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altazo
07-20-2016, 09:09 AM
Rather than hoping to join the NCHC, after being outplayed and outshot over a two game series with D3 UW-Eau Claire, ASU would be far more competitive joining the remnants of UW-EC's (and Mankato and Bemidji's) old conference: the NCHA.

Biddco
07-20-2016, 09:10 AM
I blame Biddco

Agreed

willythekid
07-20-2016, 09:11 AM
This thread has taught me a few things.
1. as Fade says, who the heck cares.! Jessh.! It might not happen anyway! 2. money talks. 3. UND fans are like trump supporters, long on emotion and nostalgia, but short on facts.( with the exception of dirty who is well above the average und toad and who clearly is a closet Minnesota fan) 3. Hoped for savings and results are usually not what you end up getting. ... oh and trading away 5 trips to the eastern time zone for 2 trips east and 3 to the West is really not that big a benefit if you ask me.

You have two number 3s... fact.

Dirty
07-20-2016, 09:14 AM
Wow, an above average toad. That might be the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me.

4four4
07-20-2016, 03:35 PM
I think any program not named UAA/UAF is full of crap citing travel costs when it comes to playing those programs.

Yep.

It's like the AD saying It's really important for the players to remain in class, don't worry about the other road trips we take during the year.

FadeToBlack&Gold
07-20-2016, 04:10 PM
with the exception of dirty who is well above the average und toad and who clearly is a closet Minnesota fan)

Let me give you a bit of advice, sir. You were trolling well up until this point, but accusing Dirty of being a closet MN fan is silly. He's clearly a closet NDSU fan. :)

aparch
07-20-2016, 06:17 PM
[Deep booming voice...]
Meanwhile... <br>
<img src=http://i.imgur.com/AOaQFGI.jpg>
<br>
Back at the WCHA Headquarters...
[/narrator voice]

Bowling Green Declines Comment on Schools Interest in NCHC and/or Future in WCHA... (http://www.bgsuhockey.com/2016/07/bg-officials-decline-comment-on-schools-interest-in-nchc-future-in-wcha/)

FadeToBlack&Gold
07-20-2016, 06:25 PM
Oh my goodness; if Bowling Pins leaves, the butthurt is going to be amazing.

aparch
07-20-2016, 06:44 PM
Wild speculation...

Western, Miami and BGSU want to have a pseudo MAC conference to play against themselves. Backdoor their own exit from the NCHC and WCHA and restart the CCHA since BGSU has all the paperwork sitting in a closet at the ice arena. Poach Mercyhurst, Robert Morris, and Ferris State to round out their league (ala the Original Six NCHC schools). Take Canisius and RIT late this fall to round out to eight CCHA teams for 2018-19.

The NCHC, to remain at eight, take Mankato and Arizona State.

Leaves the WCHA with Alaska, Alaska Anchorage, Alabama Huntsville, Bemidji, Michigan Tech, Northern Michigan, and Lake State.

Hammer
07-20-2016, 07:19 PM
Wild speculation...

Western, Miami and BGSU want to have a pseudo MAC conference to play against themselves. Backdoor their own exit from the NCHC and WCHA and restart the CCHA since BGSU has all the paperwork sitting in a closet at the ice arena. Poach Mercyhurst, Robert Morris, and Ferris State to round out their league (ala the Original Six NCHC schools). Take Canisius and RIT late this fall to round out to eight CCHA teams for 2018-19.

The NCHC, to remain at eight, take Mankato and Arizona State.

Leaves the WCHA with Alaska, Alaska Anchorage, Alabama Huntsville, Bemidji, Michigan Tech, Northern Michigan, and Lake State.

That probably spells death for 2-3 programs.

Stratus
07-20-2016, 07:53 PM
That probably spells death for 2-3 programs.

I'm not knowledge enough to comment on that.
However, Miami's rink just turned ten and still looks new. The university occasionally tells us that hockey is the premier sport. From here it kind of feels like they think a championship is achievable so I wouldn't look for them to slide away from NDakota, Denver, Etc until Rico retires at the earliest.
I saw them play Providence, RPI, and CC last season and crowds were good to SRO. I thought RPI on New Years weekend would be empty, but it was louder than I remember old Goggin.

Critical Thinker
07-20-2016, 08:22 PM
Wild speculation...

