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giwan
05-30-2018, 09:12 PM
I didn't say the biggest. I said one of them. As Shirtless said, the bottom of the league is overall the biggest knock. Money, or lack there of, is another. Top it off, at least 2 schools openly talking about wanting to leave.

He expects more money because expected bigger crowds?? Can't beat the bottom four is the issue or not enough points when you do so? Prepared to be in the bottom four in his new league?

Suggest instead of complaints find solutions that lift all the teams.

BGDrew
05-30-2018, 10:57 PM
With all due respect: the league championship trophy is sponsored by a maple syrup company. The conference isnít buying a plane.

FadeToBlack&Gold
05-31-2018, 01:50 AM
with all due respect: The league championship trophy is sponsored by a maple syrup company. The conference isn’t buying a plane.

Totally true. :D

In fact, it's a maple syrup company most people have never heard of.

Lost_Husky
05-31-2018, 07:38 AM
He expects more money because expected bigger crowds?? Can't beat the bottom four is the issue or not enough points when you do so? Prepared to be in the bottom four in his new league?

Suggest instead of complaints find solutions that lift all the teams.

I agree. Before one complains about external (league) things, they need to look at internal things, like attendance, ~2,300/game <50% of capacity per USCHO for 2017-2018 season. For Reference UA_ had fewer home games and a higher average ~2,400/game. By the numbers, one would thing BGSU in the bottom 4 last year and had no shot at playing for an NCAA tourney At Large bid. To my untrained eye, it appears to be a school/program issue, not a league issue.

https://www.uscho.com/stats/attendance/division-i-men/2017-2018/

gfmorris
05-31-2018, 07:40 AM
Totally true. :D

In fact, it's a maple syrup company most people have never heard of.

Honestly, whatever they're paying, it's not enough for the indignity of, "WHO?"

GFM

DrunkTrainPolka
05-31-2018, 07:56 AM
He expects more money because expected bigger crowds?? Can't beat the bottom four is the issue or not enough points when you do so? Prepared to be in the bottom four in his new league?

Suggest instead of complaints find solutions that lift all the teams.

the WCHA is fine... but it can be better. and in fine, i mean that they are in a position, and at times need, to hustle and come up with new ideas to help the conference be better...

i expect(ed) something different news-wise this off-season; so far nothing.

my suggestion would be more NC games... maybe the creation of two regions with the AK teams as floaters to said regions (if you go to AK you play both UAF and UAA).

as far as teams moving in-&-out of other conferences... boy...

the only (most) certainty is that ASU joins somebody. my guess is its B1G first, NACHO next, with the WCHA a very, very distant third.

i made these maps [turns out i don't have permission to use attachments] a while back... people sometimes get their distances off... looking at a map, shows fact.

anyway... i really like this conversation for i only see opportunity for the WCHA to get better by playing better teams... be it C or NC. the more better-teams we play, the bigger the chance, be it a lucky bounce, of winning against them not to mention the exposure.

and remember too that tech has made it into the NCAA because they won the playoffs... not because of PWR or anything like that. do not forget that the WCHA competition (however crappy at times) is what made the last two runs possible. go and ask n'dak and gophers fans how they feel about this past year...

cheers, kiko

BGFan
05-31-2018, 08:23 AM
I agree. Before one complains about external (league) things, they need to look at internal things, like attendance, ~2,300/game <50% of capacity per USCHO for 2017-2018 season. For Reference UA_ had fewer home games and a higher average ~2,400/game. By the numbers, one would thing BGSU in the bottom 4 last year and had no shot at playing for an NCAA tourney At Large bid. To my untrained eye, it appears to be a school/program issue, not a league issue.

https://www.uscho.com/stats/attendance/division-i-men/2017-2018/

FWIW, BG always reports actual attendance (tickets scanned) as opposed to tickets sold. Watching the games at UA_ as well as others on WCHA TV tells me that they appear to be padding the actual attendance numbers. On top of that we had several home games over student breaks which hurts attendance a lot.

