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AspyDad
03-13-2017, 05:20 PM
Writer seems to have forgotten Union doing way more with less... No disputing seth was great at the off ice community work... as was his predecessor. I do agree with the part regarding spending big on the East campus and so little on the field house.

They can get kids in Union, we cant.

AspyDad
03-13-2017, 05:21 PM
Record article about the future of RPI hockey http://www.troyrecord.com/opinion/20170313/behind-the-lines-coaching-change-not-enough-to-revive-rpi-hockey. #reality

jstadts
03-13-2017, 05:28 PM
Not buying that. He got a kid in that didn`t even meet NCAA requirements without sitting a year.

son-of-alumn
03-13-2017, 06:09 PM
They can get kids in Union, we cant.


Harvard, Yale and Cornell seem to be managing much better even with very high academic standards - and a new coach in Princeton is even beginning to turn the program around there!!! Also their facilities are not appreciably superior.

Every youth, high school, midget, prep and junior hockey player in the northeast knows who Ben Barr is because he is very visible at all of the rinks, games, camps, tournaments, etc.......and he makes sure he knows them too! And he also knows the family advisors - which are a huge part of recruiting these days!

DrDemento
03-13-2017, 06:41 PM
You never had a lucky shirt of jacket that you had to wear always?
R B- I once posted about the 1984-1985 season and how I was so superstitious during our long winning streak. I wore mostly the same outfit to every game and made sure while getting dressed (at the old Holiday Inn in Troy) that we not only stayed in the same exact room each time, but that I put my outfit on in the exact same order. We went out to the same restaurant before each game (Verdile's) and I ordered the same veal parmigiani and drank the same vodka in my gimlet. We then stopped at Bella Napoli to buy dessert which we brought to share with most of the row in section 6 at HFH. Superstitious? You bet! The one game that I altered my routine was the second game against Lake Superior State and we settled for a tie ( which was somewhat by design since we had won easily the night before and the series was decided by total goals).
The only time I did the same sort of thing was at Lake Placid in 1995. I was just so sure we were not going to win (we were ranked as a #6 seed) that I figured it would make no difference. But when we beat Colgate, i wore the same outfit the next night against Princeton. I did not regret it. (although the gendarmes at the arena tried to evict me when a Princeton fan objected to my use of an air horn after each of the 5 goals RPI scored).

turk181
03-13-2017, 06:46 PM
When I read that article earlier today my thought was, “excuses, excuses, excuses”. Times certainly have changed since the 80’s/90’s but has RPI’s attitude towards what was once a great college hockey program changed also? An overwhelming kids now choose the college game where in those days it was the CHL. That means more quality kids to choose from. RPI HAS gotten it’s share during the Appert era with very little in return. I’m excited for what’s coming. Just my opinion.

turk181
03-13-2017, 06:59 PM
I just don’t see why Oates would leave what he’s doing now to hop back on bus rides & recruiting trips. He’s got his analyst gig on TSN Hockey Night in Canada plus his very lucrative services to over 90 NHLers but........maybe I’m wrong <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On another opening (RPI), getting the feeling from a lot of people that there is a camp that wants Barr &amp; a camp that wants Oates.</p>&mdash; Mike McMahon (@MikeMcMahonCHN) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/841378819521052672">March 13, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Havasu M
03-13-2017, 07:04 PM
Nice article. If You Build It They Will Come. I hope Union doesn't have the give back their trophy because of sub par facilities. ASU 's Oceanside Side arena is neither Ocean side nor an arena just ice and some bleachers. But in their second year they won more games than RPI. Good comments about IVY recruiting already posted. How did we recruit Oates Carter Puppa et al with such a crappy facility. Oh later, Juneau Tapper Pothier Murley Cavosie even Polacek. Richardson just went into the hall of fame. Appert was great community wise a decent recruiter but not a good coach in my opinion. That is exactly what we need a great coach and recruiter and we will have home ice next year. I also disagree that their were low expectations this past year. In the RPITV interviews of the players at beginning of the year almost all of them remarked what talent this team had. Most of the posters had RPI higher than 11th in the ECAC contest as well. Coaches and media polls did as well . Just my opinion.