Western, Miami and BGSU want to have a pseudo MAC conference to play against themselves. Backdoor their own exit from the NCHC and WCHA and restart the CCHA since BGSU has all the paperwork sitting in a closet at the ice arena. Poach Mercyhurst, Robert Morris, and Ferris State to round out their league (ala the Original Six NCHC schools). Take Canisius and RIT late this fall to round out to eight CCHA teams for 2018-19.

The NCHC, to remain at eight, take Mankato and Arizona State.

Leaves the WCHA with Alaska, Alaska Anchorage, Alabama Huntsville, Bemidji, Michigan Tech, Northern Michigan, and Lake State.

Miami and Western aren't leaving, the exit fee to leave the NCHC pretty much guarantees they're staying whether they want to or not.

TalonsUpPuckDown
07-20-2016, 08:27 PM
I'm not knowledge enough to comment on that.
I saw them play Providence, RPI, and CC last season and crowds were good to SRO. I thought RPI on New Years weekend would be empty, but it was louder than I remember old Goggin.

Yet according to Sean Pickett's attendance worksheet, the Miami State crowds over the past two years are identical to BG's. And hockey has to be the premier sport at Miami State because your football team has been worse than gawd awful for over a decade (ever since Roethlisberger left).

What does any of this have to do with the topic? Nothing. I simply can't pass on an opportunity to smack talk Miami State.

I will return to lurking this thread.

Spartanforlife4
07-20-2016, 08:27 PM
Miami and Western aren't leaving, the exit fee to leave the NCHC pretty much guarantees they're staying whether they want to or not.

Something like 1+ million was cited earlier in this thread when I thought Mankato leaving could move WMU and MU to the WCHA.

joecct
07-20-2016, 08:35 PM
[Deep booming voice...]
Meanwhile... <br>
<img src=http://i.imgur.com/AOaQFGI.jpg>
<br>
Back at the WCHA Headquarters...
[/narrator voice]

Bowling Green Declines Comment on Schools Interest in NCHC and/or Future in WCHA... (http://www.bgsuhockey.com/2016/07/bg-officials-decline-comment-on-schools-interest-in-nchc-future-in-wcha/)

How do you expand to 00 schools??

Stratus
07-20-2016, 08:42 PM
Yet according to Sean Pickett's attendance worksheet, the Miami State crowds over the past two years are identical to BG's. And hockey has to be the premier sport at Miami State because your football team has been worse than gawd awful for over a decade (ever since Roethlisberger left).

What does any of this have to do with the topic? Nothing. I simply can't pass on an opportunity to smack talk Miami State.

I will return to lurking this thread.
I've always had a soft spot for BG and yeah, I miss the CCHA.

Guess I'm not very good at this smack thing.

I figure schools have a first priority to themselves, secondarily for the sport so this round of shuffling kind of makes sense.
However, leaving any team without a conference is bad for the sport and bad for everyone in the long run.

gfmorris
07-20-2016, 11:07 PM
Miami and Western aren't leaving, the exit fee to leave the NCHC pretty much guarantees they're staying whether they want to or not.

The only thing that thinks me having the feeling that the departure fees don't get involved is that everyone sits down and negotiates like gentlemen.

GOOD GOD THAT'S PAUL KELLY'S MUSIC

gym

Tipsy McStagger
07-21-2016, 11:53 AM
Let's face it, no one is going to convince fans at SCSU that getting an invite months after everyone else the NCHC really wanted had turned the conference down, isn't quite the same thing as being a team the NCHC really wanted. You know like those teams that were actually sitting around the table behind closed doors creating the conference without SCSU's knowledge.

And as for some fans (let's say MTU for example) being bent out of shape and railing on the NCHC all the time, it's not because we are not in the conference as most people like to think. It is the fact that a few former WCHA teams panicked and made a knee jerk reaction out of fear of a Bi6 hockey super-conference. A conference that these teams thought was going to dominate all of college hockey as had never been seen before and the only way to beat them was to make another "super" conference. Why was no super conference needed to keep pace with the CCHA? They had Michigan, MSU and WMU for years and nobody did anything. I didn't see anyone at the WCHA freaking out that the CCHA was going to suddenly dominate the college hockey landscape.