As far as the locals are concerned in regards to attendance, many have never heard of the likes of UAH, Bimidji, MTU, or MSU Mankato (sorry but these are the facts when you exist square in the middle of the Big 10 as well as the MAC). The fans that have been around for a 35 - 40 years have, of course, but you're not going to bring in a lot of new fans with those names on the docket regardless of how good they are. In that regard I think that the university really needs to get the word out via advertising when we have a top 15 team in the arena. I saw a bit more of that this past year with actual TV ads for hockey which, to my knowledge, they've never done in the past.

beaverhockeyfan
05-31-2018, 08:25 AM
Maybe the WCHA should partner up with this guy and get a jet for the league? :rolleyes:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/30/us/jesse-duplantis-plane-falcon-7x-prosperity-gospel-trnd/index.html

Shirtless Guy
05-31-2018, 09:56 AM
FWIW, BG always reports actual attendance (tickets scanned) as opposed to tickets sold. Watching the games at UA_ as well as others on WCHA TV tells me that they appear to be padding the actual attendance numbers. On top of that we had several home games over student breaks which hurts attendance a lot.

As far as the locals are concerned in regards to attendance, many have never heard of the likes of UAH, Bimidji, MTU, or MSU Mankato (sorry but these are the facts when you exist square in the middle of the Big 10 as well as the MAC). The fans that have been around for a 35 - 40 years have, of course, but you're not going to bring in a lot of new fans with those names on the docket regardless of how good they are. In that regard I think that the university really needs to get the word out via advertising when we have a top 15 team in the arena. I saw a bit more of that this past year with actual TV ads for hockey which, to my knowledge, they've never done in the past.
Winning should bring plenty of fans and BGSU has done plenty of that..also I donít really know why anyone would report tickets scanned vs tickets sold...no one else seems to,

Shirtless Guy
05-31-2018, 09:58 AM
Honestly, whatever they're paying, it's not enough for the indignity of, "WHO?"

GFM
Itís actually my wifeís preferred maple syrup and probably the best out there for the real stuff and itís available throughout the conference

bravohankins
05-31-2018, 12:59 PM
Quote Originally Posted by Lost_Husky View Post
I agree. Before one complains about external (league) things, they need to look at internal things, like attendance, ~2,300/game <50% of capacity per USCHO for 2017-2018 season. For Reference UA_ had fewer home games and a higher average ~2,400/game. By the numbers, one would thing BGSU in the bottom 4 last year and had no shot at playing for an NCAA tourney At Large bid. To my untrained eye, it appears to be a school/program issue, not a league issue.

https://www.uscho.com/stats/attendan...men/2017-2018/

Those numbers are a joke...

If you believe that Alaska really had 2,400 fans at games I have some ocean front property here in Phoenix I'll sell you. I've seen them have about 300 people there on WCHA TV.

BG has 2,000 season ticket holders, they go to pretty much all the games. That's why for a lousy opponent, when the students are out you'll see the attendance be around 2,000.
For a "known" opponent when the students are on campus you'll see 4,000+, for a decent opponent with the students on campus you'll see around 3,000 to 3,500.

You're actually just proving Bergeron's point. This is one of the reasons they want out......outside of Tech, nobody in the current WCHA moves the attendance needle in Northwest Ohio. The two home Tech games had 7,400 in total. Even Mankato, for all their success, is NOT a draw in BG.....and they want out too, so they really don't matter anyway.

DrunkTrainPolka
05-31-2018, 01:32 PM
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so back in the CCHA days... who were the big draws for BGSU? how did the WMU and MU games play-out in bowling green as far as attendance?

i still think a decent enough solution, as a tech fan, would be to trade MnSU & BSU (hockey schools) for WMU & MU (non-hockey schools - specially when considering the NACHO).

and also making sure tech would play UMD, MnSU, BSU, UMn, SCSU, and UW on a regular basis as non-conference opponents.

also BGSU would be a much better fit within the B1G then the NACHO.

my two-&-a-half cents...
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Squarebanks
05-31-2018, 01:59 PM
Those numbers are a joke...

If you believe that Alaska really had 2,400 fans at games I have some ocean front property here in Phoenix I'll sell you. I've seen them have about 300 people there on WCHA TV.

BG has 2,000 season ticket holders, they go to pretty much all the games. That's why for a lousy opponent, when the students are out you'll see the attendance be around 2,000.
For a "known" opponent when the students are on campus you'll see 4,000+, for a decent opponent with the students on campus you'll see around 3,000 to 3,500.

