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Puck Swami
09-30-2009, 03:35 PM
Players are coming to the University of North Dakota, and that isn't changing. It's an iconic hockey program because of the passion, the history of success, the coaches, the arena, the fans and the school. Sure the logo and nickname are nice bonusues, but it the UND brand is more than strong enough to thrive without them.

In fact, I think losing the nickname may be a net positive for UND, since the brand focus will be on the University name, and not just the nickname.

If I were UND, I wouldn't even bother creating a new nickname.

Let it be North Dakota.

ScoobyDoo
09-30-2009, 03:38 PM
Players are coming to the University of North Dakota, and that isn't changing. It's an iconic hockey program because of the passion, the history of success, the coaches, the arena, the fans and the school. Sure the logo and nickname are nice bonusues, but it the UND brand is more than strong enough to thrive without them.

In fact, I think losing the nickname may be a net positive for UND, since the brand focus will be on the University name, and not just the nickname.

If I were UND, I wouldn't even bother creating a new nickname.

Let it be North Dakota.

I agree with that. I wouldn't do a nickname either. Screw the NCAA.

Mike Rane
09-30-2009, 07:55 PM
Players are coming to the University of North Dakota, and that isn't changing. It's an iconic hockey program because of the passion, the history of success, the coaches, the arena, the fans and the school. Sure the logo and nickname are nice bonusues, but it the UND brand is more than strong enough to thrive without them.

In fact, I think losing the nickname may be a net positive for UND, since the brand focus will be on the University name, and not just the nickname.

If I were UND, I wouldn't even bother creating a new nickname.

Let it be North Dakota.

Well said, Swami. :cool:

Sloe Gin
09-30-2009, 09:29 PM
Players are coming to the University of North Dakota, and that isn't changing. It's an iconic hockey program because of the passion, the history of success, the coaches, the arena, the fans and the school. Sure the logo and nickname are nice bonusues, but it the UND brand is more than strong enough to thrive without them.

In fact, I think losing the nickname may be a net positive for UND, since the brand focus will be on the University name, and not just the nickname.

If I were UND, I wouldn't even bother creating a new nickname.

Let it be North Dakota.

thanks for the insight, Swam. :)

SCSU Euro
09-30-2009, 11:52 PM
I agree with that. I wouldn't do a nickname either. Screw the NCAA.

"Let's Go ______! Let's Go _______!"

SiouxFanatic
10-01-2009, 02:53 AM
Charlie Murphy has defeated Standing Rock Tribal Chairman Ron His Horse is Thunder. Charlie Murphy is a proponent of keeping the Sioux nickname.

This keeps hopes of retaining the "Fighting Sioux" nickname alive while it is still just a small piece of the puzzle. Definitely can set things in motion at Standing Rock though. Now the State Board of Higher Education needs to extend the deadline for the UND nickname/logo resolution in order to give the new council time to get any possible vote done.

This will be decided today(Thursday) via teleconference at 9:30AM

jdr1
10-01-2009, 07:03 AM
Charlie Murphy has defeated Standing Rock Tribal Chairman Ron His Horse is Thunder. Charlie Murphy is a proponent of keeping the Sioux nickname.

This keeps hopes of retaining the "Fighting Sioux" nickname alive while it is still just a small piece of the puzzle. Definitely can set things in motion at Standing Rock though. Now the State Board of Higher Education needs to extend the deadline for the UND nickname/logo resolution in order to give the new council time to get any possible vote done.

This will be decided today(Thursday) via teleconference at 9:30AM

What did RHHT lose buy do you know?

HarleyMC
10-01-2009, 07:31 AM
Standing Rock Voting Results (http://www.kfgo.com/news_Detail.php?ID=9285)

Surprised to 73 year old AIM activist Clyde Bellencourt (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-nd-fightingsiouxnick,0,3126490.story) involved in the protest drama. Protesters are obviously pulling him in at the last minute in an attempt to squelch any potential for the NDBHE to change the deadline. A 9:30am decision and it looks like it will go down to the wire folks. I'm pulling for renegotiations.

HoosierBBall_GopherHockey
10-01-2009, 10:12 AM
For once in my life, I'm pulling for UND to win something: keeping their sweet nickname.

Sloe Gin
10-01-2009, 11:13 AM
Deadline extended!!!!

Yay!!!! (http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/135572)

UND85
10-01-2009, 11:14 AM
"Let's Go ______! Let's Go _______!"

The State Board of Higher Education today extended its deadline for UND's Fighting Sioux nickname to Oct. 31.This would give the Standing Rock tribe time to tell the board if it intends to issue a referendum, according to board members.

