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SJHovey
07-14-2016, 07:58 AM
Might. You have to ask yourself how the NCHC can accept ASU without a rink or even a plan for as rink.Might possibly be the reason that, contrary to Adam Wodon's reporting, the deal with ASU has not been made?

The other thing that I noted is that the NCHC's response was pretty non-committal regarding Mankato's application. Certainly no indication that the application was sought or encouraged by the NCHC. My guess is that Hastings saw an opportunity with the rumored ASU-NCHC connection and took it. Whether the NCHC would choose Mankato, another school, or even do a deal with ASU is still pretty much up in the air. My prediction is that if/when ASU inks a deal, the NCHC will then look to Mankato, Bowling Green, or anyone else who wants to apply and figure out who makes the best fit (or pays the most money?)

aparch
07-14-2016, 08:40 AM
This doesn't surprise me. Disappoint me, yes.

Also, I love how the expenses of the women's programs are absorbed by the WCHA, while the men's programs run off to chase the dollar from the NCHC. If MSU-M is accepted, the lone remaining all WCHA school is Bemidji state.

stuckinwi
07-14-2016, 10:00 AM
This doesn't surprise me. Disappoint me, yes.

Also, I love how the expenses of the women's programs are absorbed by the WCHA, while the men's programs run off to chase the dollar from the NCHC. If MSU-M is accepted, the lone remaining all WCHA school is Bemidji state.

I am curious how those finances work out...

5mn_Major
07-14-2016, 10:23 AM
Might possibly be the reason that, contrary to Adam Wodon's reporting, the deal with ASU has not been made?

The other thing that I noted is that the NCHC's response was pretty non-committal regarding Mankato's application. Certainly no indication that the application was sought or encouraged by the NCHC. My guess is that Hastings saw an opportunity with the rumored ASU-NCHC connection and took it. Whether the NCHC would choose Mankato, another school, or even do a deal with ASU is still pretty much up in the air. My prediction is that if/when ASU inks a deal, the NCHC will then look to Mankato, Bowling Green, or anyone else who wants to apply and figure out who makes the best fit (or pays the most money?)

Do you have hard information saying that the NCHC has not made up its mind?

beaverhockeyfan
07-14-2016, 10:33 AM
Again, BSU should be fine. Sure there's a feeling that all the other MN teams are elsewhere. But I would imagine that BSU will still schedule UMD, SCSU, U MN, MSU and UND. I'm not sure how tough of a schedule the school really wants. The key for BSU is to keep its coaching, recruiting and facilities top notch. Having all the good schools on the schedule but participating in a less than overwhelming WCHA league...the school could do well for itself.

BSU will struggle with this. Travel is already straining the budget and this would mean they lose their closest conference road trip (Michigan Tech would be the new closest at seven hours). Granted it is only one weekend a year, but that will inevitably be replaced by a longer conference road trip since the WCHA has an unbalanced schedule.

Yes, it removes one of the "top dogs" in the WCHA from a competition standpoint, but if budget numbers don't line up, the school will have some serious number crunching to do. Sure, it leaves a lot of close non-conference opponents, but that is only four weekends a year. Right now, one of those is ate up by the North Star Cup, so at most, BSU would probably see two home non-conference series a year. UND and U MN are the only two schools that fill the Sanford Center when they come to town, so unless it is one of those two, the fact the MSU-M would be a possible non-conference opponent doesn't help the budget.

SJHovey
07-14-2016, 10:43 AM
Do you have hard information saying that the NCHC has not made up its mind?
Just the statement released by the NCHC, which says, basically, "we responded to an inquiry by Minnesota State, Mankato, but like with all such inquiries we look to see what is best for our current programs. The manner of assessing inquiries will be our focus in the future, regardless of where they come from."

Doesn't really sound like they've made any decisions.

5mn_Major
07-14-2016, 10:50 AM
Just the statement released by the NCHC, which says, basically, "we responded to an inquiry by Minnesota State, Mankato, but like with all such inquiries we look to see what is best for our current programs. The manner of assessing inquiries will be our focus in the future, regardless of where they come from."

Doesn't really sound like they've made any decisions.

No it actually doesn't. I would imagine the program is pretty close with SCSU and UMD and understands the situation pretty well.

cF[Authentic]
07-14-2016, 12:18 PM
Do you have hard information saying that the NCHC has not made up its mind?

No hard info, but the athletic directors didn't make any decisions in April when they met. They'll be together again in August to discuss things.

As mentioned, the lack of a rink for ASU is a major piece of why nothing has been decided. The NCHC isn't inviting people to join. They've received applications for schools but haven't committed to anything. Surprisingly, BG has been pretty quiet and hasn't discussed things with the conference much.

Biddco
07-14-2016, 01:54 PM
I totally disagree with that. I also disagree about the clutch and grab. It's not just the WCHa that does that, and you are going to find that out very quickly.
I think no one gives two ***** about Bemidji of course, and this is about making the costs lower,everyone understands that, but it does hurt the rest of the league.. Attendance won't be any better really and certainly getting a national bid and the cachet that goes with that... well...
Of course it is not just the WCHA that does that...although in the NCHC the only team that does that constantly is WMU. WCHA is getting a reputation for having many teams that lack scoring depth that have to play that style to win games.