You're actually just proving Bergeron's point. This is one of the reasons they want out......outside of Tech, nobody in the current WCHA moves the attendance needle in Northwest Ohio. The two home Tech games had 7,400 in total. Even Mankato, for all their success, is NOT a draw in BG.....and they want out too, so they really don't matter anyway.

I hate to break it to you but BG doesnít move the attendance needle either for anybody outside of Ohio.

Also, as someone who actually set foot inside the Carlson Center multiple times last season (as opposed to watching a ****ty web feed and jumping to conclusions from that), your assertion of 300 people at a game is laughable at best and insulting at worst to the people who are actually putting the effort in to reverse the attendance decline.

The unfortunate fact is that outside of immediate rivalries (UAF/UAA, Tech/NMU, etc.) no WCHA fan base really cares much about the other schools in the conference, which is part of why almost every program has seen attendance lag since realignment.

I hate the offseason.

JohnsonsJerseys
05-31-2018, 02:01 PM
With all due respect: the league championship trophy is sponsored by a maple syrup company. The conference isn’t buying a plane.
They don't have to BUY a plane, just get a sponsor to pay for one.

"...And remember fans, when your teams goes on the road, they're flying in style on "Bisquick One Fueled by Anderson's Maple Syrup" NCAA hockey's only conference chartered aircraft..."
Ryan

<img src="http://eaa429.org/Events/CakePlate.png">

Or if we can't afford a jet, then we just make the best of what we have and fly at ground level...

<img width=700 src="http://cdn.blog.rvshare.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/08-RV-Made-From-Jet.jpg">

Or the league just mandates that each team host a pancake dinner fundraiser (topped with delicious Anderson's Pure Maple Syrup of course) before each home game with 75% of all profits going towards the league's aircraft leasing costs.

BGDrew
05-31-2018, 04:24 PM
BGís ďpaidĒ season ticket numbers are closer to 850-900. With students that number probably goes up to the 1,500-2,000 range.

pdt1081
05-31-2018, 08:43 PM
He expects more money because expected bigger crowds?? Can't beat the bottom four is the issue or not enough points when you do so? Prepared to be in the bottom four in his new league?

Suggest instead of complaints find solutions that lift all the teams.

It's risk vs reward. Sweep the bottom 4 and the reward is you are probably still eligible to earn an at-large bid. Go 9-1 or 8-2, you're probably only getting in by winning the conference tourney.

Lift all the teams? Where can one donate to their highly publicised fundraising campaign to ensure the future of their program?

manurespreader
05-31-2018, 10:04 PM
It's risk vs reward. Sweep the bottom 4 and the reward is you are probably still eligible to earn an at-large bid. Go 9-1 or 8-2, you're probably only getting in by winning the conference tourney.

Lift all the teams? Where can one donate to their highly publicised fundraising campaign to ensure the future of their program?

well A. BG has been playing Ferris and NMU for a long time, and they don't get much in attendance from them. Shouldn't they. They've been playing WMU for a long time, same deal. the reason they draw for Tech is that Tech fans travel.

Personally this would all be a moot point if the bottom three teams won a few ooc games. Maybe we as a league can help them do that.

mmf
05-31-2018, 10:12 PM
Those numbers are a joke...

If you believe that Alaska really had 2,400 fans at games I have some ocean front property here in Phoenix I'll sell you. I've seen them have about 300 people there on WCHA TV.

You appear to be one of the learned hockey fans that does not know the difference between "Alaska" and "Alaska-Anchorage". I thought you Kentucky boys were smarter than that. :rolleyes:

FadeToBlack&Gold
05-31-2018, 11:28 PM
Can we just agree that none of the teams in this hack conference really care about each other? :rolleyes:

MavsFan
06-01-2018, 01:04 AM
Can we just agree that none of the teams in this hack conference really care about each other? :rolleyes:

I love when Tech comes to Mankato. You bring a lot of fans who bring a lot of fun.

And I thought we were starting to get a nice rivalry going with Bowling Green, but I guess not, since apparently nobody in B1G and MAC country cares about us.