RPI fan 4 life
03-13-2017, 08:13 PM
R B- I once posted about the 1984-1985 season and how I was so superstitious during our long winning streak. I wore mostly the same outfit to every game and made sure while getting dressed (at the old Holiday Inn in Troy) that we not only stayed in the same exact room each time, but that I put my outfit on in the exact same order. We went out to the same restaurant before each game (Verdile's) and I ordered the same veal parmigiani and drank the same vodka in my gimlet. We then stopped at Bella Napoli to buy dessert which we brought to share with most of the row in section 6 at HFH. Superstitious? You bet! The one game that I altered my routine was the second game against Lake Superior State and we settled for a tie ( which was somewhat by design since we had won easily the night before and the series was decided by total goals).
The only time I did the same sort of thing was at Lake Placid in 1995. I was just so sure we were not going to win (we were ranked as a #6 seed) that I figured it would make no difference. But when we beat Colgate, i wore the same outfit the next night against Princeton. I did not regret it. (although the gendarmes at the arena tried to evict me when a Princeton fan objected to my use of an air horn after each of the 5 goals RPI scored).

Hey Doc, I sat in Section 6 in HFH back in 1984-85 and still sit there today. What row were you in? I never got any desserts from Bella Napoli :(
BTW, my friend and I used to bring air horns to games like Freakout! and the NCAA tournament games. They were confiscated at the Joe and never got them back...

RegalFan
03-13-2017, 08:19 PM
Being a good recruiter is not a sure bet that you can coach. Everyone said Appert was a good recruiter, based on his work with Denver. Shouldn't RPI look for someone who has HC experience? Appert had never been a HC before and that seems to be the biggest problem area. Montgomery appears to be a HC that not only knew how to recruit but knows how to coach. AC are the real recruiters not the HC. This program needs a HC that knows how to handle players of today. Coach the way the game is played today. Skating, passing, playmaking. The AD needs to look for a proven HC at the Junior level that wants a college job. Dan Muse is a guy that has recruiting experience and HC experience. Muse is just one example. There are others out there.

DavidSec17
03-13-2017, 08:26 PM
This is from a Troy Record article, dated October 6, early this season before our trip to Maine.




Appert says this could be the year RPI will finally average three goals per game.

"We're going to score goals, I have no doubt," he said.

Appert is always optimistic but rarely makes glowing predictions. He did say, though, he expects a lot this season.

"This is the deepest team we've had here and I'm confident we can be a team that can contend for an ECAC championship and contend for an NCAA (Frozen) Four spot," he said.



So either Appert couldn't get the most out of the kids or this is/was a line of bull. This year we averaged 2.24 goals per game, but he thought he had the kids to compete this year. So whoever said we can't get the kids and Union can, well Appert says right here we had the kids so...

jstadts
03-13-2017, 08:38 PM
Being a good recruiter is not a sure bet that you can coach. Everyone said Appert was a good recruiter, based on his work with Denver. Shouldn't RPI look for someone who has HC experience? Appert had never been a HC before and that seems to be the biggest problem area. Montgomery appears to be a HC that not only knew how to recruit but knows how to coach. AC are the real recruiters not the HC. This program needs a HC that knows how to handle players of today. Coach the way the game is played today. Skating, passing, playmaking. The AD needs to look for a proven HC at the Junior level that wants a college job. Dan Muse is a guy that has recruiting experience and HC experience. Muse is just one example. There are others out there.

Good points!

giwan
03-13-2017, 09:01 PM
Writer seems to have forgotten Union doing way more with less... No disputing seth was great at the off ice community work... as was his predecessor. I do agree with the part regarding spending big on the East campus and so little on the field house.

Curious is there any talk of spending on the field house? Long term plan?

jstadts
03-13-2017, 09:08 PM
Curious is there any talk of spending on the field house? Long term plan?

i haven`t heard anything about field house specifically.

son-of-alumn
03-13-2017, 09:25 PM
Being a good recruiter is not a sure bet that you can coach. Everyone said Appert was a good recruiter, based on his work with Denver. Shouldn't RPI look for someone who has HC experience? Appert had never been a HC before and that seems to be the biggest problem area. Montgomery appears to be a HC that not only knew how to recruit but knows how to coach. AC are the real recruiters not the HC. This program needs a HC that knows how to handle players of today. Coach the way the game is played today. Skating, passing, playmaking. The AD needs to look for a proven HC at the Junior level that wants a college job. Dan Muse is a guy that has recruiting experience and HC experience. Muse is just one example. There are others out there.

Muse is also an excellent choice. He knows the players throughout the northeast and beyond - and is also is very well known within hockey circles.

Sorry - SA may have been a good recruiter AT DENVER - but had zero knowledge of and showed even less interest in the northeast players. Just not sure that even many top, or elite, MN or midwest kids are all that interested in heading to Troy - so he never was able to recruit impact players. But maybe kids in NE, NY, NJ and PA would have been - if SA & Co. had even tried or showed even the slightest interest at all!!!

