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joecct
06-02-2018, 07:47 AM
Thanks. Why didn't I think of that? Ugh.

GFM

We try not to think of the NCHC and the ufgafarking of college hockey

beaverhockeyfan
06-02-2018, 09:46 AM
With AQ, I believe there is some clause that if a certain number of teams had been playing at the D-I level before forming a new conference, they get the AQ right away. The CHA and MAAC/AH had to wait since most of the teams were new to the D-I ranks.

Hence the Big10 and NCHC getting bids right of the bat.

davyd83
06-02-2018, 01:56 PM
Yes, but that's a new conference, and new conferences have typically had to wait their turn before getting the AQ. The CHA didn't have an AQ until 2004, after five years of operations. (I think that some of the wait there was because of the whole Findlay debacle and MAAC schools dropping the Oilers from their schedules at the last minute.)

GFM

There was actually a proposal floated by several AHA/CCHA/WCHA coaches after the Big Ten and NCHC formed. It was for 3 seven team conferences and looked like this, or pretty close:

1) Mankato, Bemidji, Tech, NMU, LSSU, Ferris, Anchorage
2) Niagara, Canisius, RIT, Robert Morris, Mercyhurst, Bowling Green, Fairbanks
3) Air Force, Army, Holy Cross, Bentley, AIC, Sacred Heart, Huntsville

You would play each team in your conference four games and 2 each against a team from each of the other conferences.

Apparently it made too much sense.

aparch
06-02-2018, 03:38 PM
A 52 game regular season? Ballsy.

davyd83
06-02-2018, 04:22 PM
A 52 game regular season? Ballsy.

You play each team in your conference four games for a total of 24. 2 games each with one team from each of the other 2 conferences for a total of 28.

joecct
06-02-2018, 08:49 PM
You play each team in your conference four games for a total of 24. 2 games each with one team from each of the other 2 conferences for a total of 28.

A team v all teams. And, I assume Anchorage v Fairbanks each and every year??

gfmorris
06-02-2018, 09:10 PM
With AQ, I believe there is some clause that if a certain number of teams had been playing at the D-I level before forming a new conference, they get the AQ right away. The CHA and MAAC/AH had to wait since most of the teams were new to the D-I ranks.

Hence the Big10 and NCHC getting bids right of the bat.

Thanks, Millsy. That's it.

GFM

pdt1081
06-02-2018, 09:41 PM
With AQ, I believe there is some clause that if a certain number of teams had been playing at the D-I level before forming a new conference, they get the AQ right away. The CHA and MAAC/AH had to wait since most of the teams were new to the D-I ranks.

Hence the Big10 and NCHC getting bids right of the bat.

Isn't it 6 teams that have played against each other for 2 years, or something a little more specific? SCSU was originally invited to join so the league would qualify for an AQ.

joecct
06-02-2018, 09:51 PM
Isn't it 6 teams that have played against each other for 2 years, or something a little more specific? SCSU was originally invited to join so the league would qualify for an AQ.

As a multisport conference with 6 conference teams, the B1G was getting the AQ no matter what.

The NCHC was different as it is a single sport conference. Normally that's a 2 year wait for the AQ, but the NCAA does make exceptions

giwan
06-04-2018, 12:56 PM
Seems the issue comes down to wanting or needing more NC games. True NC games not where you play a team from the conference.

Question then is, how to make a reasonable schedule and can everyone get more NC games?

DrunkTrainPolka
06-04-2018, 01:18 PM
Seems the issue comes down to wanting or needing more NC games. True NC games not where you play a team from the conference.

Question then is, how to make a reasonable schedule and can everyone get more NC games?

reduce the number of conference games...

"NCAA teams are allowed to play 34 games during the regular season, not including conference postseason tournaments and the NCAA tournament. Conferences may impose further restrictions. Some in-season tournaments, special games and games played in Alaska are exempted from the 34-game limit."

if you play a series with each team in the conference, you play 18 games and are left eight series or 16 games. and if you play two series with each team you are over at 36.

with the two-region idea suggested you would play a total of 26 games (eight series with your side and five series with the other). the WCHA last year played 28 conference games - i would gladly take two extra games.

in the case of tech, i would love them to play UMD, SCSU, UMn, and UW every year. not to mention a weekend tournament or two.

