transmissions only.

I'm guessing here, but I am thinking that more people drive autos than manuals. So, touting the towing power + "MORE POWER!!!1!!!11!!!" concept would be more profitable if they tell the automatic-driving people that yes, that power comes in automatic.

Beer Pong Horn
10-29-2009, 12:07 AM
This explanation is a little surprising to me. I just tinker with my cars, but obviously don't have the extensive experience. It does make me wonder why so many of the manufacturers sell their towing packages with automatic transmissions only.

Two other things bb_dl didn't mention, but that are also at play:
-an automatic transmission is designed to slip without damage, where drivetrains with a stick shift will either break something or slip the clutch.
-torque converters in automatic transmissions multiply the amount of torque to the rear wheels when stopped, thus (theoretically) giving the truck more available starting power and allowing the engine to get into its powerband more quickly. With a strong enough drivetrain, one can do this by dumping the clutch on a stick shift too :D

You can find beefy manual transmissions, but they're rare since automatics are usually strong enough, especially those with supplementary fluid coolers.

The Rube
10-29-2009, 12:14 AM
Two other things bb_dl didn't mention, but that are also at play:
-an automatic transmission is designed to slip without damage, where drivetrains with a stick shift will either break something or slip the clutch.
-torque converters in automatic transmissions multiply the amount of torque to the rear wheels when stopped, thus (theoretically) giving the truck more available starting power and allowing the engine to get into its powerband more quickly. With a strong enough drivetrain, one can do this by dumping the clutch on a stick shift too :D

You can find beefy manual transmissions, but they're rare since automatics are usually strong enough, especially those with supplementary fluid coolers.

Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things?

Slap Shot
10-29-2009, 04:53 AM
Oh, and I drive a 2000 Nissan Altima GXE. It's a manual with 127,000 miles. It's one of those rice burners that was built in Tennessee.


(even though my Chevy-loving bro is now a Hyundai mechanic)

A rice burner isn't necessarily a Japanese car, it's typically a smaller Japanese car driven by wannabe street racers that have 'souped' it up with spoilers, tinted windows, etc., etc., etc.

Flashy Man
10-29-2009, 06:52 AM
A rice burner isn't necessarily a Japanese car, it's typically a smaller Japanese car driven by wannabe street racers that have 'souped' it up with spoilers, tinted windows, etc., etc., etc.

One time when I was working as a courier I was driving a Dodge Caravan that had nearly bald tires and over 150k miles on it a Ricer Honda pulled up beside me at a stop light. He proceeded to rev his engine, so I revved the Caravan. When the light turned green hit slammed the gas, so I did too. That guy looked so depressed when the POS Caravan beat his Honda to the next light.

manurespreader
10-29-2009, 07:11 AM
I tow horses all over and I'll take an automatic any time. Especially going up the hill in Covington, Ky, on I-75.Oh, and an American P.U. will out-tow a foreign made one all to ...
and don't give me that bs of a honda being american, it's not.:)

Boosh
10-29-2009, 08:04 AM
and don't give me that bs of a honda being american, it's not.:)

Neither is a Saturn made in Germany with Saturn badges slapped on, or a Ponticrack made in Australia with Ponticrack badges ;)

My Subaru was made in Indiana, at least American workers got to put it together :p

bigblue_dl
10-29-2009, 08:11 AM
This explanation is a little surprising to me. I just tinker with my cars, but obviously don't have the extensive experience. It does make me wonder why so many of the manufacturers sell their towing packages with automatic transmissions only.
I'm guessing that is because most people would rather drive an automatic. Really it is just personal preferance at this point, since automatic transmissions are built well enough now that they should never have a problem towing.

BPH: I drive a diesel, if I'm towing I don't want my engine reving up, all of my torque is at low engine speeds. For gas-powered trucks, yes, that reving would put you in the power-band.

Yeah, foreign trucks can't tow worth ****. First off, none of them even make a truck that I'd actually call a 3/4 ton, much less a 1-ton. None offer diesels...

My dad has fairly new Chevy with 6.0 and auto that he uses for towing, cattle mostly. He was hauling large hay bales out of the field using a flat-bed gooseneck trailer. When he was loaded down, about 24,000 lbs, he couldn't get the truck to move, he put the pedal to the floor and the engine just revved, torque converter slipped. He had to have someone push the back of the trailer with the tractor to get started.:rolleyes:

Dirty
10-29-2009, 08:15 AM
Yeah, foreign trucks can't tow worth ****.



My dad has fairly new Chevy......he couldn't get the truck to move

I didn't realize Chevy was now foreign.

bigblue_dl
10-29-2009, 08:21 AM
I didn't realize Chevy was now foreign.
I'm not a big fan of Chevy either...
Their diesels, Duramax, are Isuzu engines. They try to keep that on the down-low.

wolverineTrumpet
10-29-2009, 08:38 AM
Did you call it an MX5 in hopes that the guys here wouldn't immediately know he's racing a Miata?
I called it an MX5 'cause that's what he races. He used to race Miatas...built and owned his own. Sure it was a Miata, but they are cheap and good to drive.



That is nice.

One of my friends tracks an Miata. (screw this MX5 bs) He has fun with it. He loves how some idiots bring out their 2008 Chargers and 2000 Camaro Z28's and are just completely confused as to why they were just destroyed by Evos and Miatas.
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