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Red Cloud
04-03-2017, 02:26 PM
Huh?

Think he wants you to do it again tomorrow.

Personally, I need an explanation on this. I was OK with firing Appert after the season we just went through, but how in the world do you do that, then make a hire that makes everyone scratch their heads on how the team begins improving from here? And if he's only being had on the cheap... wouldn't it have just been cheaper to pay one guy instead of two?

Ralph Baer
04-03-2017, 02:48 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just spoke with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QUHockey?src=hash">#QUHockey</a> associate head coach Bill Riga, who was a finalist for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RPIHockey?src=hash">#RPIHockey</a> job. Said he wasn&#39;t offered job. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ECACHockey?src=hash">#ECACHockey</a></p>&mdash; Ken Schott (@slapschotts) <a href="https://twitter.com/slapschotts/status/848984785745825792">April 3, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

turk181
04-03-2017, 03:02 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just got off the phone with Canisius hockey coach Dave Smith. Asked if he is the new <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RPIHockey?src=hash">#RPIHockey</a> coach, and he said no comment. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ECACHockey?src=hash">#ECACHockey</a></p>&mdash; Ken Schott (@slapschotts) <a href="https://twitter.com/slapschotts/status/848986964384784386">April 3, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ralph Baer
04-03-2017, 03:07 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just got off the phone with Canisius hockey coach Dave Smith. Asked if he is the new <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RPIHockey?src=hash">#RPIHockey</a> coach, and he said no comment. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ECACHockey?src=hash">#ECACHockey</a></p> Ken Schott (@slapschotts) <a href="https://twitter.com/slapschotts/status/848986964384784386">April 3, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I guess that is definite.

NBinks
04-03-2017, 03:27 PM
My $0.02:

This whole thing has been bungled from start to finish by RPI's administration. It's clear that RPI Hockey isn't really a priority for the administration. I worried about this when McElroy was hired in the first place-- someone with no hockey experience who has built their career around football, basketball, and lacrosse. The rumor was (when I was a student ~6 years ago) that Shirley didn't really "get" hockey, and wanted football to be the #1 sport. Hence the massive expansion that became ECAV, with very few renovations to the HFH-- it's clear where her priorities lie.

And from the RPI administration's perspective, successful D1 Hockey is not really necessary to raise the school's profile. It's still seen as a bit of a niche sport by most of the US, unfortunately. And I haven't seen anywhere that Union's national championship win did anything for their application/admittance rates. Meanwhile, RPI just had the biggest freshman class and the lowest acceptance rate EVER, even with a failing flagship athletics program. I'm sure RPI's administration would rather funnel money towards academics, or research, or straight up advertising campaigns-- anything else, really. There's not really an incentive for putting money towards hockey.

I can't help but think that if the program was D1 basketball, they'd be funneling tons of money into the program. Has anyone actually heard of Gonzaga for anything other than basketball?

NBinks
04-03-2017, 03:32 PM
And for a little bit of levity on the subject:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ACTUAL QUOTE FROM PARKER EXECUTIVE SEARCH: WHO IS ADAM OATES? DIDNT HE COWRITE 'MANEATER'?</p>&mdash; ANGRY DRUNK PUCKMAN (@DRUNK_PUCKMAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/DRUNK_PUCKMAN/status/848961913635688448">April 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: ANGRY DRUNK PUCKMAN NAMED RPI'S NEW COACH</p>&mdash; ANGRY DRUNK PUCKMAN (@DRUNK_PUCKMAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/DRUNK_PUCKMAN/status/848921047978082304">April 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I WILL BRING THIS PROGRAM BACK TO ITS FORMER GLORY, AND FORMER DRUNKENESS. WE WILL WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP AND A CASE OF 99 BANANAS </p>&mdash; ANGRY DRUNK PUCKMAN (@DRUNK_PUCKMAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/DRUNK_PUCKMAN/status/848921422957342720">April 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MY FIRST ACT WILL BE TO HIRE A NEW STRENGTH AND CONDITIONING COACH, THE SAME ONE WHO STRENGTHENED AND CONDITIONED SETH APPERT'S HAIR</p>&mdash; ANGRY DRUNK PUCKMAN (@DRUNK_PUCKMAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/DRUNK_PUCKMAN/status/848922690777907202">April 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Ralph Baer
04-03-2017, 03:41 PM
Has anyone actually heard of Gonzaga for anything other than basketball? Isn't it a type of cheese?

