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Ralph Baer
04-03-2017, 12:09 PM
http://www.troyrecord.com/sports/20170401/on-the-record-rpi-hockeys-struggles-come-down-to-money-and-academics

Who wrote that? He said that he covered RPI back in the Addesa era, but there is no byline.

Wicked Slappaahs
04-03-2017, 12:11 PM
Who wrote that? He said that he covered RPI back in the Addesa era, but there is no byline.

Steve Amedio a columnist. There's a note st bottom of the piece

FlagDUDE08
04-03-2017, 12:28 PM
One thing I find a bit ironic with the Canisius coach, although nothing to do with the actual coaching search: We've yet to play Canisius. Ever.

rpi82
04-03-2017, 12:46 PM
The Canisius coach is 4th on my preference list out of 4. While I'm sure there are issues recruiting at Canisius, why would we want a coach with a well below .500 record and extremely limited recruiting reach (look at their roster)? His history is Seth with even less of a recruiting footprint. Grosek would be third on my list because he's a winner with an even more limited recruiting base. If we don't get Riga or Barr I will consider this effort a step backward.

rvd5star69
04-03-2017, 12:48 PM
The Canisius coach is 4th on my preference list out of 4. While I'm sure there are issues recruiting at Canisius, why would we want a coach with a well below .500 record and extremely limited recruiting reach (look at their roster)? His history is Seth with even less of a recruiting footprint. Grosek would be third on my list because he's a winner with an even more limited recruiting base. If we don't get Riga or Barr I will consider this effort a step backward.

If it's smith I may never walk into the hfh again

rpi82
04-03-2017, 12:54 PM
My biggest concern with throwing Jooris name into the mix was that his connections are undoubtedly overwhelmingly in Ontario and little elsewhere. Well, that's Smith but without the sub-.500 record behind the bench. Jooris could hire recruiters with greater reach to offset his weakness. Who can Smith hire to offset his weaknesses?

rsfs04
04-03-2017, 12:57 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffCoxSports/status/848941013653762049

I'm on mobile, not sure that link will work.

engineerhockeyfan
04-03-2017, 01:29 PM
The staff needs to be HCs decision, IMO.

I totally agree with that. I was just asking the question.

jericho
04-03-2017, 01:31 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffCoxSports/status/848941013653762049

I'm on mobile, not sure that link will work.

I get a message that says "the account you're trying to access has been suspended."

Edit: never mind I found it

TBone
04-03-2017, 01:31 PM
The Canisius coach is 4th on my preference list out of 4. While I'm sure there are issues recruiting at Canisius, why would we want a coach with a well below .500 record and extremely limited recruiting reach (look at their roster)? His history is Seth with even less of a recruiting footprint. Grosek would be third on my list because he's a winner with an even more limited recruiting base. If we don't get Riga or Barr I will consider this effort a step backward.

You might want to do a little reading about Coach Smith. Not advocating for him, but I just went to the Canisius hockey page and it was interesting. He is the 2016-2017 AH Coach of the Year and a finalist for the Spencer Penrose Award (Nat'l Coach of the Year; one of 10 finalists). Their goalie is a finalist for the Richter Award. He played at Ohio State for 4 years and played pro hockey for 6 or so years; mostly in the AHL. He has coached 2 Hobey finalists. Servers on the board of College Hockey Inc. Just a few links;

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=20500&ATCLID=1464602

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=97816&SPID=12001&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211538093&DB_OEM_ID=20500

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=97816&SPID=12001&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211531631&DB_OEM_ID=20500

The guy probably knows how to coach and I'm sure his recruiting contacts are just fine. I wouldn't be upset if this guy became the coach.

TBone
04-03-2017, 01:32 PM
If it's smith I may never walk into the hfh againWe all appreciate the heads up.

rpi82
04-03-2017, 01:36 PM
You might want to do a little reading about Coach Smith. Not advocating for him, but I just went to the Canisius hockey page and it was interesting. He is the 2016-2017 AH Coach of the Year and a finalist for the Spencer Penrose Award (Nat'l Coach of the Year; one of 10 finalists). Their goalie is a finalist for the Richter Award. He played at Ohio State for 4 years and played pro hockey for 6 or so years; mostly in the AHL. He has coached 2 Hobey finalists. Servers on the board of College Hockey Inc. Just a few links;

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=20500&ATCLID=1464602

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=97816&SPID=12001&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211538093&DB_OEM_ID=20500

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=97816&SPID=12001&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211531631&DB_OEM_ID=20500

The guy probably knows how to coach and I'm sure his recruiting contacts are just fine. I wouldn't be upset if this guy became the coach.