The deadline is one the state-imposed on itself to win approval for the nickname from the state's two Sioux tribes, which is a condition of the settlement with the NCAA. The NCAA considers American Indian nicknames to be derogatory.

The official deadline according to the settlement is February 2010, but the board moved it up so UND could apply to join the Summit League earlier. If no tribal approval comes, UND would have until November to transition out of the nickname.

So far, Spirit Lake voters and its Tribal Council have approved of the nickname. The Standing Rock tribe has not voted and its Tribal Council have refused a referendum. A new council is in place after elections on Wednesday.

HarleyMC
10-01-2009, 12:43 PM
This could be the break UND needed.:)

Roben
10-01-2009, 01:07 PM
This could be the break UND needed.:)

It's a 2 month long OT!

Oct 31 deadline for SR to say what they are going to do
Nov 30 deadline for referendum vote if they choose to do that.
SR Council takes office Oct 14th.

siouxforeverbaby
10-01-2009, 02:58 PM
What did RHHT lose buy do you know?

64%-Murphy and 36% - RHHT according to the Herald's website.

ecbrevik
10-01-2009, 03:02 PM
Charlie Murphy has defeated Standing Rock Tribal Chairman Ron His Horse is Thunder. Charlie Murphy is a proponent of keeping the Sioux nickname.

This keeps hopes of retaining the "Fighting Sioux" nickname alive while it is still just a small piece of the puzzle. Definitely can set things in motion at Standing Rock though. Now the State Board of Higher Education needs to extend the deadline for the UND nickname/logo resolution in order to give the new council time to get any possible vote done.

This will be decided today(Thursday) via teleconference at 9:30AM
I was at Prairie Knights casino a couple of weeks ago. Its amazing how many Native Americans I saw there wearing UND Sioux clothing.

PCM
10-01-2009, 04:26 PM
Here are some key comments from Richie Smith, chairman of the North Dakota State Board of Higher Education (with emphasis added). You can watch Smith's news conference here (http://logo.und.edu/logo/?page_id=28).


"...a resolution from any sovereign nation such as Spirit Lake or Standing Rock can be changed..."

"On the board, we feel that we need at least a 30-year binding commitment that would probably include a waiver of sovereign immunity and federal jurisdiction, and a binding document so the university knows it has a commitment for 30 years."

"The board put on an additional commitment. We need a 30-year agreement that was binding."

"The attorney general agrees with me that something more than a resolution is prudent."

Question: "So you need more from Spirit Lake?"

Answer: "Yes."

"This type of issue needs a 30-year type of commitment or longer."

"The 30-year agreements would have to be binding on both tribal councils and the tribes, and something that our attorney feels is the right thing to do on behalf of UND. So is that automatic? Not without a lot of review."

"The intent of the board is that 60 days from today, we're done with this issue."

ecbrevik
10-01-2009, 04:38 PM
Here are some key comments from Richie Smith, chairman of the North Dakota State Board of Higher Education (with emphasis added). You can watch Smith's news conference here (http://logo.und.edu/logo/?page_id=28).
All of which means right now we don't have adequate support from EITHER tribe, as far as the NDBHE is concerned.

PCM
10-01-2009, 05:13 PM
All of which means right now we don't have adequate support from EITHER tribe, as far as the NDBHE is concerned.
Look at it as a four-part test. Each tribe must satisfy the NCAA settlement and sign a legally binding 30-year agreement with UND. Right now, with 60 days to go, the test is only 25 percent complete (assuming Standing Rock's resolution is acceptable to the NCAA). The part of the test imposed by the State Board of Higher Education is by far the most difficult and nowhere near being completed.

siouxforeverbaby
10-01-2009, 06:44 PM
http://www.siouxshop.com/new-arrivals.php


Here is a link for the new White-Out shirts for the Gopher series this year if you aren't in GF and would like one.

Siouxfaninseattle
10-01-2009, 10:04 PM
Look at it as a four-part test. Each tribe must satisfy the NCAA settlement and sign a legally binding 30-year agreement with UND. Right now, with 60 days to go, the test is only 25 percent complete (assuming Standing Rock's resolution is acceptable to the NCAA). The part of the test imposed by the State Board of Higher Education is by far the most difficult and nowhere near being completed.

That would be Spirit Lake's resolution, but I don't understand why a "perpetual" agreement doesn't satisfy the 30 year requirement. At any rate, I am glad to see that the issue is nearly behind us.