JohnsonsJerseys
06-04-2018, 02:09 PM
in the case of tech, i would love them to play UMD, SCSU, UMn, and UW every year. not to mention a weekend tournament or two.That would be nice except that MN & SCSU have no interest in playing Tech. WI has no interest in going to Houghton. (They think Green Bay is far enough - Four games in Madison and two in GB is a "fair" exchange of games.) UMD is the only one on that list with a remote interest in going to Houghton.
Ryan

JohnsonsJerseys
06-04-2018, 02:13 PM
Seems the issue comes down to wanting or needing more NC games.
Honestly, all the WCHA needs to do is get each team in the conference to win two more of the existing number of conference games they already play. Having a 0.700 NC record is a world better than sub 0.500. If the conference was winning almost 75% of their non-conference games, no one would worry about HOW MANY the teams were playing out of conference.
Ryan

DrunkTrainPolka
06-04-2018, 02:25 PM
Honestly, all the WCHA needs to do is get each team in the conference to win two more of the existing number of conference games they already play. Having a 0.700 NC record is a world better than sub 0.500. If the conference was winning almost 75% of their non-conference games, no one would worry about HOW MANY the teams were playing out of conference.
Ryan

you are correct. BUT the conference is not winning the games they play; and since hockey can go either way sometimes, yes a lucky bounce, playing more games would probably be in our favor. i doubt our record can get any worse. ;)

purpleinnebraska
06-04-2018, 03:23 PM
That would be nice except that MN & SCSU have no interest in playing Tech. WI has no interest in going to Houghton. (They think Green Bay is far enough - Four games in Madison and two in GB is a "fair" exchange of games.) UMD is the only one on that list with a remote interest in going to Houghton.
Ryan

In fairness to the Gophers, they do have 4 in-state non-conference teams that they make every effort to schedule, including road games. They are also once again playing traditional rival NoDak, and usually host their own tournament. There aren't a lot of openings on their dance card. As for Wisconsin? Yeah, that's just because Wisconsin is a bunch of jerks.

Lost_Husky
06-04-2018, 04:00 PM
In fairness to the Gophers, they do have 4 in-state non-conference teams that they make every effort to schedule, including road games. They are also once again playing traditional rival NoDak, and usually host their own tournament. There aren't a lot of openings on their dance card. As for Wisconsin? Yeah, that's just because Wisconsin is a bunch of jerks.

I partly don't blame WisconSIN for not wanting to leave their rink as they do have 10,000+ capacity and put a good number of butts in seats. That said, WisconSIN shouldn't go all the way to Houghton or Marquette to return the favors.

Tech should be able to make the argument for a home and home as we draw a good crowd. I think the real reason they don't want to play in Houghton is they know Tech realistically can beat them, especially during the school year when the Mac is rocking.

This is hockey, most schools are in remote locations. They made your life easier by "making" "remote" conferences (WCHA, ECAC, and AH), the least they (bigger programs) can do is make one trip to their rink a season.

purpleinnebraska
06-04-2018, 04:35 PM
This is hockey, most schools are in remote locations. They made your life easier by "making" "remote" conferences (WCHA, ECAC, and AH), the least they (bigger programs) can do is make one trip to their rink a season.

Meh. I think whatever debt they owed us is paid. I guess I'm not all that wound up about this issue because as I noted, the Gophers have been pretty fair to us on this, SCSU and UMD have both been to Mankato more than once since they left the WCHA, and there isn't any other team that would draw more than Generic Opponent A (Well, NoDak, but they bring their own crowd, I don't know that they bring out any more locals.). For all the talk in this thread about "prestige" and "traditional hockey power" or other such terms, there's no reason to believe Denver, Wisconsin, Michigan, CC, etc. would draw any more people to Mankato than Brown, Western Michigan, or any AH team.

AKSWF
06-04-2018, 07:09 PM
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Lol at the last one, now that would be a long "road" trip.

Lost_Husky
06-05-2018, 07:25 AM
Meh. I think whatever debt they owed us is paid. I guess I'm not all that wound up about this issue because as I noted, the Gophers have been pretty fair to us on this, SCSU and UMD have both been to Mankato more than once since they left the WCHA, and there isn't any other team that would draw more than Generic Opponent A (Well, NoDak, but they bring their own crowd, I don't know that they bring out any more locals.). For all the talk in this thread about "prestige" and "traditional hockey power" or other such terms, there's no reason to believe Denver, Wisconsin, Michigan, CC, etc. would draw any more people to Mankato than Brown, Western Michigan, or any AH team.

SMH. That is because Mankato is an easy 4+ lane highway drive between those in-state/former WCHA schools. Try getting a home and home out of WisconSIN. As stated before they will go to Green Bay, and no farther.

If Mankato wasn't in a league with Tech, would your team travel to Tech, LSSU, or NMU for a NC home and home series?

IMO, UMD has been fair with Tech for NC games.

DrunkTrainPolka
06-05-2018, 07:32 AM
SMH. That is because Mankato is an easy 4+ lane highway drive between those in-state/former WCHA schools. Try getting a home and home out of WisconSIN. As stated before they will go to Green Bay, and no farther.

If Mankato wasn't in a league with Tech, would your team travel to Tech, LSSU, or NMU for a NC home and home series?

IMO, UMD has been fair with Tech for NC games.

"If Mankato wasn't in a league with Tech, would your team travel to..."

i think it has been made very obvious that MNSU does NOT want to be in a league with "...Tech, LSSU, or NMU."

which i guess is understandable with with many other quality schools at a much shorter drive-time.