I was born in Troy - and have many family ties to RPI, but if they if they won't, don't, can't... even try to compete with even the Ivy's in their own back yard (the northeast), then they really can't expect to succeed!

son-of-alumn
03-13-2017, 09:34 PM
R B- I once posted about the 1984-1985 season and how I was so superstitious during our long winning streak. I wore mostly the same outfit to every game and made sure while getting dressed (at the old Holiday Inn in Troy) that we not only stayed in the same exact room each time, but that I put my outfit on in the exact same order. We went out to the same restaurant before each game (Verdile's) and I ordered the same veal parmigiani and drank the same vodka in my gimlet. We then stopped at Bella Napoli to buy dessert which we brought to share with most of the row in section 6 at HFH. Superstitious? You bet! The one game that I altered my routine was the second game against Lake Superior State and we settled for a tie ( which was somewhat by design since we had won easily the night before and the series was decided by total goals).
The only time I did the same sort of thing was at Lake Placid in 1995. I was just so sure we were not going to win (we were ranked as a #6 seed) that I figured it would make no difference. But when we beat Colgate, i wore the same outfit the next night against Princeton. I did not regret it. (although the gendarmes at the arena tried to evict me when a Princeton fan objected to my use of an air horn after each of the 5 goals RPI scored).


still love Bella Napoli when i get back north and loved Verdile's!!!

jstadts
03-13-2017, 09:43 PM
still love Bella Napoli when i get back north and loved Verdile's!!!

Speaking of verdile`s and getting fired. Mike verdile fired me back in 89 from Donovans restaurant. My offense..I accidentally dropped a large stack of small plates. I had just gotten married and bought a house. I was working there part time as a second job.No buyout was offered:p I survived.

jericho
03-13-2017, 09:44 PM
Muse is also an excellent choice. He knows the players throughout the northeast and beyond - and is also is very well known within hockey circles.

Sorry - SA may have been a good recruiter AT DENVER - but had zero knowledge of and showed even less interest in the northeast players. Just not sure that even many top, or elite, MN or midwest kids are all that interested in heading to Troy - so he never was able to recruit impact players. But maybe kids in NE, NY, NJ and PA would have been - if SA & Co. had even tried or showed even the slightest interest at all!!!

I was born in Troy - and have many family ties to RPI, but if they if they won't, don't, can't... even try to compete with even the Ivy's in their own back yard (the northeast), then they really can't expect to succeed!

Just remember-there is also a huge difference in recruiting a kid to Denver than there is to RPI. Not saying DU isn't a good school, but it's also not RPI. In addition, when a kid sees hockey factories consistently on the schedule it's going to weigh a little heavier on their minds, than just a guess if an ECAC team is going to be good. There's a lot more to it other than getting a kid through admissions. Already, RPI is at a disadvantage. Just because a kid is free on the northeast, doesn't always mean he'll stay there to play hockey.

Wicked Slappaahs
03-13-2017, 09:59 PM
Curious is there any talk of spending on the field house? Long term plan?

You are aware they spent money recently on interior spruce up - new scoreboard , Shirley's sky box, redoing the front entry opening up the long covered glass facade,etc. ?? The last frontier would be the Zamboni end of the ice ...but I'm unaware of any immediate plans. I believe I recall that when MacElroy was hired it was stated that fundraising was underway for more HFH work...but Ive heard nothing of this since then.

Wicked Slappaahs
03-13-2017, 10:05 PM
Being a good recruiter is not a sure bet that you can coach. Everyone said Appert was a good recruiter, based on his work with Denver. Shouldn't RPI look for someone who has HC experience? Appert had never been a HC before and that seems to be the biggest problem area. Montgomery appears to be a HC that not only knew how to recruit but knows how to coach. AC are the real recruiters not the HC. This program needs a HC that knows how to handle players of today. Coach the way the game is played today. Skating, passing, playmaking. The AD needs to look for a proven HC at the Junior level that wants a college job. Dan Muse is a guy that has recruiting experience and HC experience. Muse is just one example. There are others out there.

Quick research --Current /Former ECAC coaches who are/were first time HC's:
Greg Carvel - SLU (now UMass)
Mike Shafer - Cornell
Nate Leaman -Union (now PC)
Rick Bennett - Union
Ted Donato - Harvard
Don Vaughn- Colgate
Casey Jones -CCT
Rand Pecknold - Q