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  • Originally posted by Scarlet View Post
    What about the Mass Mutual Center in downtown Springfield? UMass should step up to host. AIC could as well.
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    • Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year

      This may have already been posted but is there a list of all pending bids?

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        Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
        This may have already been posted but is there a list of all pending bids?
        No. We know Portland and Bridgeport have bid to host 2020.
        ETA: Loveland, Colorado has also submitted a bid. No, this isn't an April Fool's joke.
        Last edited by ticapnews; 04-01-2019, 11:39 AM.

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        • Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
          No. We know Portland and Bridgeport have bid to host 2020.
          ETA: Loveland, Colorado has also submitted a bid. No, this isn't an April Fool's joke.
          I’ve been waiting for that cuz I know that’s where the Eagles minor league team plays so can’t be a terrible venue. Also hoping World Arena gets some bids when CC gets their new campus arena
          I wanna go fast!

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          • Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year

            Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
            This may have already been posted but is there a list of all pending bids?
            I have a full list of frozen four bids going back decades, but I don’t know of a reliable source for regional bids.

            If anyone knows of any, let me know.
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            • Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year

              Loveland, Colorado? That seems like the riskiest venue possible. I know Denver typically makes the tournament every year but after that? Seems like a graveyard waiting to happen.

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              • Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year

                I’ve a spreadsheet looking at this, and it honestly seems like the closest fan base (and not much about the other three) is the biggest indicator for attendance. So… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                City Games Avg. Regional Attendance Avg. Capacity Avg. % Avg Participant Home Attendance Avg Participant Distance to Venue Avg. Closest Team
                Albany, NY 15 4613 14236 32.4% 3,881 373 206
                Allentown, PA 3 6702 8420 79.6% 4,916 439 101
                Amherst, MA 3 3562 8387 42.5% 3,832 851 542
                Ann Arbor, MI 3 6792 5800 117.1% 3,268 376 9
                Bridgeport, CT 15 6623 8412 78.7% 3,280 436 171
                Cincinnati, OH 9 4837 14453 33.5% 5,445 612 466
                Colorado Springs, CO 6 5881 8000 73.5% 4,938 915 387
                Denver, CO 3 11183 18007 62.1% 6,727 682 356
                Fargo, ND 6 5265 5000 105.3% 6,170 481 127
                Fort Wayne, IN 3 3823 10480 36.5% 3,180 306 130
                Grand Forks, ND 3 11266 11643 96.8% 6,464 533 106
                Grand Rapids, MI 15 4404 11000 40.0% 4,958 434 230
                Green Bay, WI 9 5161 8709 59.3% 4,970 639 424
                Madison, WI 3 9917 15359 64.6% 7,217 510 194
                Manchester, NH 21 7360 9852 74.7% 4,879 456 149
                Minneapolis, MN 9 8764 10000 87.6% 4,986 565 231
                Providence, RI 12 6425 14000 45.9% 3,312 435 128
                Rochester, NY 3 3765 11215 33.6% 3,895 516 356
                Sioux Falls, SD 3 8000 10678 74.9% 4,060 305 182
                South Bend, IN 3 3982 5022 79.3% 3,167 588 522
                st. Louis, MO 3 5024 18400 27.3% 4,873 710 581
                St. Paul, MN 12 7625 17954 42.5% 5,055 428 154
                Toledo, OH 3 2812 7389 38.1% 4,021 350 170
                Worcester, MA 27 7090 12239 57.9% 4,293 516 81
                If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me

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                  Originally posted by J.D. View Post
                  Loveland, Colorado? That seems like the riskiest venue possible. I know Denver typically makes the tournament every year but after that? Seems like a graveyard waiting to happen.
                  I think it would be fine there every 3-5 years...not every year or every other year like the northeastern Regionals. It's a smaller building, which helps.

                  r

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                  • Originally posted by UMD21 View Post
                    I’ve been waiting for that cuz I know that’s where the Eagles minor league team plays so can’t be a terrible venue. Also hoping World Arena gets some bids when CC gets their new campus arena
                    It seats all of 5,289 for hockey, so… it’d better sell out.
                    If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me

                    BRING BACK PAT RICHTER!!!


