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2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
Originally posted by HockeyMan2000 View PostThere's no way the NCAA is going to allow tournament games to move behind the ESPN+ paywall. They're streamed on ESPN3 already (the free part) and a few sometimes are streamed exclusively every year, but there's a contractual reason they are being broadcast and available. That deal includes online streaming obviously but the NCAA would gain nothing out of them being moved to ESPN+ (if they wanted to put these games behind a paywall, you can bet the NCAA would do it themselves if they could and cut out ESPN completely).
Besides, even if they generate scant ratings, what else does ESPNU and ESPNews have to televise at the end of March? Hoops is over, the other winter sports are all done. A couple of lax games aren't going to get bigger numbers, so it's not like something significant is being pre-empted that's going to necessarily draw that many more eyeballs for them opposite NCAA basketball.
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Originally posted by ticapnews View PostYou can watch it on the ESPN app. I believe that game is scheduled for ESPNU but the UMD/BGSU game is in overtime.
Hey, at least it isn't lacrosse...
Originally posted by boblav1 View PostI feel bad for BGSU. They looked to have the game under control with 3 minutes left in the 3rd. A tough bounce of the puck.I wanna go fast!
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
Originally posted by boblav1 View PostI feel bad for BGSU. They looked to have the game under control with 3 minutes left in the 3rd. A tough bounce of the puck.
"That's hockey".
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
Originally posted by ticapnews View PostConvince the NCAA money is overrated and maybe they will stop putting Providence in Providence.
Originally posted by ticapnews View PostFor years I argued that games at the X were home games for the Gophers but was told repeatedly that they weren't. So neither is this.
Don't like it? Bid to host.
A. You are totally OK with schools being able to purchase a location advantage.
B. You are as big of a hypocrite as can be on this subject.
Minnesota playing games at the X was an advantage for the Gophers, and people who argued it wasn't were obviously just as wrong as those who said the only reason MN won games there is because of said advantage.
And if you can't see the difference between a team like Minnesota advancing to the Frozen Four in St. Paul (or BU advancing to it in Boston), and a #4 Providence being placed in a regional in Providence (or a hypothetical #4 UND placed in a regional in Fargo or a hypothetical #4 MN placed in a regional in St. Paul)........
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
Originally posted by manurespreader View PostI would say that most of these games have not been all that compelling. the BG vs UMD game being the exception. I thought the Clarkson/ ND game was a snoozer.
There's only a couple-three boring teams still alive at this moment, and at least one will survive the Regionals.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
The amount of bad-faith argument going on in this thread is pretty astounding.
I haven't seen people saying the only reason MSU lost is because they were playing in Providence, or that they shouldn't have choked away a 3-goal lead. Nor have I seen anyone "blame" the Providence team for being placed in their home town regional. Even if I have missed posts saying as much, those would be bad arguments and obviously not the thrust of the actual criticism.
Yet those are exactly the things being argued against - either because people are too stupid to understand what is being said, or in bad faith because they don't want to acknowledge it.
It is obvious there is an advantage to playing a regional in your home town when none of the other teams are from that town. If you don't believe that, just ask yourself where each coaching staff would choose to play their NCAA Tournament games if they could pick anywhere. And don't try to obfuscate with some claim about "not their actual rink" - I'm talking about town.
If you can't admit that virtually every coach would pick to play in their home town, you are a clown.
And it is obvious they would choose their home town because they think it would be better for them.
(Cue people making ridiculous claims about how Harvard managed to beat Providence in Providence, or that MSU shouldn't have choked a 3-goal lead. Just as every coach would choose to have last change if they could, having last change is not some magic recipe for a win. That's not the argument, and the more a person tries to make it the argument the more foolish they look).
Since a few people seem so intent on obfuscating the argument, let's spell it out clearly:
The ENTIRE reason for moving to neutral sites for the regionals was to eliminate advantage based on location. It wasn't done to increase attendance or to make more money. It was done because people felt like there was too much of an advantage being awarded to teams based solely on their ability to host a regional and not on where they were seeded. That effort to eliminate location advantage has clearly failed.
Now, I can understand the claim that the current setup is "better" than previously because the games are no longer in a host's regular season arena, but to claim the "neutral" sites have eliminated location advantage is stupid at best and dishonest at worst.
There are two issues at play in the current iteration of this discussion:
First, Providence received an advantage that was wholly unnecessary to give them - There is no reason why that regional couldn't have been swapped out with another wholesale. There was no requirement to place Providence in Providence as they were not the host. They did not "earn" that advantage as they were the bottom seed in their regional. So the only reason to do it was for money - and it seems a lot of people are saying they are OK with that precedent.
Second, if there is going to be an advantage handed out, it seems much more fair for that advantage to be dictated by seeding rather than money (or in some cases flat out who can afford to buy it).
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
This one was emotional. I don’t post here very much anymore but this one was for all the 8 win seasons and road trips to see UMass get blown out. We are going to the frozen four!Sons of old Massachusetts,
Devoted daughters true,
Bay State, old Bay State,
We'll give our best to you.
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Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament Thread - Regionals are the best weekend of hockey all year
Originally posted by Stauber1 View PostWow, despite all the bad-faith arguments and BS that you have posted about this, there is an actual earnest sentiment mixed in.
Congratulations, all you have succeeded to do with post is to show that:
A. You are totally OK with schools being able to purchase a location advantage.
B. You are as big of a hypocrite as can be on this subject.
Minnesota playing games at the X was an advantage for the Gophers, and people who argued it wasn't were obviously just as wrong as those who said the only reason MN won games there is because of said advantage.
And if you can't see the difference between a team like Minnesota advancing to the Frozen Four in St. Paul (or BU advancing to it in Boston), and a #4 Providence being placed in a regional in Providence (or a hypothetical #4 UND placed in a regional in Fargo or a hypothetical #4 MN placed in a regional in St. Paul)........
(Me, too.)
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Originally posted by Fishman'81 View PostHe's still chafed from the days when MN hosted Regionals in the Mariucci, as did MI at Yost.
(Me, too.)
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