Honestly, if a letter showed up on the Tech AD's desk tomorrow from the NCHC requesting that MTU apply to pair with Mankato, I would be one of the first writing a letter urging against joining for one simple reason: The NCHC was formed by a couple self-serving programs who didn't mind seeing everyone else twist in the wind if they get something better out of the deal for themselves. Let's just say ABC comes along tomorrow and offers UND and DU a million dollars each per season if they go independent and sign TV deals with ESPN. Do you think those two programs are going to give two $-h-!-t-s about the NCHC any more? No chance. They'll bolt to serve themselves and leave everyone in the NCHC hung out to dry once again.

You can tell me over and over again how great the NCHC is, but I have no interest in seeing Tech hockey be part of a conference where your fellow members will stab you in the back if it benefits them. They've shown their true colors to college hockey. A lot of programs got fooled once thinking everyone in the oWCHA was in it together. Only someone stupid gets fooled by the same routine twice. I hope for Mankato's sake they get into the NCHC, because if they have to come back to the WCHA it's going to be ugly for them going forward.

Ryan J
Its funny that you think St. Cloud should be embarrassed or ashamed about not being one of the first teams invited. We have made the NCAA's each year we have been in the NCHC. Finished 1st, 6th and 2nd. The year we finished 6th, we still managed to make the tournament and knocked off your bummy team that had spent all year padding their record against the chum in the WCHA. We are in the NCHC and doing well. We don't care if you don't like it and we don't care if the fans of the other teams in the conference don't like it. Staying in the WCHA would have done us no favors. We could have stuck around and kicked 6 different kinds of dog manure out of Tech, NMU and the Alaska schools but how has that worked out for Mankato? Oh, wait. They are trying to leave your sad-sack conference too.

I don't give a crap about NMU or MTU, and neither do any other SCSU fans. We don't want any schools to drop hockey but we also don't want our program to suffer for the sake of sticking around to try and rescue schools that don't seem to give much of a crap about their program. I don't give two tugs if we showed our "true colors". If our administration's "true colors" are to try and maximize the potential of our program for the benefit of the people that support it, GOOD!!! THAT IS THEIR ***** JOB!!!

MTU finally won a conference title for the first time since Gerald Ford was in office because we left the WCHA. Maybe NMU's garbage program can take advantage now that Mankato is leaving. Probably not. But take some ownership of your programs problems rather than laying the blame at the feet of other programs sick of being dragged down by teams that aren't competitive and can't even draw crowds at their own arenas.

dakotadan
07-21-2016, 05:57 PM
I'm absolutely fine with Minnesota State joining the NCHC... As long as they are replacing St Cloud.

davyd83
07-21-2016, 06:14 PM
Its funny that you think St. Cloud should be embarrassed or ashamed about not being one of the first teams invited. We have made the NCAA's each year we have been in the NCHC. Finished 1st, 6th and 2nd. The year we finished 6th, we still managed to make the tournament and knocked off your bummy team that had spent all year padding their record against the chum in the WCHA. We are in the NCHC and doing well. We don't care if you don't like it and we don't care if the fans of the other teams in the conference don't like it. Staying in the WCHA would have done us no favors. We could have stuck around and kicked 6 different kinds of dog manure out of Tech, NMU and the Alaska schools but how has that worked out for Mankato? Oh, wait. They are trying to leave your sad-sack conference too.

I don't give a crap about NMU or MTU, and neither do any other SCSU fans. We don't want any schools to drop hockey but we also don't want our program to suffer for the sake of sticking around to try and rescue schools that don't seem to give much of a crap about their program. I don't give two tugs if we showed our "true colors". If our administration's "true colors" are to try and maximize the potential of our program for the benefit of the people that support it, GOOD!!! THAT IS THEIR ***** JOB!!!

MTU finally won a conference title for the first time since Gerald Ford was in office because we left the WCHA. Maybe NMU's garbage program can take advantage now that Mankato is leaving. Probably not. But take some ownership of your programs problems rather than laying the blame at the feet of other programs sick of being dragged down by teams that aren't competitive and can't even draw crowds at their own arenas.
Check the results last time NMU was at St Cloud. NMU 6 St Cloud 2 and NMU 2-1. That clinching goal by Minnesotan Kyle Follmer looked great on ESPN that Friday night.