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Ralph Baer
03-08-2017, 11:54 AM
Recruiting for college is always tough, because not only do you have to weigh talent, but we still are technically a youth league, so you have to consider how long the players are going to stick around, and if that's going to be important to the staff's mission, whether dictated by them or the administration. Because there's no monopoly for the NCAA in this sport, there's no requirement for either age or number of years removed from a school level before playing professionally. Not to mention, we "compete" with a professional league in Major Junior, and although we're seeing more professional talent developed in the NCAA, the professional threats loom, especially with one goalie recruit we had recently. One other thing to consider: Unlike other schools, we don't have cake majors. RPI takes rigorous education very seriously, and so they should; it's a college first and foremost. Mind you, the GPA of ice hockey students are among the highest across the entirety of the NCAA, but it is still something to consider.

We certainly look into the USHL quite a bit, but it's 16 teams of kids (that includes USNTDP) that we can presume 60 colleges are fighting over. I wouldn't be surprised if we're already tapping that out, and need to look towards Tier II US and Canada.

I agree, as far as I could determine, SA was trying to get more USHL players and trying to get other recruits into the league. Besides for Mat Harris who plays in the USPHL which I think is Tier III, Matt Cameron who is still in midget, and Atte Tuliara in Finland (but in their best junior league), all our recruits are Tier I or Tier II.

RPIfan216
03-08-2017, 12:54 PM
Ralph and FlagDude those are good points, Seth and his guys knew where the elite talent was, just very competitive with getting them and combining that with how hard of a school RPI is academically. I like Matt Cameron that you brought up Ralph, playing with the Jersey Avalanche correct? There is a D man on that team Marshall Warren that is regarded as the best D man in the country from the 01 birth year. I watched some of the Tier 1 Elite League playoffs and Cameron was good. Ralph the USPHL is considered Tier III but it is starting a new conference next year called the National Collegiate Dev. Conference I believe. So the goal is to have more kids from the east coast stay home and play in a very competitive league and get scouted more frequently by east coast schools.

What have you guys liked from Jacob Hayhurst? I watched Praps play his last weekend in junior for the Toronto Lakeshore Patriots because I knew he was an RPI recruit and didn't even know about his team mate Hayhurst at the time and he impressed me in those games. I think he could be a good center in the NCAA in a year.

Ralph Baer
03-08-2017, 01:37 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dozens of <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_Hockey">@RPI_Hockey</a> alumni ordered &amp; framed one for their living rooms. We owe <a href="https://twitter.com/SethAppert">@SethAppert</a> thanks for making us part of an RPI game again <a href="https://t.co/Ev1Ip76BMN">pic.twitter.com/Ev1Ip76BMN</a></p>&mdash; Dave Aiello (@daveaiello) <a href="https://twitter.com/daveaiello/status/839552510847291403">March 8, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ralph Baer
03-08-2017, 01:40 PM
Ralph and FlagDude those are good points, Seth and his guys knew where the elite talent was, just very competitive with getting them and combining that with how hard of a school RPI is academically. I like Matt Cameron that you brought up Ralph, playing with the Jersey Avalanche correct? There is a D man on that team Marshall Warren that is regarded as the best D man in the country from the 01 birth year. I watched some of the Tier 1 Elite League playoffs and Cameron was good. Ralph the USPHL is considered Tier III but it is starting a new conference next year called the National Collegiate Dev. Conference I believe. So the goal is to have more kids from the east coast stay home and play in a very competitive league and get scouted more frequently by east coast schools.

What have you guys liked from Jacob Hayhurst? I watched Praps play his last weekend in junior for the Toronto Lakeshore Patriots because I knew he was an RPI recruit and didn't even know about his team mate Hayhurst at the time and he impressed me in those games. I think he could be a good center in the NCAA in a year.

The NJA U16 team is loaded with D-I commits (and the U18 team isn't bad either :) ).