I don't give two ****s about Bemidji and neither do MSU fans when it comes to seeing many WCHA teams. They'll draw much better with UMD, UNO, UND and SCSU all within a 6 hour drive.

This will make it easier for MSU to make the NCAA tournament in the NCHC as there is a greater room for error with how strong the conference has been in the PWR.

Pump It Up
07-14-2016, 04:10 PM
Davenport's letter to Fenton, from the GF Herald. (http://www.grandforksherald.com/sites/default/files/MSU-Mankato%20letter%20to%20NCHC.pdf)

burd
07-14-2016, 04:24 PM
I miss the old Final Five and everyone there hating on the rodents, but good riddance. It's fun watching Minnesota be irrelevant for a change.

I'd love to have UMinn and UND in the same conference again. Not gonna happen, but it was sure fun when we had it.

Dirty Dream No. 2
07-14-2016, 04:38 PM
It wasn't PSU's fault. It was the misconception that the B1G was going to change the landscape of college hockey.

I didn't say it was PSU's fault. And how is that a misconception? The Big 14 did change the landscape of D-1.

joecct
07-14-2016, 05:22 PM
I didn't say it was PSU's fault. And how is that a misconception? The Big 14 did change the landscape of D-1.

The reaction (NCHC) changed the landscape.

willythekid
07-14-2016, 06:09 PM
The reaction (NCHC) changed the landscape.

All for the better... The NCHC teams did what was best for them and BTW, the conference isn't doing too bad for itself. The founding schools of the NCHC look pretty smart right now to everyone except the schools who didn't get a date to the prom. You don't get stepped on when you are on top.

joecct
07-14-2016, 06:40 PM
All for the better... The NCHC teams did what was best for them and BTW, the conference isn't doing too bad for itself. The founding schools of the NCHC look pretty smart right now to everyone except the schools who didn't get a date to the prom. You don't get stepped on when you are on top.

If no NCHC
WCHA
UAA
DU
CC
BSU
UND
MSU-M
SCSU
UMD
MTU
UNO

CCHA
BGSU
WMU
FSSU
NMU
LSSU
AK
Miami
ND

Independent
UAH

Rearrange a few deck chairs and you get two travel reasonable leagues.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
07-14-2016, 07:03 PM
You forgot NoDak in your list. (Edit: Not anymore)

I don't think a NCHC-free world is too disastrous. The NCHC teams, other than maybe WMU and Miami, would be about in the same boat as they are now, albeit with UAA still hanging around. The non-Nacho leftovers, assuming UAA still joins somebody, would probably be in as ideal of a situation as they're likely to have (until the MACHC forms, of course).

I suppose the CCHA would still be in a rough-ish spot, having lost more to the B1G than the old WCHA did.

5mn_Major
07-15-2016, 06:33 AM
This will make it easier for MSU to make the NCAA tournament in the NCHC as there is a greater room for error with how strong the conference has been in the PWR.

Not sure if it will make it much easier for MSU to make the tournament...but I doubt it will hurt them. GPL (a Gopher fan website) is full of posts saying they think its actually a bad move for MSU. Yeah, posters there are often off in la la land. This would be a very good move for MSU in many ways. And for BSU, it won't really hurt them...only a minor ego impact.

joecct
07-15-2016, 07:41 AM
Not sure if it will make it much easier for MSU to make the tournament...but I doubt it will hurt them. GPL (a Gopher fan website) is full of posts saying they think its actually a bad move for MSU. Yeah, posters there are often off in la la land. This would be a very good move for MSU in many ways. And for BSU, it won't really hurt them...only a minor ego impact.
Men's Hockey is THE revenue sport at BSU. They need to have fannies (lots of fannies) in the seats at Sanford to support the D2 sports and womens hockey.

NoDak (sellout) is not coming this year. Having another in state rival drop off into the tenuous non conference land is not good for the bottom line.

jdmaxim23
07-15-2016, 08:36 AM
Men's Hockey is THE revenue sport at BSU. They need to have fannies (lots of fannies) in the seats at Sanford to support the D2 sports and womens hockey.

NoDak (sellout) is not coming this year. Having another in state rival drop off into the tenuous non conference land is not good for the bottom line.



This will hurt BSU, and leave them once again as the lone Minnesota team left out of "the conference". I still believe that BSU and MSU-M would be good fits for the NCHC for geography reasons and competitive reasons. It would be nice to be able to see all the MN teams come to Duluth and play for conference points and bring their fans with them. Watching WMU, Miami, CC and potentially ASU come with 3 fans is getting old already.

gfmorris
07-15-2016, 10:27 AM
If no NCHC
WCHA
UAA
DU
CC
BSU
UND
MSU-M
SCSU
UMD
MTU
UNO

CCHA
BGSU
WMU
FSSU
NMU
LSSU
AK
Miami
ND

Independent
UAH

Rearrange a few deck chairs and you get two travel reasonable leagues.

If you put UAH under Independent, you don't have UAH, PERIOD.