                    At his graduation ceremony from the U of Minnesota, my cousin got a keychain. When asked what UW gave her for graduation, my sister said, "A degree from a University that matters."

                    Canned music is a pathetic waste of your time.

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                    • Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year

                      Originally posted by pmcdonald View Post
                      No, that was the Androscoggin Bank Colisee in Lewiston that hosted the D-3 Championship. A dreadful Arena. It seats around 3,000.
                      Oh yeah, Lewiston. I knew that...

                      The same arena where Ali knocked out Sonny Liston on the "phantom punch."
                      Russell Jaslow
                      [Former] SUNYAC Correspondent
                      U.S. College Hockey Online

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                      • Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year

                        Originally posted by pgb-ohio View Post
                        Welcome to the conversation. Stick with it long enough, and you'll quickly see how complicated & unwieldy this topic really is.
                        Thanks, I guess. Didn't know there were gatekeepers here.

                        Originally posted by pgb-ohio View Post
                        There's no such thing as earned home ice advantage? If you're going to spread that gospel, you're going to have to persuade the NHL, the NFL, the NBA and everyone else who awards home playoff games on the basis of regular season performance. The college hockey conference tournaments do the same.
                        This is such a weak argument, that it really is borderline trolling. However, I'll respond, since I don't believe you are trolling. The above mentioned examples all have head-to-head playoff series, and except for NFL, go for more than one game. Furthermore, and more importantly, the seeding and home court advantage is based on much more balanced and fair schedules (other than the finals, of course) - meaning, the teams play roughly the same opponents in the regular season. How do you compare the record of PC and Mankato this year? I understand the committee has to go by something (RPI, PairWise, or whatever), but you can argue that that is flawed too. I looked at the record Mankato had against the 16 tourney teams - 1 tie and 3 losses. PC - 3 wins, 1 tie and 4 losses. Mankato 4 games against tourney teams, PC had 8 games (one of the wins came against a Frozen Four bound team). Add the playoffs and the regionals into the mix and Mankato adds 1OT win and 1 loss, while PC adds another 2 wins. So there, you want to go by PairWise, fine, to me this was in no way 3 vs. 14 matchup.

                        Originally posted by pgb-ohio View Post
                        If you really mean it, then you're in favor of using campus sites in the West.
                        I am. I think it's great for college hockey popularity.

                        Originally posted by pgb-ohio View Post
                        We are where we are precisely because of demands for fairness.
                        Yes, except that I do have a little bit of an insider information, and the demand for fairness is not what you think it is. I'll respond to this separately.

                        Originally posted by pgb-ohio View Post
                        Perhaps Stauber1's post was a bit spirited
                        Okay, call it "spirited" - name calling (in advance) someone who doesn't agree with you is "spirited" to some folks.

                        Originally posted by pgb-ohio View Post
                        Home Ice/Home Crowd is fair if earned, otherwise not. You get your performance bonus at work if you meet your target, otherwise not.
                        The problem with your "bonus" example is that you want to give it on a "mutually exclusive basis". You want to give it to some, but not all. Performance bonus at work does not work like that (or very rarely does). You guys keep talking about unfair 1 vs 4 matchup. Why not 2 vs 3? There is absolutely no fair system that would place an Eastern number 2 seed in Western bracket facing number 3 coming from the West (and, even worse, vice versa - put BC or BU in the east (Worcester, Providence, Manchester) and they are automatically given an advantage.

                        With that being said, I challenge you to give me an alternative 16 team bracket for this year, with these NCAA requirements:

                        1. Protect the bracket integrity (i.e. keep 1-16, 2-15, etc.)
                        2. Avoid interconference matchups.
                        3. Put the top seeds closer to home
                        4. … (let's waive the attendance consideration)

                        I guarantee you you will not find a perfect bracket. The committee did the right thing this year.