I like Hayhurst. He seemed to have trailed off late in the year, probably an injury which he played with. I think that he will get better. He had already committed to RPI before Prapavessis left Lakeshore.

turk181
03-08-2017, 02:16 PM
Ralph and FlagDude those are good points, Seth and his guys knew where the elite talent was, just very competitive with getting them and combining that with how hard of a school RPI is academically. I like Matt Cameron that you brought up Ralph, playing with the Jersey Avalanche correct? There is a D man on that team Marshall Warren that is regarded as the best D man in the country from the 01 birth year. I watched some of the Tier 1 Elite League playoffs and Cameron was good. Ralph the USPHL is considered Tier III but it is starting a new conference next year called the National Collegiate Dev. Conference I believe. So the goal is to have more kids from the east coast stay home and play in a very competitive league and get scouted more frequently by east coast schools.

What have you guys liked from Jacob Hayhurst? I watched Praps play his last weekend in junior for the Toronto Lakeshore Patriots because I knew he was an RPI recruit and didn't even know about his team mate Hayhurst at the time and he impressed me in those games. I think he could be a good center in the NCAA in a year.Just to clarify; Marshall Warren is a Harvard commit.

RPIfan216
03-08-2017, 03:15 PM
Just to clarify; Marshall Warren is a Harvard commit.

Thanks for the update on that. Last I had heard he was was not committed yet but it sounds like Harvard got another gem, along with Wahlstrom and Bode Wilde at the NTDP. They will be fun to watch at the HFH, assuming they don't flock to the CHL.

jmhusker
03-08-2017, 05:32 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dozens of <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_Hockey">@RPI_Hockey</a> alumni ordered &amp; framed one for their living rooms. We owe <a href="https://twitter.com/SethAppert">@SethAppert</a> thanks for making us part of an RPI game again <a href="https://t.co/Ev1Ip76BMN">pic.twitter.com/Ev1Ip76BMN</a></p>&mdash; Dave Aiello (@daveaiello) <a href="https://twitter.com/daveaiello/status/839552510847291403">March 8, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Dave Aiello was team manager of the '85 team no? If this is the guy I'm thinking of... I have a funny story. He once tried to tell me that Addessa let him dress for games in place of injured guys. I told him he was full of it. He's probably telling people now that several of the names on the jersey are actually him... unless they listed the managers too. :rolleyes:

Ralph Baer
03-08-2017, 05:47 PM
Dave Aiello was team manager of the '85 team no? If this is the guy I'm thinking of... I have a funny story. He once tried to tell me that Addessa let him dress for games in place of injured guys. I told him he was full of it. He's probably telling people now that several of the names on the jersey are actually him... unless they listed the managers too. :rolleyes:

Later than that I think. He is however listed on the jersey. Click on the left picture. It's the first name which you see there.

AspyDad
03-08-2017, 06:56 PM
Dave Aiello was team manager of the '85 team no? If this is the guy I'm thinking of... I have a funny story. He once tried to tell me that Addessa let him dress for games in place of injured guys. I told him he was full of it. He's probably telling people now that several of the names on the jersey are actually him... unless they listed the managers too. :rolleyes: This post speaks more about you than Dave. Trying to diminish people like this is what we try not to teach our children. Ive talked to Dave, he's a great family man and on ice official. A wonderful man and person. Have you no shame??

DrDemento
03-08-2017, 07:13 PM
Finally had a chance to look back over the RPI stats for this year. Found it interesting that we scored about 44% of our goals on the power play. In the ECAC it was even a bit more like 45%. I cannot recall an RPI team that had so much trouble at even strength. Also it made me think how overall statistics do not tell the entire story. Some of our boys got either very little or absolutely no power play time. That of course is a coaching decision. So, when i look at the end of the year and who scored how many goals, i temper it a bit. I was fascinated as to how the number of goals turned out once I simply subtracted the ones scored on the power play. Some of our higher scorers in total do not stand out so much when you just look at those scored by them at even strength and others, who saw very little ice time when we were a man up, had their numbers look a bit better. Just something the new coaches might look at in a bit more depth.
This hockey season was truly a nightmare and although it was difficult not to chime in with some comments, in good conscience neither Jen or I felt we could say something objective. We have so much admiration for the boys who come through this program and certainly did not want anything we said in upset or anger to be construed as being a criticism of any of them. As we always have been, we are optimistic about the coming years.