The year before they were 12-22-5. In fact, the guy has never had back-to-back .500 or better seasons in 11 years at Canisius. One year riding a hot goalie does not make a great candidate.

TBone
04-03-2017, 01:37 PM
The year before they were 12-22-5. In fact, the guy has never had back-to-back .500 or better seasons in 11 years at Canisius. One year riding a hot goalie does not make a great candidate.Read some more

QUAlum2004
04-03-2017, 01:38 PM
Jeff Cox‏ @JeffCoxSports
One minor issue in contract negotiations is all that remains between RPI officially announcing Dave Smith as its next head coach.

CollegeHockeyRinkReport
04-03-2017, 01:41 PM
One minor issue in contract negotiations is all that lies between Dave Smith being announced as new coach at RPI:

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/ecac/2017/4/3/15163384/rpi-chooses-dave-smith-to-lead-hockey-program-canisius-seth-appert-bill-riga-ben-barr-ed-gosek

rpi82
04-03-2017, 01:43 PM
Those were fluff pieces with content such as, "Canisius has also enjoyed a long history of success at the professional level outside of playing the game, highlighted most recently by two-time Griff captain Peter MacDougall ’10 being named an NHL referee in 2016." He may turn out to be a good head coach, but his record doesn't show it and I'd be lying if I didn't say hiring him would be a massive disappointment.

Edit: In fact, I 'll go one step further and say McElroy is making the same bonehead move that the Colonel made. Both gave coaches with weak histories coming off a single good season anchored by an excellent goalie a new contract. I'd prefer to see an extended record of excellence, even if it is as an assistant.

Try this one to get everyone excited: http://www.uscho.com/stats/coach/mid,1127/dave-smith/

TBone
04-03-2017, 01:48 PM
Those were fluff pieces with content such as, "Canisius has also enjoyed a long history of success at the professional level outside of playing the game, highlighted most recently by two-time Griff captain Peter MacDougall 10 being named an NHL referee in 2016." He may turn out to be a good head coach, but his record doesn't show it and I'd be lying if I didn't say hiring him would be a massive disappointment.

Try this one: http://www.uscho.com/stats/coach/mid,1127/dave-smith/I get it. As I stated, I'm not advocating for the guy. It was just that people on here were making it look like the guy was Happy Gilmore. I am guessing he was coaching at an institution with way less resources than RPI. They just opened a new rink a season or two ago which probably had some effect on recruiting. Since it appears he is our new coach, let's support him and see where it takes us.

FlagDUDE08
04-03-2017, 01:53 PM
If it's smith I may never walk into the hfh again

Can I have your tickets? And the wife's if she doesn't want to go either? :p

johnk
04-03-2017, 01:53 PM
Those were fluff pieces with content such as, "Canisius has also enjoyed a long history of success at the professional level outside of playing the game, highlighted most recently by two-time Griff captain Peter MacDougall 10 being named an NHL referee in 2016." He may turn out to be a good head coach, but his record doesn't show it and I'd be lying if I didn't say hiring him would be a massive disappointment.

Try this one: http://www.uscho.com/stats/coach/mid,1127/dave-smith/

Not sure how this will pan out but 2 of the people that know alot more than I do thought he was the best of the 4 candidates for this program. Seemed to start circulating yesterday that is was between him and Gosek which could mean a couple differentry things. One is that they desired a coach with head coaching experience. Could be he just interviewed beter. Or maybe others weren't as interested as some thought.

FlagDUDE08
04-03-2017, 01:58 PM
Not sure how this will pan out but 2 of the people that know alot more than I do thought he was the best of the 4 candidates for this program. Seemed to start circulating yesterday that is was between him and Gosek which could mean a couple differentry things. One is that they desired a coach with head coaching experience. Could be he just interviewed beter. Or maybe others weren't as interested as some thought.

It doesn't surprise me we want a HC, especially considering we've been burned by two ACs. Rinse and repeat what was said earlier about condemning. A point was also made that Belichick was a flop on his first coaching job, so maybe Smith will do better this time around. I think what we can conclude from this is that past performance does not guarantee future results. Alls I know is, whomever is named head coach, you have my support in your endeavor, but you also have 5 years to put a smile on my face, and then if you do, positive consistency is my expectation, whether we win, lose, or tie.