ServinisScores
04-03-2017, 03:42 PM
I wonder if Smith called his former boss, Buddy Powers? He was BP's assistant the last 2 years of his Bowling Green tenure.

Pretty strange hire, that leaves a series of questions and resultant answers where almost none of the potential answers put RPI in a good light. Even more so given that Appert was fired practically as the bus rolled up to the HFH from Potsdam.

giwan
04-03-2017, 03:58 PM
Whoever the new coach is, I hope they give him a secretary. And a little more support than they gave the last guy.
If he gets the same support that they gave SA, I don't see any real chance of advancement.
That being said, I don't know why someone with a head coaching job would change unless he was promised some support.

Support is relative, it may be more support than he got but less then HE and the hockey programs need.

Wicked Slappaahs
04-03-2017, 04:19 PM
So the doomsdayer in me can foresee a day when Ben Barr succeeds Bennett at Union and proceeds to exact his revenge....here's hoping he gets hired at UNO😜

turk181
04-03-2017, 04:30 PM
....and in other coaching news....... Reading, PA – The Reading Royals of the ECHL, affiliate of the Philadelphia Flyers of the National Hockey League, today announced that Larry Courville has been relieved of his duties as the team’s head coach. Kirk MacDonald, who has served as the Royals’ assistant coach since October of 2014, will serve as the team’s interim head coach. http://royalshockey.com/larry-courville-relieved-of-duties-as-royals-coach/

Ralph Baer
04-03-2017, 05:06 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source tells me Canisius Head Coach Dave Smith will be the next head coach at RPI. It's a five-year contract. <a href="https://t.co/0aBlVzY3b4">pic.twitter.com/0aBlVzY3b4</a></p>&mdash; Bucci Mane (@Buccigross) <a href="https://twitter.com/Buccigross/status/849014060335198208">April 3, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

5 years

jericho
04-03-2017, 05:37 PM
If it's smith I may never walk into the hfh again

Promise? Although I have a feeling that you will.

Ralph Baer
04-03-2017, 05:49 PM
Promise? Although I have a feeling that you will.

He'll run in instead. ;)

FlagDUDE08
04-03-2017, 06:02 PM
Curious what do you consider a smile on your face in 5 yrs? Chance are right now no matter who you hire you won't even get some recruits to pick up the phone. It takes time unless you believe SA has the talent there and just couldn't develop it.

Appert was a great recruiter, but a terrible bench coach. 09-11 put a smile on my face, until the team was exposed for using good goaltending as a crutch.

FlagDUDE08
04-03-2017, 06:10 PM
5 years

That's perfectly fair, as it gives him a chance to get "his kids" in. Hopefully we hear from him at the Alumni event in February (or earlier if there's one in Rochester).

rpi82
04-03-2017, 06:23 PM
I'll be at HFH and both games in CT next season, after 40+ years I don't know any better, but this entire process depresses me. Good luck Coach Smith. Please expose my fears as unfounded and bring some excitement back to the program. Even modest success could make you a true hero among a fan base aching for a return to relevance. Let's hope wiser minds than mine brought you to us.

rvd5star69
04-03-2017, 06:42 PM
This has been an unmitigated disaster from the get go. We just replaced a guy with a guy who has basically the same winning % in a lesser league. Wow. Lee hired a firm with no hockey experience and gave the back of his hand to alumni like Joe Juneau, Garry Kearns, Chiarelli. I believe Coach Smith has had losing seasons in 8 of his 12 years. Im an Apps guy, I get it but you got to be kidding me.

Thank u !!!

rvd5star69
04-03-2017, 06:44 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just spoke with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QUHockey?src=hash">#QUHockey</a> associate head coach Bill Riga, who was a finalist for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RPIHockey?src=hash">#RPIHockey</a> job. Said he wasn&#39;t offered job. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ECACHockey?src=hash">#ECACHockey</a></p>&mdash; Ken Schott (@slapschotts) <a href="https://twitter.com/slapschotts/status/848984785745825792">April 3, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Crazy

rvd5star69
04-03-2017, 06:44 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just got off the phone with Canisius hockey coach Dave Smith. Asked if he is the new <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RPIHockey?src=hash">#RPIHockey</a> coach, and he said no comment. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ECACHockey?src=hash">#ECACHockey</a></p>&mdash; Ken Schott (@slapschotts) <a href="https://twitter.com/slapschotts/status/848986964384784386">April 3, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good start for him he has to learn or to answer your ?'s lol