ServinisScores
03-08-2017, 07:30 PM
Dave Aiello was team manager of the '85 team no? If this is the guy I'm thinking of... I have a funny story. He once tried to tell me that Addessa let him dress for games in place of injured guys. I told him he was full of it. He's probably telling people now that several of the names on the jersey are actually him... unless they listed the managers too. :rolleyes:

He follows me on twitter, and I could not for the life of me figure out his tweet that Ralph copied above. Why wouldn't they let alumni buy a replica? It is a great jersey.

ServinisScores
03-08-2017, 07:34 PM
Doc, great to have you back. It's hard to line up your analysis objectively, the team put in some rather abysmal efforts until Hackett was let go.

Here's a more macro level data point for you. If you roll up all of the seasons starting in 1949 with the Harkness era, and look at the Top 10 worst seasons by win-loss record, Appert was at the helm for half of them.

hawthr
03-08-2017, 08:35 PM
That does bring up an interesting point... would Hackett request a trial to rejoin the team with someone new at the helm?

Hackett won't be coming back, no matter the coach. Trust me on that one.

Ralph Baer
03-08-2017, 08:47 PM
He follows me on twitter, and I could not for the life of me figure out his tweet that Ralph copied above. Why wouldn't they let alumni buy a replica? It is a great jersey.

I think that Dave Aiello was happy that SA acknowledged the hockey Alumni, in part by the fact that the names were all on that jersey.

BTW I found no evidence on Kurt Stutt's web site that he ever played in a game.

techtodenver
03-08-2017, 09:04 PM
Clarkson is dominating recruiting in Ontario/QC, at least as much as they can (can't compete against P5 schools).....I think Carvels recruiting philosophy at SLU helped along with Apperts at RPI, Morris will be leaning on Ontario and you can already see that trend, if RPI hires a staff with good Canadian connections you might see a lot of head to head battles for kids. Like others have mentioned everyone is recruiting in the USHL and competition is fierce with other schools but I will say if you get a guy with a lot of connections as an assistant like Clarkson did with Josh Hauge then you'll be in good shape, Hauge came in and locked down Kielly, locked down Astren, found Kuzmeski late in the process last year, got a good USHL late bloomer in Kevin Charyszyn, helped get a goalie of the future to commit in Bischel. He hasn't had much time but his relationships previous to Clarkson have helped him land some much needed talent in Potsdam.

Ralph Baer
03-09-2017, 01:00 AM
Today is 9 March 2017. There are 206 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 1 October 2017 for the start of next season.

vicb
03-09-2017, 05:21 AM
Looking for the following contestants. just a friendly reminder that you have until Friday night at 7PM to get your picks into the ECAC Pick the Playoffs 2017.

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Mike Hutter
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still an empty net
Turk
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FlagDUDE08
03-09-2017, 05:57 AM
He follows me on twitter, and I could not for the life of me figure out his tweet that Ralph copied above. Why wouldn't they let alumni buy a replica? It is a great jersey.

The purchase was probably limited to the alumni players, as it includes their namesake.

FlagDUDE08
03-09-2017, 06:29 AM
This post speaks more about you than Dave. Trying to diminish people like this is what we try not to teach our children. Ive talked to Dave, he's a great family man and on ice official. A wonderful man and person. Have you no shame??

Maybe it's just me, but I enjoy the stories of the past, even if that's all they really are (i.e. whether real or fictional).

FlagDUDE08
03-09-2017, 06:31 AM
Later than that I think. He is however listed on the jersey. Click on the left picture. It's the first name which you see there.

I would venture a guess, based on other handles and first-person testimonies, that he was Class of 89, or something specifically to do with that year.