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                          Originally posted by Bruin View Post
                          With that being said, I challenge you to give me an alternative 16 team bracket for this year, with these NCAA requirements:

                          1. Protect the bracket integrity (i.e. keep 1-16, 2-15, etc.)
                          2. Avoid interconference matchups.
                          3. Put the top seeds closer to home
                          4. … (let's waive the attendance consideration)

                          I guarantee you you will not find a perfect bracket. The committee did the right thing this year.
                          About the only thing they could have done is flip the two eastern Regionals...and geographically, they should have. Mankato is like 30 miles closer to Manchester than to Providence (by great circle flight distance). As the overall #3, they should have been placed in Manchvegas, along with their entire Regional. The bracket was perfect this year, other than that flip.

                          r

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                            Originally posted by pgb-ohio View Post
                            And please. We are where we are precisely because of demands for fairness.
                            What I am going to say here is based on my conversation with an AD from a Hockey East school (I'd rather not name him/her). And by the way, you guys often say "ask the coaches what would they prefer" - that's fine, but the coaches' preferences and opinions are really secondary (or borderline irrelevant). It's really between the ADs (running the business that we call college sports) and the NCAA.

                            Anyway, the unfairness came down not to unfairness in any given year, but the NCAA's unwillingness to spread the (un)fairness on a rotational basis. In case of Hockey East teams, NCAA was willing and ready to host the regionals at Conte (BC) and Agganis (BU), but said that is quite unlikely they would organize a tournament at the Whittemore (UNH, no hotel capacity), extremely unlikely at the Alfond (Maine, same issue, plus remoteness) and absolutely zero chance at Schneider (Providence, arena too small).

                            Naturally, what became an issue is not the competitive advantage, but the revenue sharing. While some progress was made there, they did not come up with a model that would share the tourney revenue among all participating schools (in a situation where there is one host, and most teams not making to the tournament at all).

                            Again, and again, it's the money game. Without the money and revenue, college hockey goes back to obscurity.

                            p.s. Hockey East tournament is always played at the Garden (in a city that is home to 3 HE teams). There are never complaints about the fairness of this setup. It's great for hockey, the attendance is awesome and local media exposure is there.

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                            • Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year

                              Originally posted by cetihcra View Post
                              About the only thing they could have done is flip the two eastern Regionals...and geographically, they should have. Mankato is like 30 miles closer to Manchester than to Providence (by great circle flight distance). As the overall #3, they should have been placed in Manchvegas, along with their entire Regional. The bracket was perfect this year, other than that flip.

                              r
                              Which forgoes the revenue, but okay, we've decided to come up with scenarios that disregards that (although, just as a disclaimer, that's the number one criteria for the NCAA). So, even in that scenario, the home crowd advantage goes to PC - of course, not in the same numbers, but definitely more than 70 or so MSU fans that showed up in Providence would have cheered for PC in Manchester. Additionally, that would put number 2 seed (NU) in a location that is not as convenient as Providence (accessible by Boston's public transportation) - which goes back to my argument that, if you are going to reward #1 seeds, then you need to be fair and consider #2 seeds in their matchups against the #3s. The same scenario would reward Harvard over UMass (which was a higher seed), by placing that matchup in Providence.

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                              • Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year

                                Originally posted by cetihcra View Post
                                About the only thing they could have done is flip the two eastern Regionals...and geographically, they should have. Mankato is like 30 miles closer to Manchester than to Providence (by great circle flight distance). As the overall #3, they should have been placed in Manchvegas, along with their entire Regional. The bracket was perfect this year, other than that flip.

                                r
                                A flight is a flight so Mankato's distance is irrelevant. However, Amherst is closer to Providence than Manchester (by a few miles) so the brackets should have been flipped, but we all know why they weren't.

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